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#### Thebox

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##### Re: Space-Time
« Reply #25 on: 17/03/2015 22:14:17 »
Time does not exist and has no use, timing exists and has lots of uses.  What is time?  time is Universal timing.
You're wasting your time here with ideas like that. Not knowing what you're talking about means that you can't see how useless your ideas are. Physics can't even be done or talked about without the concept of time. Reading a few books for the laymen having never formally studied physics is a far cry from having sufficient education to understand why everything you posted in this forum is wrong, if not simply nonsense. I'm not trying to insult you mind you. I'm simply stating the facts.

Nice attempt at a flame but with no prevail.  I know very well what I am talking about.   I am simply stating your facts that show my ideas to be true.

#### Thebox

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« Reply #26 on: 17/03/2015 22:17:55 »
What is time?
The interval that lies between separate events.

I can watch someone fire a pistol and also observe the bullet hit the target. The intervening moments between both of these events can be measured. We give these moments a universal value called seconds, milliseconds, microseconds, nanoseconds, so and so forth. Time and these changing events give meaning to the word existence, without time or change, existence would be a meaningless word.

Consider the TIME you spent reading these words. Had nothing to do with distance did it? Time and distance are only related when determining rate or speed. Distance or measure of length has little to do with time unless we want to determine acceleration or velocity.

Of cause you can time the amount of timing a bullet takes to hit the target, whilst you are observing the target and the bullet you are observing your time of timing increment whilst observing.

The numerical value of a second you are using for timing is based on a distance like science have told me.

Neither the bullet or the target has any impact on your dependent time observing, wasting your time.

Arbitrary use and no more.

No insult to you, you do not have my wavelength of thought and the ability to think deeper than deep.

123456789  takes up a distance across your screen, but I am sitting still when I write 123456789 and there is no distance.

Although 123456789 travels a distance on the screen, relative to me it is not moving anywhere, 123456789 is the observation of my time writing this.

When you read this, you will use an amount of time relative to you reading this.

Your time, not my time, my time writing this ends when I press post.

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#### Thebox

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« Reply #27 on: 17/03/2015 22:38:19 »
A car travels at Velocity = 1 m/s away from me, at the 10 m mark I have sat their 10 seconds wasting my time observing the departure.

How many seconds does the car take to travel 10 m?

We can not say that in space 10 seconds has passed because if the car was travelling Velocity = 2 m/s ,

then 10 m of space would become 5 seconds.  In both instances 10 seconds and 5 seconds is relative only to me.
Where 10 seconds and 5 seconds was relative to the car.

In neither case is the car or me in a space-time, there is no value of time in just the space.

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#### Thebox

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« Reply #28 on: 17/03/2015 23:01:10 »
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Nice attempt at a flame but with no prevail.  I know very well what I am talking about.   I am simply stating your facts that show my ideas to be true.
This is one of your problems. You're taking criticism as insults. I never flamed you and have no wish to do so. I'm merely explaining to you why you're so wrong in all these claims of yours. And it's clear that you don't know what you're talking about. But your inability to see that is a combination of ignorance and arrogance and closed mindedness. It's why I have no wish to help you since its a futile effort since you can't learn. You simply claim that you're right and ignore what we're saying. That's not science at all. Then the second serious problem is the fact that you think you can prove your theories right by changing the definitions to everything. Its for all these reasons that you got onto the crackpot list.

Saying I do not know what I am talking about is trying to flame when it is more than obvious I know very well what I am talking about.
Do you not realise even the less capable person on the planet could think about time?
Do you not realise the same applies for most Physics?

What concept are you claiming I do not understand?

Light?

time?

Gravity?

Force?

Pressure?

Displacement?

space-time?

Einstein?

Newton?

Lavoisier?

Atoms?

Big bang?

I understand very well what I am talking about .   A Physicist on Naked science radio show was talking about light today, did you view this and listen?

We really do see in the back of our heads it is called the V1 I think he said.

Crack pots make stupid ideas such as giant lizards outside of our Universe.

I can think about any process suggested, I already have a few lightning ideas but will have to dig a bit deeper.

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#### Ethos_

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« Reply #29 on: 17/03/2015 23:30:55 »

Crack pots make stupid ideas such as giant lizards outside of our Universe.

One doesn't need to believe in giant lizards to be a crack-pot. All that's required is for them to ignore good science, and you my friend, are doing just that.

#### Thebox

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« Reply #30 on: 18/03/2015 10:21:21 »

Crack pots make stupid ideas such as giant lizards outside of our Universe.

One doesn't need to believe in giant lizards to be a crack-pot. All that's required is for them to ignore good science, and you my friend, are doing just that.

Vice versus I believe and you all ignoring your own science.

#### Thebox

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« Reply #31 on: 18/03/2015 10:25:00 »
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Neither the bullet or the target has any impact on your dependent time observing, wasting your time.
It's comments like this that made me say that you don't understand many of the concepts you've been talking about here. First of all this sentence is so unclear that it's almost gibberish. What in the world does "impact on your dependent time observing" have to do with anything? The role that time plays here is that it separates "fast" from "slow" and therefore from "high kinetic energy" from "low kinetic energy" respectively. These are important concepts in physics. The problem with claims like yours is that all you have to do is make a claim that time is useless and sit back and claim that every use we show you of it is useless. That's an opinion and not a fact. You haven't been talking about facts in this or any other thread but merely your opinions and those aren't worth the paper you wrote them on.

Another one of your problems is the level of arrogance that you've been demonstrating here. How dare you claim that
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No insult to you, you do not have my wavelength of thought and the ability to think deeper than deep.
People who make this claim, such as yourself, haven't actually done a lot of deep thinking. All they've done has to spent a lot of time doing so. Neither I nor anybody in this thread has seen any sign of your deep thinking.

I have presented facts, your facts, you are trying to get people to think I am crazy, my thoughts are better than your science, my thoughts are fact and not fantasy.

Paddy isnt it from the other forum?

I give you facts and does it look like I sit back?

You are wrong and not I. My logic is more solid than the flimpsy logic science presents.

You are deflecting away from the topic , starting to aim all your threads at me and offer no defence for science v my ideas.

I await your defence which I know you do not have, I know you do not have it because I have looked for a defence for science playing defence and attack.
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#### jeroen

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##### Re: Space-Time
« Reply #32 on: 18/03/2015 23:51:36 »
Hello i am back and i am starting to learn programing and did not finisch any edication So I am ad the wrong forum but i do have ideas about the universe and what Isee all around my the behaviour of all things the do akt alike and the are constant  I only like to think about these things when I am out of balance So sorry If I talkt down on you I will be Going now and not bother people like u here anymore i supose it is a wast of you time and opsetting anyone is surtenly not my intention just wanted to tell my tought and learn some but this is a good time for me so good luck and please do not quit sience it beutyfull I wiss all of you the best and hope live from earth will surfive longer than the planet oure solar system good luck with sience

#### Thebox

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« Reply #33 on: 22/03/2015 10:19:41 »
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I hope this answers you, I am giving up soon on science.
Don't give up. All you need to do is study harder. It takes an enormous amount of work/study to become a scientist and for a physicist that includes a ton of advanced mathematics. If you have a love of physics then I suggest that you really get into it. That means learning advanced math and studying real college level calculus based physics texts.

You will never be taken seriously to change something in physics if you don't have a good understanding of what it is that you propose to change. And talking down to us won't help either. Some of us have been physicists for decades. What ever gave you the idea that you're the only one who has challenged ideas in physics when in my experience that's part of learning the subject in the first place. We don't merely learn my memorizing but by challenging what is presented to us. We accept it temporarily when we are unable to break it. And that's true for all physicists.

Thank you for the kind words, yes in learning I question everything, my ideas came from this.  I have learnt some of the maths, I tried to learn more maths on my last forum, they banned me from learning and practising maths on there, they were not happy when I re-wrote some maths to show maths was an invention made to fit the process and the process comes first before the maths is made to fit the process.
I changed my mind because I've gotten to know you a bit more since I said that and from that I can see that you'll never be able to stop being arrogant which means that you'll never be able to learn since you think you know everything. You really should quit science.

What ever Dy....

#### Thebox

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« Reply #34 on: 24/03/2015 00:34:44 »
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What ever Dy....
Yep. That's the kind of attitude that makes everyone dislike you. That and your refusal to prove your claims.

Refusal to prove my claims?

I think all I have said is blatantly obvious and axioms.

Matter and time are woven into a single dependent manifold.

Your time is only relative to you, my time is independent of your time.  I occupy a different dimension of space.
My space-time is dependent on how long I live, my increment of existence is not in time with your time or occupying the same space.
Time is a multi-dimensional occupancy of space with no beginning and no end, an infiniteness dependent to an individual dimension of an existence in space.

#### Finding the Elephant

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« Reply #35 on: 24/03/2015 09:06:07 »
I make a proposal and theory that space-time is not independent of the observer or an object but instead dependent to the observer or object.
We do not observe the time of an object or observer travelling towards us or away from us, we observe our own dependent time viewing the object or observer.

Time dilation shows a dilation of dependent time of the observer or object and not a dilation of an independent time to the observer or object.
Hi - I don't see what the new part of this is. Can you elaborate?

#### Thebox

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« Reply #36 on: 24/03/2015 09:48:58 »
I make a proposal and theory that space-time is not independent of the observer or an object but instead dependent to the observer or object.
We do not observe the time of an object or observer travelling towards us or away from us, we observe our own dependent time viewing the object or observer.

Time dilation shows a dilation of dependent time of the observer or object and not a dilation of an independent time to the observer or object.
Hi - I don't see what the new part of this is. Can you elaborate?

Hi, in short it is saying we are not within a time and space, we are time in a space and without us or objects in a space time does not begin or end.

#### Ethos_

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« Reply #37 on: 02/04/2015 04:38:28 »

What ever Dy....
Typical response from Mr. Box of Rocks.

#### Thebox

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« Reply #38 on: 02/04/2015 12:02:32 »
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Refusal to prove my claims?
Yep. That's right sonny.

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I think all I have said is blatantly obvious and axioms.
Nothing you've ever said is blatantly obvious and the axioms are all total garbage. You simply aren't smart enough to understand it.

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Matter and time are woven into a single dependent manifold.
So what? Minkowski defined this as a spacetime manifold long before you were a gleam in your daddy's eye.

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Your time is only relative to you, my time is independent of your time.
What the hell are you saying "my time"/"your time". Define these terms clearly or don't use them. They don't belong in relativity, that's for sure. You might legitimately refer to the reading of a clock on a wall or your wristwatch but if so then you need to make that clear. But the two times certainly aren't independent (more nonsense coming from your ignorance) since they're related by a Lorentz transformation.

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I occupy a different dimension of space.
Wow!! That's a totally new level of rubbish. Every object in this universe occupies three dimensional space. No object occupies any other dimension of space, namely because there aren't any. Occupying a different dimension of space is just plain nonsense. However this is the kind of nonsense that we've all come to expect from you.

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My space-time is dependent on how long I live, ...
More rubbish. No object with a finite existence resides in a spacetime that exists only as long as the object does. Claiming otherwise is, once more, nonsense. If you knew relativity then you'd know that.

I can't believe the level of crap that you post in this forum while you believe that you know what you're talking about and that you've read the Feynman Lectures. You're just plain full of it.

Will you ever stop wasting space on this forum with the kind of things that I just explained is total garbage?

Well folks, I have to admit: I'm stumped. Question: Why on Earth do we still bother explaining to this total idiot how stupid he is and what total sheet his assertions are? I've never seen such stupid posts since I've been posting on the internet - all from a child who thinks that he's right and its the world that's wrong. Lol!

I thinkmy original assumpion that you are paddy or dy from the other forum is warranted.  I noticed the turn in attitude once my ideas were extracted from me again.

Ether way you obvious want to flame and try to get me banned yet again.   You are welcome to keep your science I am off and quiting because you are so insulting and I would love to meet you in real life.

Call me an idiot and get away with it over and over again to a situation where I hate you, you are a cyber bully .  A keyboard  warrior troll.   I am more IQ in my little toe than your entire body.

You deny science, and the fact that the keating experiment shows us time is dependent to the observer and independent to each others time,

CYa you fool

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« Reply #39 on: 02/04/2015 22:07:16 »

I am more IQ in my little toe than your entire body.

But of course,....... your IQ is so high that you can't even compose a grammatically correct sentence. "I am more IQ" explains it all doesn't it? I know 6 year olds that can communicate better than that!

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« Reply #40 on: 03/04/2015 10:59:44 »
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I thinkmy original assumpion that you are paddy or dy from the other forum is warranted.  I noticed the turn in attitude once my ideas were extracted from me again.
It's the obnoxious way that you treat others that gets you banned. Claiming that I'm stupid or that you have a high IQ is just plain dumb. Not one person on Earth would believe such crap coming from a deluded child such as yourself. We keep telling you that just because you type a string of words together and make it come out looking like a claim in no way makes it true whatsoever. You have never understood the concept of providing proof of anything. All you do is go around making grandiose claims, all of which we see right through as being so wrong that they're just plain crap.

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... I am off and quiting
Wonderful! Thanks!

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because you are so insulting and I would love to meet you in real life.
If I met you in real life I'd slap you silly you little punk.

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Call me an idiot and get away with it over and over again to a situation where I hate you, you are a cyber bully .
That's not what a cyberbully is, asshole. That's defined by the government as follows

http://www.stopbullying.gov/cyberbullying/
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Cyberbullying happens when kids bully each other through electronic technology.
I.e. its what happens when one kid bullies another kid. I'm no kid. In any case you're the one who starts all of this but you're too stupid to see it. You keep making claims of how much of a genius you are and how dumb everyone else is and you then think that everyone will accept that as true and worship you? Wow! Now that's what I call stupid.

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am more IQ in my little toe than your entire body.
Not from what we've seen. From everything we've seen its pretty clear that you have either an average or below average IQ. Mine, on the other hand, is about 130. That means that I'm more intelligent than 98% of the people on Earth and am eligible for membership in Mensa and the International High IQ Society. My level of intelligence is said to make me "gifted".

You, on the other hand, are an idiot. You can't even write a grammatically correct sentence. And you think that makes you a genius? ROTFLMOA!

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You deny science, ..
Nonsense. I've been a physicist for three times as long as you've been alive and I don't deny science. I only know that you're understanding of it is sh1t

How many times must I say it, stop expecting me to be a literate genius or a scientist who knows all the terms,

I am an amateur , you should expect this if you have any sort of logic.

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« Reply #41 on: 03/04/2015 14:39:33 »

I am an amateur , you should expect this if you have any sort of logic.
Seriously, what every physicist needs to expect from an amateur (interested in learning) is for that amateur to ask questions without turning the answer into an argument!

If you disagree with the answers garnered here, simply express your position of disagreement with the facts you have supporting that position. To date, none of your positions has been supported with any evidence. In fact, your explanations have been so difficult to logically understand that it has become impossible to even consider, with any clarity, those positions.

I personally believe you're not really interested in our answers and in the interest of tranquility and order, if you don't like the answers you're getting, quite asking for them. And if you truly think your answers are better, quite calling yourself an amateur.

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« Reply #42 on: 03/04/2015 15:52:56 »

I am an amateur , you should expect this if you have any sort of logic.
Seriously, what every physicist needs to expect from an amateur (interested in learning) is for that amateur to ask questions without turning the answer into an argument!

If you disagree with the answers garnered here, simply express your position of disagreement with the facts you have supporting that position. To date, none of your positions has been supported with any evidence. In fact, your explanations have been so difficult to logically understand that it has become impossible to even consider, with any clarity, those positions.

I personally believe you're not really interested in our answers and in the interest of tranquility and order, if you don't like the answers you're getting, quite asking for them. And if you truly think your answers are better, quite calling yourself an amateur.

My argument is that  this - ''In physics, space-time (also space–time, space time or space–time continuum) is any mathematical model that combines space and time into a single interwoven continuum.''

I do not agree with.  Arbitrary time is observed by matter and relative motion dependant to the object or observer, we do not observe a space-time, space allows, time-in-space.

Observe a new formed star, there is no time in that space until the star is born.  Space allows occupancy time of space.  The Keating experiment shows a dependent time dilation.

#### Thebox

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« Reply #43 on: 03/04/2015 16:07:21 »
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How many times must I say it, stop expecting me to be a literate genius or a scientist who knows all the terms,
Nobody, especially myself, has ever expected that from you. What we expect, actually what we demand is that you write sentences which make sense. The way you write the sentences are almost gibberish. I'm certainly not a literate genius and neither is anybody else here. But what we all have the ability to do is write sentences that everyone else can understand.

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I am an amateur , you should expect this if you have any sort of logic.
We all know that you're an amateur. That's why you shouldn't be trying to claim that everything you started a thread on in the "New Theories" forum is not wrong. Amateurs have no business creating new theories and redefining well-defined terms.

You cleverly avoid talking about the actual thread, you always try to add an insult, in this instant calling me a child.

Explain exactly what the Keating experiment observes?

Explain how the time being recorded is not dependent to each individual clock?

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« Reply #44 on: 03/04/2015 17:03:23 »

My argument is that  this - ''In physics, space-time (also space–time, space time or space–time continuum) is any mathematical model that combines space and time into a single interwoven continuum.''

I do not agree with.  Arbitrary time is observed by matter and relative motion dependant to the object or observer, we do not observe a space-time, space allows, time-in-space.

Your position is at odds with 99.9% of present cosmological theory. Look up Spacetime on Wikipedia and you'll find out  how wrong you are about this position. Continuing to suggest that we should see things your way will not be successful.

Time and space are not separate attributes of reality, they can only exist together as a single entity called space/time.

To continue harping about this will only show your ignorance. And I reiterate, the word ignorance only means a lack of knowledge. It isn't meant to signal insult or to be demeaning in any way.

#### Thebox

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« Reply #45 on: 04/04/2015 00:07:04 »

My argument is that  this - ''In physics, space-time (also space–time, space time or space–time continuum) is any mathematical model that combines space and time into a single interwoven continuum.''

I do not agree with.  Arbitrary time is observed by matter and relative motion dependant to the object or observer, we do not observe a space-time, space allows, time-in-space.

Your position is at odds with 99.9% of present cosmological theory. Look up Spacetime on Wikipedia and you'll find out  how wrong you are about this position. Continuing to suggest that we should see things your way will not be successful.

Time and space are not separate attributes of reality, they can only exist together as a single entity called space/time.

To continue harping about this will only show your ignorance. And I reiterate, the word ignorance only means a lack of knowledge. It isn't meant to signal insult or to be demeaning in any way.

Explain exactly what the Keating experiment observes?

Explain how the time being recorded is not dependent to each individual clock?

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« Reply #46 on: 04/04/2015 00:14:51 »
For something to have time, you have to be able to destroy it.

#### David Cooper

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« Reply #47 on: 04/04/2015 00:21:31 »
I'm looking forward to hearing the first cuckoo of spring.

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« Reply #48 on: 04/04/2015 01:16:08 »
I'm looking forward to hearing the first cuckoo of spring.
Maybe you missed him, try re-reading post#60.

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« Reply #49 on: 04/04/2015 01:28:23 »
It is really simple, try to destroy the space around you, ''punch the air'', burn it, explode  it, try anything you want, the space is infinite in existence, therefore can not be measured , no space time.

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