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### Author Topic: Can voltage differences be the cause of gravity and heat?  (Read 17859 times)

#### Thebox

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« Reply #25 on: 29/03/2015 14:53:19 »
Consider the Caesium atom and the effect of a ''time-dilation''  , this shows you the influence of loss to gravity of atoms, we are always at this loss, we base it has neutral not realising we are already at loss.

+1 moves a leaf, +2 moves a twigg, +100 blows over buildings, + 1 and air rises, -1 and water freezes.

I do understand it, a+b=ab   a field that both repels and attracts at the same time. I will use proper algebra if it helps.

a=electron

b=proton
None of this makes any sense "proper algebra" or not...

need to account for neutrons.

At least you recognize that neutrons don't fit into your theory.

This part -

Take a piece of metal and add energy, the atoms become excited and produce a polarization that then repels each other expanding the matter.

This works for all galaxies, expansion of the Universe and just about everything you can think of including air.

Polarization caused by emr

When you stop applying the energy , ''the thermodynamic intake'', the metal  then thermodynamically releases the energy contracting back to form when the excitement returns to an equilibium of the atoms polarity.

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##### Re: Energy question
« Reply #26 on: 29/03/2015 14:59:41 »
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Yes I can. Science literally says that black and white, is not black and white.
Let me guess. You actually believe merely because you can type the three words Yes I can. it means that it's true, is that right? Let me make this clear - It not only doesn't but we all know better in your case. That never happens here unless its absolutely true.

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What  am saying is sound logic, I may not have all the correct terms but the A+B=C explains it, an electron field and a proton filed , two fields with opposite effects that can polarize to create gravity an attractive force.
And well all know that to be 100% wrong. If it were right then your hair would stand on end due to you being in an electric field. In any case that would generate an electric field, not a gravitational one. If you knew physics you'd know how different they are and one cannot be confused with the other upon any observation.

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« Reply #27 on: 29/03/2015 15:02:26 »
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Yes I can. Science literally says that black and white, is not black and white.
Let me guess. You actually believe merely because you can type the three words Yes I can. it means that it's true, is that right? Let me make this clear - It not only doesn't but we all know better in your case. That never happens here unless its absolutely true.

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What  am saying is sound logic, I may not have all the correct terms but the A+B=C explains it, an electron field and a proton filed , two fields with opposite effects that can polarize to create gravity an attractive force.
And well all know that to be 100% wrong. If it were right then your hair would stand on end due to you being in an electric field. In any case that would generate an electric field, not a gravitational one. If you knew physics you'd know how different they are and one cannot be confused with the other upon any observation.

Emr in space has no net charge and is electrically neutral until coupled to an object where photon electrical effect occurs., we feel heat,

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« Reply #28 on: 29/03/2015 15:05:09 »
Huh? some of my post has vanished......

and thinking about hair on the neck or arms standing on end, try a cold breeze, and the positive of the hair attractive to the negative of the cold.

I and you remain in an equilibrium to the room.
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#### evan_au

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##### Re: Energy question
« Reply #29 on: 29/03/2015 21:04:54 »
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try a cold breeze, and the positive of the hair attractive to the negative of the cold.
It is true that static electricity (eg from a Van de Graaff generator) can make the hairs on your arm or your head stand up. But most of the time, humans are electrically neutral; the hairs on your arm lie flat, long hair hangs down due to gravity. (ie gravity is not due to electric charge.)

I think you are talking about goose bumps, which are an effect of tiny muscles in your skin, not static electricity. You can distinguish these by the tiny cones of muscle attached to each hair, working to make the hair stand up in cold weather.

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Look at ourselves, we contain electricity, but we contain also more negative than positive, hence attracted to the core [of the Earth] and the much more positive of the ground.
Electrical charges can attract or repel, depending on whether the charges are the same or different.

However, as far as we have been able to determine, gravity always attracts:
• We know this to be true for the people, rocks and oceans on Earth (all attracted towards the center of the Earth, and affected by tides from the Moon and the Sun).
• We believe this to be true of the inner core, the outer core and the mantle of the Earth, as we can see from earthquake waves traveling through denser material towards the center.
• We know this to be true for the planets of our Solar System (and the moons which circle them)
• We know that this is true for the stars in galaxies (but not exactly, which is why we need to include Dark Matter).
• We know that this is true for clusters of galaxies (but not exactly, which is why we need to include Dark Matter).
• Large volumes of rock like the Earth are electrically conductive, and so any voltages between the different layers of the Earth would have dissipated long ago (and continue to dissipate rapidly today, such as every time there is a lightning strike). So electrical attraction cannot be responsible for gravity on Earth.
• Large volumes of plasma like the Sun are very conductive, and so any static voltages between the different layers of the Sun would have dissipated long ago (there is some ongoing interaction between convection, magnetic and electric fields within the Sun, producing the ongoing sunspot cycle). So electrical attraction cannot be responsible for gravity of the Sun.
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« Reply #30 on: 30/03/2015 00:17:27 »
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try a cold breeze, and the positive of the hair attractive to the negative of the cold.
It is true that static electricity (eg from a Van de Graaff generator) can make the hairs on your arm or your head stand up. But most of the time, humans are electrically neutral; the hairs on your arm lie flat, long hair hangs down due to gravity. (ie gravity is not due to electric charge.)

I think you are talking about goose bumps, which are an effect of tiny muscles in your skin, not static electricity. You can distinguish these by the tiny cones of muscle attached to each hair, working to make the hair stand up in cold weather.

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Look at ourselves, we contain electricity, but we contain also more negative than positive, hence attracted to the core [of the Earth] and the much more positive of the ground.
Electrical charges can attract or repel, depending on whether the charges are the same or different.

However, as far as we have been able to determine, gravity always attracts:
• We know this to be true for the people, rocks and oceans on Earth (all attracted towards the center of the Earth, and affected by tides from the Moon and the Sun).
• We believe this to be true of the inner core, the outer core and the mantle of the Earth, as we can see from earthquake waves traveling through denser material towards the center.
• We know this to be true for the planets of our Solar System (and the moons which circle them)
• We know that this is true for the stars in galaxies (but not exactly, which is why we need to include Dark Matter).
• We know that this is true for clusters of galaxies (but not exactly, which is why we need to include Dark Matter).
• Large volumes of rock like the Earth are electrically conductive, and so any voltages between the different layers of the Earth would have dissipated long ago (and continue to dissipate rapidly today, such as every time there is a lightning strike). So electrical attraction cannot be responsible for gravity on Earth.
• Large volumes of plasma like the Sun are very conductive, and so any static voltages between the different layers of the Sun would have dissipated long ago (there is some ongoing interaction between convection, magnetic and electric fields within the Sun, producing the ongoing sunspot cycle). So electrical attraction cannot be responsible for gravity of the Sun.

You say gravity always attracts, hydrogen and helium is not attracted, air is dependent on energy for buoyancy.

If an electron and proton have an electrostatic coupling, and a proton is positive polarity and an electron is a negative polarity, surely the both together make a plus and negative polarity field?

''An interesting phenomenon applied in the field of instrumentation is the Seebeck effect, which is the production of a small voltage across the length of a wire due to a difference in temperature along that wire. This effect is most easily observed and applied with a junction of two dissimilar metals in contact, each metal producing a different Seebeck voltage along its length, which translates to a voltage between the two (unjoined) wire ends. Most any pair of dissimilar metals will produce a measurable voltage when their junction is heated, some combinations of metals producing more voltage per degree of temperature than others:

The Seebeck effect is fairly linear; that is, the voltage produced by a heated junction of two wires is directly proportional to the temperature. This means that the temperature of the metal wire junction can be determined by measuring the voltage produced. Thus, the Seebeck effect provides for us an electric method of temperature measurement.

When a pair of dissimilar metals are joined together for the purpose of measuring temperature, the device formed is called a thermocouple. Thermocouples made for instrumentation use metals of high purity for an accurate temperature/voltage relationship (as linear and as predictable as possible).

Seebeck voltages are quite small, in the tens of millivolts for most temperature ranges. This makes them somewhat difficult to measure accurately. Also, the fact that any junction between dissimilar metals will produce temperature-dependent voltage creates a problem when we try to connect the thermocouple to a voltmeter, completing a circuit:''

''where a temperature differential is experienced by the different conductors (or semiconductors). It produces a voltage when the temperature of one of the spots differs from the reference temperature at other parts of the circuit. ''

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermocouple
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« Reply #31 on: 30/03/2015 01:10:14 »

You say gravity always attracts, hydrogen and helium is not attracted, air is dependent on energy for buoyancy.

Hydrogen and helium ARE attracted by gravity. How else do stars or gas planets form? Hydrogen and helium are just less dense than air on our planet (mostly nitrogen, which is 14 times denser than hydrogen, and 7 times denser than helium).

Honestly if you can't understand the simple stuff (that is taught to children and teenagers in public school), you have no business trying to understand the Seebeck effect. I won't even waste my time trying to explain it to you.

If you are young and interested in this stuff, I recommend you put your ego aside and start reading up and learning (it may take several years to get an adequate basis in science, it is not the simplest subject). If you don't want to invest that kind of time and energy, I think you should find an easier hobby. (I'm sorry if this sounds mean, I'm not trying to embarrass or insult you)

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##### Re: Can voltage differences be the cause of gravity and heat?
« Reply #32 on: 30/03/2015 10:41:08 »
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a proton is positive polarity and an electron is a negative polarity, surely the both together make a plus and negative polarity field?
It has been demonstrated that (to a very great precision), the charge on the electron is equal to the charge on a proton (just with an opposite sign).

When they are joined together in a hydrogen atom, the electron encloses the proton, and their positive and negative charges cancel. The electric field pretty much cancels out beyond twice the radius of the atom.

There are some cases where a macroscopic electric field can be detected beyond the size of an individual atom:
• A wire moving through a magnetic field will produce a potential difference between the ends (this is how we generate most of our electricity). But the wire remains electrically neutral, overall.
• The energy of light causes solar cells generate an electric field across the junction of P and N semiconductors. But the solar cell remains electrically neutral, overall.
• Heat energy causes thermocouples generate an electric field across the junction of dissimilar metals (this is what is powering the Mars Curiosity rover). But the thermocouple remains electrically neutral, overall.
• The differing attraction of different metals for electrons is used to generate voltages in a chemical battery. But the battery remains electrically neutral, overall.
• Atoms (or molecules) bump into each other, disturbing this neutral electric field and producing the attraction of Van der Waals forces between the atoms. But the collection of atoms remains electrically neutral, overall.
• Some molecules (like water) attract electrons to one end more than another. This produces a molecule-sized dipole field, which shows itself in the relatively high melting point of water (despite it's low molecular weight). But the molecule is still electrically neutral.
• The Sun is a hot soup of protons and electrons. Rapidly-changing magnetic fields on the Sun can spray electrons and protons into space. But the Sun is electrically neutral, overall.
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##### Re: Can voltage differences be the cause of gravity and heat?
« Reply #33 on: 30/03/2015 14:13:44 »
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a proton is positive polarity and an electron is a negative polarity, surely the both together make a plus and negative polarity field?
It has been demonstrated that (to a very great precision), the charge on the electron is equal to the charge on a proton (just with an opposite sign).

When they are joined together in a hydrogen atom, the electron encloses the proton, and their positive and negative charges cancel. The electric field pretty much cancels out beyond twice the radius of the atom.

There are some cases where a macroscopic electric field can be detected beyond the size of an individual atom:
• A wire moving through a magnetic field will produce a potential difference between the ends (this is how we generate most of our electricity). But the wire remains electrically neutral, overall.
• The energy of light causes solar cells generate an electric field across the junction of P and N semiconductors. But the solar cell remains electrically neutral, overall.
• Heat energy causes thermocouples generate an electric field across the junction of dissimilar metals (this is what is powering the Mars Curiosity rover). But the thermocouple remains electrically neutral, overall.
• The differing attraction of different metals for electrons is used to generate voltages in a chemical battery. But the battery remains electrically neutral, overall.
• Atoms (or molecules) bump into each other, disturbing this neutral electric field and producing the attraction of Van der Waals forces between the atoms. But the collection of atoms remains electrically neutral, overall.
• Some molecules (like water) attract electrons to one end more than another. This produces a molecule-sized dipole field, which shows itself in the relatively high melting point of water (despite it's low molecular weight). But the molecule is still electrically neutral.
• The Sun is a hot soup of protons and electrons. Rapidly-changing magnetic fields on the Sun can spray electrons and protons into space. But the Sun is electrically neutral, overall.

When you say neutral, do you mean an equilibrium of state?

When atoms excite do they not produce kinetic action , that creates heat and a voltage?

When metal expands , is that not atoms having the same polarity and repelling each other by the same ''voltage polarity''?

When the metal contracts it  returns to a neutral?

What polarity is Helium and Hydrogen?

Air , when it becomes ''charged'' , and rises , is this not a polarity shift by the atoms becoming excited?

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##### Re: Energy question
« Reply #34 on: 30/03/2015 14:28:59 »
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If an electron and proton have an electrostatic coupling, and a proton is positive polarity and an electron is a negative polarity, surely the both together make a plus and negative polarity field?
Absolutely not. You're thinking in terms of classical mechanics where a point charge has a specific position at each momentum of time. If that were true on the subatomic scale then the atom couldn't exist. It would collapse in a blink of the eye. It was for this and other reasons that quantum mechanics was created. It's know known that the best way to think of the electron moving about the proton is as a electron "cloud." While this can't be taken as literally true it forms a good image in the mind to explain why there is no dipole field around an isolated hydrogen atom.  In the ground state the electron cloud has a spherically symmetric distribution.

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« Reply #35 on: 30/03/2015 15:02:59 »
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If an electron and proton have an electrostatic coupling, and a proton is positive polarity and an electron is a negative polarity, surely the both together make a plus and negative polarity field?
Absolutely not. You're thinking in terms of classical mechanics where a point charge has a specific position at each momentum of time. If that were true on the subatomic scale then the atom couldn't exist. It would collapse in a blink of the eye. It was for this and other reasons that quantum mechanics was created. It's know known that the best way to think of the electron moving about the proton is as a electron "cloud." While this can't be taken as literally true it forms a good image in the mind to explain why there is no dipole field around an isolated hydrogen atom.  In the ground state the electron cloud has a spherically symmetric distribution.

I understand about the electron shell, and to visualise this, not much dissimilar to visualising the Earth's magnetic sphere which is also electrons?

I am thinking about it myself and not thinking about how we are taught to think about it.

A proton will repel another proton by polarity ?   to show this I will use less than and more than tags to represent direction and I will label protons has (P).

(p)<>(p)

A proton attracts an electron by being an opposite polarity, we shall label electron (e) and show direction.

(e)><(p)

So (e)+(p)=(ep)?

is that correct ?

Two atoms = (ep²)?

How do you know that the proton does not emit the electron shell? and the electron shell is a voltage field?  that would also explain has someone else suggested why the electron does not collapse into the proton.

Faraday's work and the invisible field around an electrical wire.

Maybe your dark matter is what holds the atoms together?

Atoms are a black body?

Could an atom be just a individual proton particle.  that is a neutral, except by Electromagnetic radiation intake, it emits an isotropic electrical field, and repels all other protons, except there is this dark matter ''glue'' that is a negative that holds the atoms together?

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##### Re: Can voltage differences be the cause of gravity and heat?
« Reply #36 on: 06/04/2015 16:15:31 »

I understand about the electron shell, and to visualise this, not much dissimilar to visualising the Earth's magnetic sphere which is also electrons?
Not at all. The magnetosphere is a magnetic field that happens to trap all sorts of charged particles, but it would exist (as with any other magnetic field) in the absence of those particles too.

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I am thinking about it myself and not thinking about how we are taught to think about it.

A proton will repel another proton by polarity ?   to show this I will use less than and more than tags to represent direction and I will label protons has (P).

(p)<>(p)

A proton attracts an electron by being an opposite polarity, we shall label electron (e) and show direction.

(e)><(p)
So far, so good.

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So (e)+(p)=(ep)?

is that correct ?

Two atoms = (ep²)?
What on earth or anywhere) does this mean or represent?

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How do you know that the proton does not emit the electron shell?
The "shell" is a mathematical description of the phenomena of chemistry. A proton knows nothing of mathematics or chemistry.
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and the electron shell is a voltage field?
there is no such thing
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that would also explain has someone else suggested why the electron does not collapse into the proton.

Faraday's work and the invisible field around an electrical wire.
That's a magnetic field, nothing to do with electrostatics

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Maybe your dark matter is what holds the atoms together?

Atoms are a black body?

no

no

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Could an atom be just a individual proton particle.

no, by defintion

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that is a neutral, except by Electromagnetic radiation intake, it emits an isotropic electrical field, and repels all other protons, except there is this dark matter ''glue'' that is a negative that holds the atoms together?

Simply putting scientific terms into a sentence does not generate meaning.

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##### Re: Can voltage differences be the cause of gravity and heat?
« Reply #37 on: 06/04/2015 23:54:06 »

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So (e)+(p)=(ep)?

is that correct ?

Two atoms = (ep²)?

What on earth or anywhere) does this mean or represent?

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electron + proton = electron proton,    2*electron proton = twice the radius of electron proton field

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Could an atom be just a individual proton particle.

no, by defintion

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by who's definition ?  you can not directly observe an atom, so it can not be fact

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I understand about the electron shell, and to visualise this, not much dissimilar to visualising the Earth's magnetic sphere which is also electrons?

Not at all. The magnetosphere is a magnetic field that happens to trap all sorts of charged particles, but it would exist (as with any other magnetic field) in the absence of

those particles too.

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magnetic fields are electrons though?
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##### Re: Can voltage differences be the cause of gravity and heat?
« Reply #38 on: 07/04/2015 00:53:49 »
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electron + proton = electron proton,    2*electron proton = twice the radius of electron proton field

this is another meaningless collection of words.

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by who's definition ?  you can not directly observe an atom, so it can not be fact

by everyone's definition. An atom is an electrically neutral assembly of equal numbers of protons and electrons plus a few neutrons.

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magnetic fields are electrons though?

no

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##### Re: Can voltage differences be the cause of gravity and heat?
« Reply #39 on: 07/04/2015 01:17:45 »

by everyone's definition. An atom is an electrically neutral assembly of equal numbers of protons and electrons plus a few neutrons.

I am not following your meaning. everyone's definition, how can something be defined if it is to small to observe?

I would not define an atom to be made up of components, what evidence is there to show this?

Are you certain it is not just presumption?

All the time I have been on the internet and science, I have seen no real evidence to support the atomic model, I do not believe there is evidence?

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##### Re: Can voltage differences be the cause of gravity and heat?
« Reply #40 on: 07/04/2015 03:09:34 »

by everyone's definition. An atom is an electrically neutral assembly of equal numbers of protons and electrons plus a few neutrons.

I am not following your meaning. everyone's definition, how can something be defined if it is to small to observe?

I would not define an atom to be made up of components, what evidence is there to show this?

Are you certain it is not just presumption?

All the time I have been on the internet and science, I have seen no real evidence to support the atomic model, I do not believe there is evidence?

There is LOTS of evidence of atomic structure. You are either looking in the wrong places or too ignorant to understand the evidence.

Just because something is so small that it cannot be seen directly using visible light does not mean there is no way to get information about it.

X-ray, ultraviolet and visible light (all EM, for the record) spectroscopy reveals the electronic structures of atoms and molecules.

Nucleus, proton, neutron and muon bombardment reveals nuclear structure. (for example, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geiger%E2%80%93Marsden_experiment)

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##### Re: Can voltage differences be the cause of gravity and heat?
« Reply #41 on: 07/04/2015 10:30:16 »

I am not following your meaning. everyone's definition, how can something be defined if it is to small to observe?
You can define anything you like, whether it's observable or not. The important thing in human communication is that everyone should use the same definition.

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I would not define an atom to be made up of components, what evidence is there to show this?
Only boring sh1t like chemistry and physics. You are clearly above such mundane considerations as experimental science.

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Are you certain it is not just presumption?
In science, a presumption that works is called a hypothesis, and an explanatory,  predictive hypothesis that always works is called scientific knowledge.

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All the time I have been on the internet and science, I have seen no real evidence to support the atomic model, I do not believe there is evidence?

Belief is irrelevant to science. Predictive hypotheses and precise, consistent use of language are the essence of understanding. You might find the work of Eugen Goldstein, J J Thompson, Ernest Rutherford and Henry Chadwick of interest: their experiments were remarkably simple and can be replicated on the kitchen table nowadays.
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##### Re: Can voltage differences be the cause of gravity and heat?
« Reply #42 on: 08/04/2015 12:52:21 »

by everyone's definition. An atom is an electrically neutral assembly of equal numbers of protons and electrons plus a few neutrons.

I am not following your meaning. everyone's definition, how can something be defined if it is to small to observe?

I would not define an atom to be made up of components, what evidence is there to show this?

Are you certain it is not just presumption?

All the time I have been on the internet and science, I have seen no real evidence to support the atomic model, I do not believe there is evidence?

There is LOTS of evidence of atomic structure. You are either looking in the wrong places or too ignorant to understand the evidence.

Just because something is so small that it cannot be seen directly using visible light does not mean there is no way to get information about it.

X-ray, ultraviolet and visible light (all EM, for the record) spectroscopy reveals the electronic structures of atoms and molecules.

Nucleus, proton, neutron and muon bombardment reveals nuclear structure. (for example, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geiger%E2%80%93Marsden_experiment)

Thank you for the link, however that is still not evidence that an atom is how it said to be, how do you know the surface of metal and the particles within are not transmitting electrons  rather than attachment of electrons which it would give the exact same observation,  same thing?

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##### Re: Can voltage differences be the cause of gravity and heat?
« Reply #43 on: 08/04/2015 18:11:46 »

I am not following your meaning. everyone's definition, how can something be defined if it is to small to observe?

Not so Mr. Box, check out the following link. Scientists have been taking photos of atomic structure for some time now.

http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/05/28/amazing-first-ever-photograph-inside-hydrogen-atom/

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##### Re: Can voltage differences be the cause of gravity and heat?
« Reply #44 on: 08/04/2015 22:04:06 »
THEBOX Why on earth are you attempting to discuss the atom? You make no sense. I used to read a lot on organic chemistry years ago and about molecular bonding and the types of those bonds. I have forgotten most of that it is so long ago and yet I still know you are talking nonsense. I look at some of the mathematics involved in particle physics and it would be like climbing a mountain to gain a good understanding of it. Yet here you are attempting to argue with professionals. I offered you some sensible advice a while back which you obviously either didn't bother to read or ignored outright.

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##### Re: Can voltage differences be the cause of gravity and heat?
« Reply #45 on: 09/04/2015 00:07:21 »

I am not following your meaning. everyone's definition, how can something be defined if it is to small to observe?

Not so Mr. Box, check out the following link. Scientists have been taking photos of atomic structure for some time now.

http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/05/28/amazing-first-ever-photograph-inside-hydrogen-atom/

A tv station link , hardly scientific , but in the instant of the photo being correct. that does still not show that the electron shell is not emitted isotropic from the center of the picture, hmmm,

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##### Re: Can voltage differences be the cause of gravity and heat?
« Reply #46 on: 09/04/2015 00:30:03 »
Never mind what doesn't show
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the electron shell is not emitted isotropic from the center of the picture
: what does show it? Where is the experimental evidence for whatever phenomenal insight you are trying to share with the world? If you show us, perhaps some kind soul will be able to put it into words that humans understand.

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« Reply #47 on: 09/04/2015 00:37:08 »
Never mind what doesn't show
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the electron shell is not emitted isotropic from the center of the picture
: what does show it? Where is the experimental evidence for whatever phenomenal insight you are trying to share with the world? If you show us, perhaps some kind soul will be able to put it into words that humans understand.

The very picture provided in the link and the science experiments of bombarding metal with electrons , this does not really show an electron to exist in its own right, in the picture I see a center mass emitting a field, and not an electron attached to a proton.

I will have a think about how to show it even though I think you already show it and it is down to a perception fault.

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##### Re: Can voltage differences be the cause of gravity and heat?
« Reply #48 on: 10/04/2015 21:18:51 »
The satisfying aspect of quantum orbitals is that you can predict the shape of a molecule and how it will pack into a crystal. Then you can look at the x-ray diffraction pattern and, as if by magic, it turns out that you were right!

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##### Re: Can voltage differences be the cause of gravity and heat?
« Reply #49 on: 11/04/2015 12:33:02 »
The satisfying aspect of quantum orbitals is that you can predict the shape of a molecule and how it will pack into a crystal. Then you can look at the x-ray diffraction pattern and, as if by magic, it turns out that you were right!

I still can not see any evidence that suggests that the electron is a singular something in its own right? I consider that an electron is a product of process and not an individual particle as suggested.

In consideration of voltage the sun and the earths core must produce a positive voltage output and solids absorb this output?

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##### Re: Can voltage differences be the cause of gravity and heat?
« Reply #49 on: 11/04/2015 12:33:02 »