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Re: Worlds largest snake
« Reply #25 on: 01/03/2005 13:45:15 »
Hey peeps, I'm new here. I have just inhereted 2 Burms(Burmese Pythons), a mated pair that will lay eggs soon. At 4 years old they both are 11' long and weigh in close to 80 pounds. On average they will reach close to 20' and live to 25-30 years in captivity.
If anyone here is interested in obtaining a hatchling let me know.
 

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« Reply #26 on: 25/03/2005 16:30:51 »
today i saw anaconda  was the largest snake I had ever seen  estimated  to be around 55 ft. long in length and had to weigh around 997 pounds. I tried to kill with my knife but missed while throwing it. little brother ran and told people from the village but when arrived it was late and the anaconda had already made it down the river.
 

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« Reply #27 on: 26/03/2005 08:38:13 »
oh my god.  alex, you need to never give anybody advice about snakes again.  how big they get depends on how much they eat,not how big their enclosure is.  each specimen of any particular species has the propensity to reach its maximum size.  food availability, heat, water, and all sorts of environmental factors affect growth rate, and since a snake grows its entire life.  while the longest recorded reticulated python is 33 feet, the -average- retic adult is 17 or 18 feet.  

as for ease of care, a snake is about the easiest to care for pet you could name.  keep it warm, give if food and water.  pick up poop once in a while.
 

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Re: Worlds largest snake
« Reply #28 on: 28/04/2005 22:10:30 »
I think you are wrong there because the growth of the snake has a lot to do with it's surroundings. A snake will not grow too big if it is only in a small place. It also must grow big if it has a lot of territory to protect.[^]

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« Reply #29 on: 29/06/2005 17:38:02 »
I registered here just to post a reply to this:

As a reptile hobbyist, and one that has been in the game since I was 6, I feel obligated to tell you that some of the info in this thread is absolutely incorrect. Number one...NO, a snake will not grow depending on how big its enclosure is. How do I know? My dad's friend used to have a snake...it was a reticulated python, but like most pet stores tend to do, the one he bought it from told him the myth that it will only grow as big as the cage. So he only bought a very small cage...maybe a 10 gallon. I'm not entirely sure as it was a long time ago. Anyways, the snake continued to grow despite its very meager surroundings, and got to the point where it basically just didn't fit anymore, or at least could not live to be healthy in those surroundings. As for a snake growing larger when given more space. Also not true. Actually, if given too much space with not enough areas taken up by hiding spaces and such, the snake will become very stressed and usually unwilling to eat.

To understand how a snake grows, you have to understand how it works. It takes in food in the form of an entire animal (in captivity this is usualy a mouse, rat, rabbit, guinea pig...sometimes keepers of large snakes use small livestock like baby pigs). This serves as a perfectly balanced diet for the snake. Apply heat, and this gives the cold-blooded creature the energy it needs to digest the food, which allows it to grow (through processes I'm sure you already understand). A snake will only grow to a certain size though, just like a person will only grow to a certain size...it's genetics. Growth can be stunted though by poor husbandry.

Also, though snake species have their maximum lengths (burmese=25', anaconda=25...maybe 30', reticulated python=33'), you have to understand that getting a snake that size is a lot like getting a person that's over 8' tall. It only happens every now and the, and most specimens are actually considerably smaller, with burmese pythons usually topping out at around 15', anacondas roughly the same, and reticulated pythons only slightly longer. Most of the stories of huge snakes are just myths. Looking at the picture of the 'giant snake' taken by the guy in the helicopter, as well as his reports, prove it to be fake. The snake in the picture could be actually be a very small snake that was photographed close up...there are not enough details in the picture to prove what type of snake it was or where it was. Also, he reported that the snake's head was 3' wide, and that it tried to attack the helicopter. Number one, in order for the snake's head to be 3' wide and still proportioned to the body, it would have to be over 100' long, and surely it was not. Number two, a helicopter would scare the crap out of any snake, regardless of size, and their natural instincts to flee and hide would take over. Snakes do not randomly attack.
 

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Re: Worlds largest snake
« Reply #30 on: 30/06/2005 07:01:07 »
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Snakes do not randomly attack

Tell that to black mambas!
 

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Re: Worlds largest snake
« Reply #31 on: 07/09/2005 14:54:08 »
hey mase how much for a baby snake[?]

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Re: Worlds largest snake
« Reply #32 on: 07/09/2005 22:33:36 »
I am consistently amazed at the amount and degree of disinformation available on the internet.  But to see such HUGE misunderstandings of basic animal life, on a forum that includes "science" in its name, befuddles me, to say the least!

Thank you to the two of you who placed pearls of truth, into this thread.

sprite190582 - Alex - "a topic you know something about"?!?!?!?!?!  [V]  PLEASE, NEVER give advice about snake keeping again.  It saddens me deeply that there are serpents in your care.  Luckily, you own two of the most forgiving species that exist!  "It will only grow to the size of the cage" is a pet store tactic to sell beautiful baby pythons.  I had thought that it was almost entirely gone, but here it is again, rearing its ugly head.

I keep Burmese pythons, and breed Bismarck Ringed pythons.  I also own a small business, making custom snake handling equipment.  In my down time, I moderate two of the most respected on-line forums, for reptile owners.  I feel no where near being an expert.

One of the biggest problems is that people are thinking about "snake" instead of specific breeds.  No one would ever say, "If you give your Yorkshire terrier a big enough yard, it could get just as big as that Mastiff."  Dogs are more protective, of their territory, than almost any animal on earth, why don't they grow to fill their space?  Because it is a silly idea.  The Wildlife Conservation Society has had a reward, open for the taking, for about a hundred years now, for any snake, 30 ft or longer.  The prize is $50,000.00, and has never been claimed.  

There are five "giant" breeds of snakes.  The common, herpetological definition of a giant breed is that, other than defective examples, every single adult, of the breed, will be over 8 ft long.  These are:
Reticulated python: males average 11 - 16 ft, females average 15 - 21 ft
Burmese pythons: males average 9 - 14 ft, females average 13 - 18 ft
Indian pythons: closely related to Burmese, a hair smaller, on average
African Rock python: males average 9 - 13 ft, females average 12 - 17 ft
Green Anacondas: males average 8 - 12 ft, females average 9 - 14 ft

Some include the Amethystine, or Australian Scrub python. It does have an average length in this range, but there are many males that are less than 8 ft, and their slender bodies cause many to not see it as a true giant.  

Anacondas are boas.  Because boas bear live young, the females do not need to be so much bigger than the males.  Some would put anacondas higher on the list, because they are the largest, by girth.  Also because there are more myths and legends about anacondas than almost any breed of snake.

It must also be remembered that there can be freakishly large examples of any animal.  The average is what should be considered.  It is also hard to picture what a 30 foot snake would actually look like.  I have only had personal contact with a couple animals over 20 ft and it is un-imaginable how big they really are.  Since most people have never had contact with any snake over a few feet long, numbers get exaggerated, all the time.  For example, the picture below is of a female "Tiger" Reticulated python.  The animal was produced by, and is owned by Bob Clark, the worlds foremost expert in the captive breeding of pythons, and was photographed by Steve Gooch:



This snake weighs in at over 260lbs and is a HUGE snake.  Most people, in the world, would never see a snake this large.  If they did, if it did not have people holding it, (for size reference, and because of the lessened fear factor) you can easily see reports of a 40 ft snake.  However, this animal is just barely over 20 ft!!!  - Brian


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Re: Worlds largest snake
« Reply #33 on: 07/09/2005 23:15:24 »
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Originally posted by chris
How rapidly do snakes grow ? How long would the 22 foot specimen take to reach 32 feet if returned to the wild ? Does anyone know ?


Snakes complete the bulk of their growth in the first few years of life.  The growth rate during this period depends on the amount of food they receive and the rate at which it is offered.  For instance, a captive reticulated python can attain lengths of 10+ feet in the first year of life, while it might take a wild animal four years to reach the same size.  The growth rate does not change the eventual size capability of the animal.

Any record length snake will, most likely, be a captive animal, from now on.  With the extreme success and explosive growth of the captive husbandry hobby, herpetoculture, many of these giants are living longer, MUCH healthier lives in human homes, than they ever would in the wild.  - Brian


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Re: Worlds largest snake
« Reply #34 on: 07/09/2005 23:18:37 »
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Originally posted by simeonie

I think you are wrong there because the growth of the snake has a lot to do with it's surroundings. A snake will not grow too big if it is only in a small place. It also must grow big if it has a lot of territory to protect.[^]


Again, downright silly.  - Brian


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Re: Worlds largest snake
« Reply #35 on: 07/09/2005 23:25:02 »
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Originally posted by DoctorBeaver

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Snakes do not randomly attack

Tell that to black mambas!


You can tell black mambas anything you like.  If you tell them up-close, it will scare them, and they will strike.  If you leave it alone, it will not.  There is not a single species of snake, or any healthy animal, for that matter, that will attack just for fun.  There is always fear or food invloved.  (Humans somehow missed this rule)  - Brian


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Re: Worlds largest snake
« Reply #36 on: 07/10/2005 00:16:44 »
"There is not a single species of snake, or any healthy animal, for that matter, that will attack just for fun."

I have to take issue with you on this one, I lived in Africa in my formative youth, and have seen some really large pythons there some going on 30 feet, anyway of the two Mambas the green is probably the more deadly, however the Black is mostly a ground based snake, and is quite agressive also being the fastest moving snake, something like 12 Mph.
In London 1978 I saw a Black Mamba the Zoo had, it was from memory 14-16 foot long and was probably the biggest Mamba I ever saw
In India they have the Hamadryad? a cobra that attacks on sight, but here in Australia there are also some big pythons 20 feet is big here but they are tree climbers, but we have these Brown snakes called a false cobra, they in mating time are known to be agressive.
Hey this year alone I have had 3 pythons in my garden, one being about 8 foot long.
I like them but my Fox terriers do not!
 

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Re: Worlds largest snake
« Reply #37 on: 07/10/2005 00:41:21 »
TO Albert Tools

Dolphins around the UK and US have been filmed hunting down, attacking and killing smaller smaller dolphins and porpoise’s for no reason other than the fun. Marine and dolphin experts were so shocked with their findings that at first they refused to believe it, it was only when they captured it on film a few times that they came to terms with the fact that the one creature that everyone loves to love could actively hunt down and kill a fellow member of it's species and kill it just for the thrill of the chase.

Chimpanzees have also been filmed going out on hunts explicitly to kill other male chimpanzees, before they go on their hunts all the males join together and hype each other up in some kind of ritual. The reason for MURDERING   other chimps is believed to be no more than a bonding exercise.

So we're not the only species that kills just for entertainment.


Michael                                      
« Last Edit: 07/10/2005 02:32:21 by ukmicky »
 

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« Reply #38 on: 09/10/2005 18:26:46 »
The largest snake ever captured was a Reticulated Python that measured 32 feet 9.5 inches in length.
The heaviest snake ever recorded was an Anaconda shot in Brazil in 1960.  This snake was never officially weighed, but at 27 feet 9 inches long with a 44 inch girth it was estimated to weigh over 500 lbs.  [8]
 

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Re: Worlds largest snake
« Reply #39 on: 04/12/2005 03:21:22 »

awesome

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« Reply #40 on: 04/12/2005 10:48:42 »
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You can tell black mambas anything you like. If you tell them up-close, it will scare them, and they will strike. If you leave it alone, it will not. There is not a single species of snake, or any healthy animal, for that matter, that will attack just for fun. There is always fear or food invloved. (Humans somehow missed this rule)


That's not strictly true. A female black mamba that has just laid eggs will attack anyone who gets too close & often chases them. Don't tell me this doesn't happen because I've actually seen it.
I've seen quite a few blacks mambas in the wild. I even had 1 cruise across my lawn. I wouldn't like to estimate its length, but it was holding its head a good 3' off the ground at 1 point.

AlphBravo - as for green mambas being more deadly... no. You can climb trees full of greens, even putting your hands on them as you climb, & they won't bite. They are among the most passive snakes in Africa.
Are you, maybe, confusing green mambas with the green tree snake? That is a totally different species - very aggressive and highly venomous.

Finally, I can tell you that being bitten by a rhinoceros viper damned well hurts! That was my own fault, though, & I in no way blame the snake. I still have the fang marks on my arm.
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« Reply #41 on: 04/12/2005 10:50:43 »
I really hate to quibble, but domestic cats kill for fun & my Jack Russell often attacks my toes just for a lark! :D
« Last Edit: 04/12/2005 11:02:45 by DoctorBeaver »
 

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« Reply #42 on: 09/12/2005 00:00:50 »
" They are among the most passive snakes in Africa.
Are you, maybe, confusing green mambas with the green tree snake? That is a totally different species - very aggressive and highly venomous."

The Boomslang you mean quite quick a back fang model?
I remember a green Mamba in the living room once in my early youth it was up on the curtain pelmet and there were these little china figurines on it anyway it only knocked one off, but everybody was very excited by it being in the house, don't know about passive though.


Finally, I can tell you that being bitten by a rhinoceros viper damned well hurts! That was my own fault, though, & I in no way blame the snake. I still have the fang marks on my arm."

Nasty looking snakes, those vipers and adders very primordial, their fangs are something to behold, (never been bit though, touch wood)and they can strike quickly, for all that bulk.
I recently encountered for the first time recently near Sydney the diamond python, there were 3 of them, apparently some odd mating ritual thing, but one was about half the size of the other two!
never seen that before.

 

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« Reply #43 on: 09/12/2005 18:47:26 »
Alpha - yes, the boomslang. Funny looking little buggers. I have known them to be confused with green mambas.

Certainly the green mambas in Uganda are passive. Kids handle them with no trouble.
 

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« Reply #44 on: 09/01/2006 23:17:11 »
hi everyone,   firstly im guessing alot of you have none or maybe only i little knowledge about reptiles, because there seems to be alot of B/S flying around here !   60foot snakes etc !!    the large snake found in indonesia was first measured with a piece of string by a group of villagers that are not exactly numerate!  plus when you consider snakes can constrict & expand their muscles, so a captured snake (in fear of its life) is going to struggle a bit ! no wonder it wasnt accurate !  i have certainly found with alot of snakes (not just the large ones) if they want to warm up they expand their muscles, thus making a larger area to trap the sun, also a snakes length can vary from day to day, i presume according to temp/humidity etc,     with regards to someone saying that a snake wouldnt attack without a reason, could be true, unless you can speak fluent snake i spose, it must be attacking you for some reason,   black mambas will turn around and chase you for what appears to be no good reason !  or for what you may think is no good reason, but im sure the mamba has one !  even if it is just for fun.  you cant really include mammals in this  because they are totally different to reptiles  when behavour is concerned.  Alot of people seem to be confusing the HEAVEST (reputed to be the anaconda) snake in the world to the LARGEST (or longest reputed to be the reticulated) snake in the world,  its like saying the goliath tarantula is the biggest spider on record, when infact it isnt, its the biggest in bulk size & weight !  some of the australian huntsman spiders grow larger than the goliath! but only weigh a fraction of the goliaths weight !
It is a true fact that snakes kept in captivity will usually grow larger that their wild relatives, also the size can be regulated in captivity, if you had a corn snake & only ever fed it baby mice, i doubt the snake would grow larger than 24" (this is being proved with reticulated pythons like   jampea dwarf retics)  a snake which has been isolated on an island for thousands of years with only a certain size prey available to eat ! resulting in an undersized snake, if you take one of thease so called dwarf varaties and start feeding them larger prey....the result ...they grow bigger that their cosins in the wild !   also.....snakes, if being fed the correct size food, WILL NOT grow according to their surroundings, they can and will outgrow them, this is a reptile, not a fish which emits chemicals when urinating to control population levels.  
And im sorry Alph but just because youve lived in a certian contry for a certian time, doesnt mean your an expert on the wildlife there !  
As for simeonie, you are very wrong and need to refresh your knowledge on reptiles, i just hope you dont keep any now !  i know i love to shove you in a kitchen cupboard to to just see if you shrink !      take care peps xx  marc[xx(]
 

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« Reply #45 on: 06/03/2006 12:10:16 »
I never claimed expert status just "observation", ever notice folk who live in an area are mostly only cognizant with the local varities?
 

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Re: Worlds largest snake
« Reply #46 on: 27/05/2006 21:54:00 »
I love snakes, i was going to get one as a pet, but wifey said no. :(

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« Reply #47 on: 28/05/2006 01:42:50 »
just get one anyway.
 

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« Reply #48 on: 28/05/2006 01:53:02 »
gecko

I thankyou for your support.

However i take it from your advice that your not married otherwise you wouldnt be advising me to chose the route to my demise.

Michael
 

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Re: Worlds largest snake
« Reply #49 on: 28/05/2006 15:21:49 »
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gecko

I thankyou for your support.

However i take it from your advice that your not married otherwise you wouldnt be advising me to chose the route to my demise.

Michael



Which is more deadly then any venomous snake on earth!  You are very smart and I would call you a wife expert...:D

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