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Are you an atheist?

Yes!
7 (70%)
No!
3 (30%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: 19/04/2015 10:03:53

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« Reply #25 on: 20/04/2015 18:15:57 »
Oh my god! That biography of yours! You mate, have a lot of humor!
 

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« Reply #26 on: 20/04/2015 19:32:12 »
I'll try to explain: If I wear an 'atheist' label I must be acknowledging a God I do not believe in.

No, you are acknowledging the existence of a word that signifies something nonexistent. It's no more significant than discussing phlogiston, aether, or caloric. 
 

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« Reply #27 on: 20/04/2015 20:11:11 »
i voted yes, so see you in heaven.
 

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« Reply #28 on: 21/04/2015 01:13:14 »
i voted yes, so see you in heaven.
Not being an atheist doesn't mean you go to heaven. In fact in Judaism there is no concept of a heaven that people go to when they die. That's a Christian concept.
 

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« Reply #29 on: 21/04/2015 04:44:18 »
i voted yes, so see you in heaven.
Not being an atheist doesn't mean you go to heaven. In fact in Judaism there is no concept of a heaven that people go to when they die. That's a Christian concept.

Dear Pete,

where do judaism go after?

where we go after? should i follow you?
 

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« Reply #30 on: 21/04/2015 09:32:49 »
Buddhists are generally heaven-believing atheists.
 

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« Reply #31 on: 21/04/2015 10:42:20 »
Buddhists are generally heaven-believing atheists.
Dear Alan,

if i learned qm, can i go where you go?
 

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« Reply #32 on: 21/04/2015 10:57:43 »
if i learned qm, can i go where you go?
i voted yes, so see you in heaven.
What on Earth do you mean by this? You are seriously making no sense.
 

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« Reply #33 on: 21/04/2015 11:32:16 »
if i learned qm, can i go where you go?
i voted yes, so see you in heaven.
What on Earth do you mean by this? You are seriously making no sense.

decide is photon a real thing or not? i thought young people more likely able to put $ where mouth is.
 

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« Reply #34 on: 21/04/2015 12:30:46 »
decide is photon a real thing or not? i thought young people more likely able to put $ where mouth is.
You cannot just permanently associate your sentiments with a Scientific law or... Or particle(A quantum particle, which we cannot directly observe and only prove with experiments). We only give importance to a certain thing as long as evidence points towards it's existence and relevance. If the evidence changes, we ditch that thing and move on to something new. Right now, evidence points towards the existence of photon... But, if it changes we will ditch it and move on to what the new evidence points towards. Right now I'm inclined to say that it's real, photon is real;
Maybe you'll be the one who introduces us to that new evidence which will make us ditch photon;
I have said it earlier and I'm going to say it again, we respect you sharing your theories on here and as they say philosophy (Theories) leads to experiments, and basically new inventions... But, please don't make us your enemies while doing so. You try to humiliate (In a way) the more experienced and knowledgeable minds on here. For eg., Peter, Alan, Yor on and Colin (I'm sorry if I missed someone). You should discuss your philosophy with them (And let them correct you so that you could fix your theory) rather than being hostile to them, giving them stupid reasons to try MAKE them believe in your philosophy.

Or particle(A quantum particle, which we cannot directly observe and only prove with experiments) When I said this I also wanted to mention how even, what we feel is reality could be merely an illusion (Please don't mention people who have said this before me since I'm not in anyway claiming this is my original thought. PS. I mentioned this whole 'could be an illusion' thing to be explicit). So any thing we know of could be a lie. Basically we just have to have our understanding of the universe based on logical deductions instead of what feels right, Jccc.
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« Reply #35 on: 21/04/2015 12:55:41 »
i have no enemy, kidding a little is my nature.

glad you picked photon. thanks.
 

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« Reply #36 on: 21/04/2015 12:58:18 »
if thebox also believes photon is real deal, i should visit the lake for sure.
 

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« Reply #37 on: 21/04/2015 13:05:57 »
Listen... Jccc, please don't give up on your theory. It could be (Although I'm not really qualified enough to say this)... True (My word selection sucks, I know!). Don't give up on it, just keep getting rid of the holes and try to think of an experiment which could prove it's true. Maybe Gravity is the part of the light spectrum as well ( Did I just say the stupidest thing ever?). I mean I would really feel bad if, due to me or anyone on this forum, we would lag behind by a new breakthrough discovery. I want YOU to be sure that it's not real and the moment YOU yourself give up on it (Without our iteration of how wrong it is) then that would be it's end. Because as far as I know, your theory still looks more feasible than photons (To me, and I have said it before). But yet again... -Insert my previous post here-
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« Reply #38 on: 21/04/2015 13:09:04 »
i should visit the lake for sure.
...What lake?  ???
 

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« Reply #39 on: 21/04/2015 13:23:20 »
i should visit the lake for sure.
...What lake?  ???

quantum lake
 

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« Reply #40 on: 21/04/2015 13:32:20 »
quantum lake
I still didn't get your reference... Did you mean this "http://olenliving.com/communities/florida/quantum-lake-villas"? (Yes, this is supposed to be funny)
 

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« Reply #41 on: 21/04/2015 14:23:46 »
I see photons whenever I open my eyes. I have machines that count individual photons. What's the problem there?

And when I'm dead, I'll be dead. No problem there either - in fact the ultimate solution to all my personal problems..
 

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« Reply #42 on: 21/04/2015 14:37:23 »
you are an open minded scientist, Alan.

anything in logic is possible. so if we meet after in person, can we discuss photon again? i was a boxer.

if you can count photon 1 by 1, what's the method? are you SURE the thing that lights your eyes is photon not gravitational wave? 
 

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« Reply #43 on: 21/04/2015 14:48:04 »
if the method is counting the electrons knocked out by light, you are counting electron not photon.

can gravitational wave knockout electrons also?
 

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« Reply #44 on: 26/04/2015 23:35:09 »
... are you SURE the thing that lights your eyes is photon not gravitational wave?
Well, it doesn't pull his eyes out!!
 

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« Reply #45 on: 26/04/2015 23:46:02 »
Do you count sheep, or just the photons reflected from the sheep? Oh dear, I'm turning into a philosopher, so let's return to experimental physics:

If I put a planet (say the moon) between myself and the sun, the number of photons reaching me decreases, but the gravitational vector increases. So photons are not gravitons.
 

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« Reply #46 on: 26/04/2015 23:48:25 »
... are you SURE the thing that lights your eyes is photon not gravitational wave?
Well, it doesn't pull his eyes out!!

because he is peek the sun not staring?
 

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« Reply #47 on: 26/04/2015 23:48:53 »
anything in logic is possible.

Only if you allow an infinite number of absurd propositions. Which is why science isn't like philosophy: we have to start with an observation.
 

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« Reply #48 on: 27/04/2015 00:17:11 »
anything in logic is possible.

Only if you allow an infinite number of absurd propositions. Which is why science isn't like philosophy: we have to start with an observation.

Alan,

science observed atoms produce spectrum/em radiation, not electron change energy level/orbital and release photons. those are imaginary/model/theory.

science observed expending universe, theorized big bang that is so mainstream and correct, did i just challenged it without seen any/your debunk? 

are we discussing about science? or textbook/wiki knowledge? some times i feel like visiting a thrift store.
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Re: Poll: Number of Atheists on a Science forum.
« Reply #49 on: 27/04/2015 01:00:23 »
Do you count sheep, or just the photons reflected from the sheep? Oh dear, I'm turning into a philosopher, so let's return to experimental physics:

If I put a planet (say the moon) between myself and the sun, the number of photons reaching me decreases, but the gravitational vector increases. So photons are not gravitons.

Alan,

you are mixing gravity and gravity wave into 1.

gravity is the attraction force between sun and moon, light is the gravitational wave produced by hot atoms on the sun.

i never said photons are gravitons. i always said photon and graviton are imaginary.

you put words in my words again, why? is it fun? or challenge my memories?
 

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