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Offline jccc

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Are you a real scientist?
« on: 16/05/2015 01:54:32 »
scientist is people who discovered scientific things.

science degree has nothing to do with been a scientist.

if you have 7 phds, but invented nothing, discovered nothing, you are just a phd, not scientist.

agree?


 

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Re: Are you a real scientist?
« Reply #1 on: 16/05/2015 03:41:00 »
if you have 7 phds, but ... discovered nothing, you are just a phd, not scientist.

To obtain a PhD you have to produce a thesis, ( aka dissertation ). That involves research which expands-upon existing-knowledge, or refutes it, i.e. discovery of some type is required to obtain a PhD.
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Re: Are you a real scientist?
« Reply #2 on: 16/05/2015 03:59:15 »
scientist is people who discovered scientific things.

science degree has nothing to do with been a scientist.

if you have 7 phds, but invented nothing, discovered nothing, you are just a phd, not scientist.

agree?
A degree in science is even more important than a high school diploma. In high school we learn advanced mathematics, we learn about world history, and just as important, we learn to compose proper sentences. Something you should look into jccc!
 

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Re: Are you a real scientist?
« Reply #3 on: 16/05/2015 08:46:43 »
A scientist is a person who applies the scientific method: observe, hypothesise, test. Where observation is particularly important, the field is often populated by amateurs, i.e. people who don't make a living from doing science, and may not have any formal qualifications in the subject.

Discovery and invention are sometimes the result of science, but most scientists spend most of their time investigating failures or diagnosing problems and diseases. The best result of a scientific investigation is "textbook", because that means the engineers or doctors can get on and fix the problem immediately. The worst result is "new product" because that means fundraising, patents, secrecy, recruitment, new plant, more employees, publicity, management, accountancy....and then some other bugger invents a better one or discovers a fault in yours. 
 

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Re: Are you a real scientist?
« Reply #4 on: 16/06/2015 19:52:58 »
Well I have a Science degree,  but I am not employed as a scientist, I do use science in my job everyday.  I apply what I have been taught in my work as an Environmental Health Officer. 

I enforce environmental laws, and law unlike science, is murky and unclear, making a case or deciding on the best resolution is challenging, but what underpins my decisions, my justifications and my strategies ultimately is what science has taught me. 

I don't know if I am a scientist, probably not, but doesn't mean I don't try to think like one.
 

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Re: Are you a real scientist?
« Reply #5 on: 20/06/2015 05:15:36 »
Quote from: jccc
scientist is people who discovered scientific things.

science degree has nothing to do with been a scientist.

if you have 7 phds, but invented nothing, discovered nothing, you are just a phd, not scientist.

agree?
No. I don't agree and neither should anybody else because you don't know what a scientist is. By definition a scientist is
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Scientist
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A scientist, in a broad sense, is one engaging in a systematic activity to acquire knowledge. In a more restricted sense, a scientist may refer to an individual who uses the scientific method. The person may be an expert in one or more areas of science.
or http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/scientist
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: a person who is trained in a science and whose job involves doing scientific research or solving scientific problems
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1. a person learned in science and especially natural science :  a scientific investigator

Simply put; a scientist is a person who studies nature. It doesn't even mean that they're employed as a scientist nor does it mean that they have a degree in science.
 

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Re: Are you a real scientist?
« Reply #6 on: 23/06/2015 00:01:51 »
any 1 can explain how a hydrogen atom is constructed in detail and logic is my hero.

i can give you my hats and all my hair. Please! I been waiting for 40 + years.
 

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Re: Are you a real scientist?
« Reply #7 on: 23/06/2015 05:57:52 »
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any 1 can explain how a hydrogen atom is constructed in detail and logic is my hero.
Then for cripes sake, stop asking!! You have this erroneous belief that you demonstrate in nearly all of your posts that the purpose of physics, or any science for that matter, is to explain why things happen or are the way they are or to be able to prove the laws of nature are true. Such things are about the furthest thing from the truth that one can get. Science only has the ability to describe nature, not explain it. With the laws and theories that we develop we have the ability to "explain" things in terms of those laws. But all that means is that we're explaining things in terms of things that are but mere descriptions so in the end all we really have are descriptions. I've told you several times to read the following document which explains all of this but you've always refused to read anything that anybody suggest. But screw it. That's your problem. I'm posting this for others who actually want to learn:
http://home.comcast.net/~peter.m.brown/ref/philosophy_physics.pdf

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i can give you my hats and all my hair. Please! I been waiting for 40 + years.
You're going to have to wait another 40 years if you keep refusing to read and learn physics. Nobody is going to spoon feed you like a little baby. We're too busy helping those who are willing to do the work to learn and that certainly isn't you.
 

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Re: Are you a real scientist?
« Reply #8 on: 23/06/2015 16:28:12 »

You're going to have to wait another 40 years if you keep refusing to read and learn physics.
I think jccc would have much better luck with his education if he would first learn to communicate properly. I'd recommend that he first learn to speak English before he takes on Physics.
 

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Re: Are you a real scientist?
« Reply #9 on: 23/06/2015 19:11:11 »
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scientist is people w
Simply put; a scientist is a person who studies nature. It doesn't even mean that they're employed as a scientist nor does it mean that they have a degree in science.

greatest comment from you!

study nature not books, book knowledge was invented/discovered by others. people make mistakes, nature don't.

in nature light is gravitational waves produced by exited atoms.

in books light is photon particles emitted by electrons change orbitals.

it takes a clear mind to see true face of the nature, not eyes only.
 

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Re: Are you a real scientist?
« Reply #10 on: 24/06/2015 16:04:35 »
according to Pete,

i am 1 nature scientist.

why they call me pest? virus? brokenpot?
 

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Re: Are you a real scientist?
« Reply #11 on: 24/06/2015 17:36:10 »
they even sent me to mars 3 times!
 

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Re: Are you a real scientist?
« Reply #12 on: 26/06/2015 20:45:33 »
martians don't like brokenpot

they kick me back to thee
 

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Re: Are you a real scientist?
« Reply #13 on: 28/06/2015 09:09:01 »
i'm depressed............
 

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