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My apologies
« on: 24/05/2015 23:06:07 »
My apologies to this forum and members. I understand some of you are annoyed at my ideas, and presenting them often in gibberish terms to yourselves and often thoughtlessly spilling over into other threads.
I am not a scientist and do not have the science ability to present an idea as good as someone who is a scientist. So please bare this in mind when considering what you read.
I also have concerns I may be in some way ill. Delusions of grandeur.
or maybe not.
I know I know very little in terms of science, but I can not help it, if some of what I have read, just does not compute, other things compute just fine, most of your science computes just fine, then some of it, my brain will not accept to be true.

sorry thats just me ,
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Re: My apologies
« Reply #1 on: 25/05/2015 15:26:08 »
My apologies to this forum and members. I understand some of you are annoyed at my ideas, and presenting them often in gibberish terms to yourselves and often thoughtlessly spilling over into other threads.
I am not a scientist and do not have the science ability to present an idea as good as someone who is a scientist. So please bare this in mind when considering what you read.
I also have concerns I may be in some way ill. Delusions of grandeur.
or maybe not.
I know I know very little in terms of science, but I can not help it, if some of what I have read, just does not compute, other things compute just fine, most of your science computes just fine, then some of it, my brain will not accept to be true.

sorry thats just me ,
I'm highly impressed that you can not only admit to such things but to do so in public. Congratulations for being so brave!
 

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Re: My apologies
« Reply #2 on: 25/05/2015 15:40:50 »
me 2, my apologies to this forum and members.

some science is all right, some just don't compute.

you all agree, even the box knows the fact.

who is going to fix the wrong science?

you? box? jp?
 

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Re: My apologies
« Reply #3 on: 25/05/2015 17:31:59 »
What we're really seeing is victims of bad education systems and misleading pop science programmes which simplify the truth out of so much of the stuff they're trying to get across and make a lot of it sound like voodoo. There is a lot of damage that needs to be undone so that people can rid themselves of the tangles of wrong ideas which have been shoved into their heads. The most crucial years are the ones spent in primary schools where the teachers generally know nothing about science and are left to make it up as they go along.
 

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Re: My apologies
« Reply #4 on: 25/05/2015 17:44:50 »
those teachers all have degree, must be their teachers fault.

see, smart people home school. like me and box.

that's why we often have fresh thoughts.

stone or not, drunk or sober.

fresh thoughts

God bless

alas

 

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Re: My apologies
« Reply #5 on: 25/05/2015 20:14:34 »
A degree in what? Failed teaching techniques, all taught to them by failed teachers who became teacher-teachers precisely because they are hopeless at teaching and couldn't hack it in the classroom. The better teachers manage to bypass most of it by getting a degree in a real subject first, then they can train to be primary teachers in a single year and reject all the rubbish they're taught during that time. The big problem is the many who don't take the shortcut and who actually try to teach the way they've been trained to, and the result is that children are simply not educated, and they're kept cut off from all the people in society who could actually give them good answers to their scientific questions.
 

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Re: My apologies
« Reply #6 on: 26/05/2015 19:46:04 »
What we're really seeing is victims of bad education systems and misleading pop science programmes which simplify the truth out of so much of the stuff they're trying to get across and make a lot of it sound like voodoo. There is a lot of damage that needs to be undone so that people can rid themselves of the tangles of wrong ideas which have been shoved into their heads. The most crucial years are the ones spent in primary schools where the teachers generally know nothing about science and are left to make it up as they go along.

The main cause of all science forums problems, meaning trolls which are not really trolls, is youtube. Anyone can publish anything , videos leave impression better than words ever could.  I must say though , that is not my case, although I have watched these pop science type videos, I have as well spent a lot of time on forums. A lot of the information provided as give me knowledge, your knowledge. I can never word it so well but I get science.


The other forum I am on, although a bit of a mad forum, learnt me to write better. They also helped me find me again and from being lost in science, I often post in a  gibberish manner like now, because I am simply tired, like now it is 19.45, I was up at 4.32 am this morning , beating my alarm clock, out at work 6.30am , returned 18.30pm

sorry Im just waffling on.
 

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Re: My apologies
« Reply #7 on: 28/05/2015 00:12:47 »
Quote from: jccc
me 2, my apologies to this forum and members.

some science is all right, some just don't compute.

you all agree, even the box knows the fact.
That's a large steaming pile of poop. The reason some things don't appear to compute for you is due to the fact that you refuse to learn physics like someone who is serious about knowing the subject does.

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who is going to fix the wrong science?
It doesn't need fixing. What needs fixing is you.
 

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Re: My apologies
« Reply #8 on: 28/05/2015 01:11:40 »
opinion various

box and i said about same thing, why is he is your hero? why did you poop?
 

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Re: My apologies
« Reply #9 on: 28/05/2015 01:33:55 »
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opinion various
One of the most irritating things about you is that you post nonsense like this, i.e. "opinion various". I can't tell if you're simply an idiot or if your English is just that bad.

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box and i said about same thing, ...
"about" is the key word there. He and you didn't say the same thing at all. What TB did was to issue an entire apology in a thread he created just for that purpose.

In the first post of this thread he said:
1) My apologies to this forum and members.
2) I understand some of you are annoyed at my ideas, and presenting them often in gibberish terms to yourselves and often thoughtlessly spilling over into other threads.
3) I am not a scientist and do not have the science ability to present an idea as good as someone who is a scientist.
4) ...please bare this in mind when considering what you read.
5) I also have concerns I may be in some way ill. Delusions of grandeur. or maybe not.
6) I know I know very little in terms of science, ..., most of your science computes just fine, then some of it, my brain will not accept to be true.

All of that, i.e. 6 out of 6 is an apology and an admittance that he doesn't understand what he's talking about and it may be due to illness. A very admirable and quite brave thing for someone to do in my opinion/

On the other hand you posted the following:
1) me 2, my apologies to this forum and members.
2) some science is all right, some just don't compute.
3) you all agree, even the box knows the fact.
4) who is going to fix the wrong science?

So only 1 out of 4 of that is an apology. The rest is more poop about your claims that so much in science is wrong when in fact in all cases you've talked about to that end has always proven to be your terribly poor understanding of physics. So you tried to make it appear as it if was an apology, perhaps because you wanted me to praise you the same way I praised TB, but wound up issuing more poop.

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why is he is your hero? why did you poop?
The reason he's my hero in this thread is his demonstrating a great deal of humility and honesty. I have a great deal of appreciation for people who demonstrate those qualities. On the other hand even in your question here you lied with an insulting question. I never said that I pooped and there's nothing that can even be claimed to have been mistaken for it in this thread. What I did was to say, in the most polite way that I could without using bad words, that what you claimed to be true was quite wrong. I.e. you wrote

1) some science is all right, some just don't compute.
2) you all agree, even the box knows the fact.

In case #1 no science that is accepted to be correct at this point in history can't be said not to compute to the extent that the theory can be said to be flawed in any sense. In case #2 you wrongly and grossly claimed that we all agree with that when in fact nobody who is respected in this forum for their correct understanding of physics could be said to agree with you - I.e. cases #1 and #2 are crap.
 

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Re: My apologies
« Reply #10 on: 28/05/2015 06:31:10 »
i doubt your logic

but opinion various

all is good

good morning
 

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Re: My apologies
« Reply #11 on: 28/05/2015 14:49:54 »
I know I know very little in terms of science, but I can not help it, if some of what I have read, just does not compute, other things compute just fine, most of your science computes just fine, then some of it, my brain will not accept to be true.

sorry thats just me ,

I have noticed a change in the last week or so, some of what you have posted in the gravity vs air pressure showed you had been learning.
Science, like many subjects now is becoming very specialised. Wiki and textbooks often just scratch the surface and use shortcuts and diagrams that can give the wrong impression.
The best way is to start with the basics and build up from there rather than trying to be an expert in the specialist areas. I have noticed you starting to grasp the basics such that you can put together a reasonable defence of eg gravity.
A thought. Brainstorming is a very useful thinking tool, but on a forum can be confusing. Try jotting notes of your thoughts and then grouping the ideas in topics/subjects. When you have some ideas together you could ask a question on just one. Try not to let a thread run away by getting diverted away from the basic question.
Can I ask whether you ever experience thoughts rushing through your head as if they are greased, feeling that they are hard to hold onto before they are through the other side?
 

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Re: My apologies
« Reply #12 on: 28/05/2015 15:04:07 »
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i doubt your logic
Of course you do. That's because you're grasp of logic is extremely poor just like your grasp of physics. On the other hand I'm highly trained in logic since it comes with the job of being a physicist.
 

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Re: My apologies
« Reply #13 on: 28/05/2015 19:28:36 »
highly trained?

electron jump energy level to emit photons? how many per second? how to jump?

photon hits electron to produce current? i though electron is clouding, what's the odds to hit by a photon?

the em attraction force is so strong between opposite charges, why is atom able to form? why is electron not falling into nucleus?

 

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Re: My apologies
« Reply #14 on: 28/05/2015 23:47:08 »
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highly trained?
Yep. That's right.

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electron jump energy level to emit photons? how many per second? how to jump?
Oh good Lord! Now you're confusing being trained in logic with being trained in physics. You poor sad soul. If you want to see a little bit of the work I've written on quantum mechanics see: http://home.comcast.net/~peter.m.brown/qm/qm.htm and you'll realize how little that you'd be able to grasp any answer I'd give you.

Again you want to quiz me, huh? What ever gave you the impression that I'd satisfy your curiosity by taking some sort of childish test for you? Besides, it's too vague to answer. Sheesh! You don't even know how to ask a decent question well enough to even construct a test. The rate at which atoms change energy levels depends on the rate at which the atom is excited to do so by impinging photons. When such a photon strikes it will almost immediately return to the ground state. However this depends on the particular kind of atom or molecule. Sometimes it takes a while for the atom to return to the ground level and can do it in various manners. E.g. by a direct transition from one to another or by a series of transitions. Etc.

I responded to that to show you how little you know even to construct a question. But I have no reason to answer such questions to you merely so you can make a judgment of my knowledge of physics. Those questions require more exact statements of the problem since the answer depends on specifics which you didn't include. Not to mention that you don't know physics well enough to know whether the answer is correct or not.

Let me give you an example: You wrote "photon hits electron to produce current? i though electron is clouding, what's the odds to hit by a photon?"

That statement is so poorly stated that it can't even be determined by the way its phrased as to what it is that you're asking. E.g. the statement "i though electron is clouding" is meaningless. First of all you spelled "thought" wrong because you left off the "t" at the end. And there's no such thing as "clouding" in physics. And to determine what the odds are of a photon striking an electron you have to state the problem more specifically by stating the knowns of the problem such as the current density and electron density.
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Re: My apologies
« Reply #15 on: 29/05/2015 22:26:04 »

Can I ask whether you ever experience thoughts rushing through your head as if they are greased, feeling that they are hard to hold onto before they are through the other side?


This question made me smirk...how did you know that?


Often my thoughts are literally a split second thought. Some stick and others are lost, but sometimes the ones that are lost come back to me minutes/hours/days later.  Sometimes things I read or people say triggers a thought, probably a middle age crisis. 

Without wanting to  sound weird, it is like I am seeing my own thoughts from the outside.
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Re: My apologies
« Reply #16 on: 29/05/2015 22:49:53 »
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This question made me smirk...how did you know that?
Because it's indicative of an illness called Bipolar disorder. When you said Delusions of grandeur that came to the back of my mind too since it's a symptom of this disease as well as others I think I recall seeing, i.e.

* Inflated self-esteem or grandiosity
* Racing thoughts

See the rest of the symptoms here:
http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/bipolar-disorder/basics/symptoms/con-20027544

They have medication that can help you control it. You should tell your doctor about this. He'll either prescribe the medication himself for it or send you to a psychiatrist for the prescription.

To see if you might have it go to the Mayo Clinic's website and read the symptoms for it. That's the link I gave above.

I'm so happy that you had the courage to admit that about yourself because in doing so you might find diagnose an illness that might have made you miserable for years on end that you never knew that you had. I'm very proud of you Steve.  :)
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Re: My apologies
« Reply #17 on: 30/05/2015 00:01:21 »
This question made me smirk...how did you know that?

Same thought as Pete, didn't want to say without knowing if it was true. Quite a few things in your posts point the same way. Try this link as well http://www.mind.org.uk/information-support/types-of-mental-health-problems/bipolar-disorder/#.VWjnyLK9KK0
If any of that rings true then do see a doctor, treatment is very effective and simple.

If the only symptom you have is the greased thoughts, it's possible you might be on the dyslexic, ADHD spectrum. If you think that, I'll recommend a book.

As Pete says, you are very brave and deserve to find a way of living to your full capacity. Neither of these conditions in any way suggest your intelligence is low, quite the opposite the conditions often prevent a person using their intelligence to max capacity.
 

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« Reply #18 on: 30/05/2015 00:46:09 »
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Neither of these conditions in any way suggest your intelligence is low, quite the opposite the conditions often prevent a person using their intelligence to max capacity.
In fact people with ADD/ADHD tend to have high IQs.
 

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« Reply #19 on: 30/05/2015 04:16:29 »
In fact people with ADD/ADHD tend to have high IQs.
Usually shows as verbal reasoning score being higher than overall academic performance would suggest.
 

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« Reply #20 on: 30/05/2015 12:17:44 »
Interesting posts, maybe I do have some form of bipolar disorder and my wires are getting a bit crossed.  My problem is, I sort of like it, and have simply just accepted it. At the present, I have never felt so strongly before and sure of my logic. I am the comedian at work but also the best none stop worker. When I am on science forums I am serious in my head and in nothing but thought, switching off to the rest of the world immediately around me.
I sometimes focus on what I am writing, but sometimes I am focused on the thought whilst I am writing, this is when I produce gibberish.   I simply want to keep the thought and share the thought.
Without wanting to sound deranged, it is as if my brain is not controlling me but I am controlling my brain, by seeing ''everything'' in a logical manner and perspective. 
If you know the star trek series, and Commander Data , the android, or a Vulcan like Spock, it is as if I am mimicking them, I have little emotion left in me. I do not feel sad and depressed, I neither feel happy, I feel robotic.
I do not really swear or use profanities, neither do I rarely shout or like shouting, I see no need, I am placid, a state where I look around me and now only see science.
I do not consider I have dissociated myself with reality, I consider I now actually see reality from a different angle.
 


 

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« Reply #21 on: 30/05/2015 23:17:44 »
I sometimes focus on what I am writing, but sometimes I am focused on the thought whilst I am writing, this is when I produce gibberish.   I simply want to keep the thought and share the thought.
If you aren't suffering mood swings and depression, you sound quite well balanced.
It might be worth looking at ways of structuring your thoughts, have you tried mind mapping? It's really useful because as well as being used for brainstorming and note taking it can be used to explore links between ideas.
 

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« Reply #22 on: 31/05/2015 00:10:03 »
I sometimes focus on what I am writing, but sometimes I am focused on the thought whilst I am writing, this is when I produce gibberish.   I simply want to keep the thought and share the thought.
If you aren't suffering mood swings and depression, you sound quite well balanced.
It might be worth looking at ways of structuring your thoughts, have you tried mind mapping? It's really useful because as well as being used for brainstorming and note taking it can be used to explore links between ideas.

I am tired, but I had to look up what mind mapping was.  My tree branches expand and contract inside my head continuously. 


Back and forth, rewind and fast forward, taking different routes and sometimes taking detours.  I have drawn 1000's of pictures, diagrams over time whilst on science, I think I have been unknowingly randomly mind mapping over random forums.

Thank you how interesting.

 

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Re: My apologies
« Reply #23 on: 01/06/2015 13:58:02 »
Sorry guys I feel like I am tripping out today, my thoughts have gone real deep and as even raised my heart rate.

I am imagining an infinite void, and at a single point in this void either a single particle or a single point of energy . But the question I am asking myself , is where does this single particle or energy point come from in the first place from empty?

I have considered then even a God, but God would have to be also in this infinite void so what made a God?

wow it is a confusing thought.

 

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