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Re: How is hydrogen atom formed?
« Reply #25 on: 23/06/2015 20:54:59 »
nope. as discussed many times before, your "enerton" does not solve any of the problems you identify, and brings it's own set of problems...

EDIT: and, I might add, there is no observation that supports the existence of your "enerton"
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Re: How is hydrogen atom formed?
« Reply #26 on: 23/06/2015 21:09:43 »
such as what?

please point it out. thanks and sweet night!
 

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Re: How is hydrogen atom formed?
« Reply #27 on: 23/06/2015 21:17:50 »
nope. as discussed many times before, your "enerton" does not solve any of the problems you identify, and brings it's own set of problems...

EDIT: and, I might add, there is no observation that supports the existence of your "enerton"

among all against my ides you are the 1 showed me some rational thinking.

did you observed graviton and photon? observed gluons? observed strong and weak forces?

you do observe all atom are not compressible as model suggested lot empty space within them, observed no discharge within atoms, what do you say? you say qm is correct.

am i have a point?
 

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Re: How is hydrogen atom formed?
« Reply #28 on: 23/06/2015 21:27:14 »
such as (as I've pointed out before):

-If there are negatively charged enertons, why haven't we ever observed one by itself, or a proton that is neutralized by being surrounded by enertons, and has no electron?

-If there are negatively charged enertons, why is it that we measure the charge of a proton to be exactly 1, and the charge of an electron as exactly 1? Where is there room for extra negatively charged particles in a neutral H atom?

-If protons have many times the positive charge that we measure, and are surrounded by enertons to the extent that they only have an effective charge of 1, why is there only one charge available for a proton to have? We have never observed protons with charge any greater or less than 1, even when subjected to the incredible energies required to smash them into smaller subatomic particles--surely this would dislodge some enertons?

-How do enertons fit in with other particles we have observed, like quarks?

-Why can we remove electrons from an atom to form a positively charged ion, and interact those ions with negatively charged ions (atoms with more electrons than protons), and only electrons are transfered--never any other type of negative particle?
 

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Re: How is hydrogen atom formed?
« Reply #29 on: 23/06/2015 21:56:41 »
as i said earlier in my theory, 3 building blocks make up atoms.

proton carries 900 positive charges, electron carries 1 negative charge, enertron carries tiny negative charge, but it has more charge to volume ratio than electron.

a proton can never be observed by itself, proton is deep hidden within a dense enertron ball, density d=900/r^3. electron is float/balance within the enertron ball at atom radius.

atom is like earth, proton is the core, enertron is the dirt, electron is giant beach ball.

electron can never get inside of atom radius, that's why atoms are not compressible, no discharge within atom.

proton attracts -899 energtron and 1 electron to become neutral charged.

we can not detect enertron because it is too small and attracted by proton more strongly than electron.

when proton beams impact, in fact is proton/enertron balls impact, enertron balls explode, produce all kinds of em phenomena.

without charges, there is no force, there is no mass. cus you cannot measure mass without using force.

1 atomic mass equals to 1800 total charges, no matter the sign of the charge, that's why proton weight 1800 times electron weight but only carries 1 positive charge, the rest 899 positive charge is used up to balance 899 enertron.

fair enough?
 

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Re: How is hydrogen atom formed?
« Reply #30 on: 23/06/2015 22:07:10 »
Well, this doesn't address any of my questions, and it also begs the question: in your model, why don't the "enertrons" stick to the proton to form a point charge, and how do they keep the electron from sticking to the proton?

as i said earlier in my theory, 3 building blocks make up atoms.

proton carries 900 positive charges, electron carries 1 negative charge, enertron carries tiny negative charge, but it has more charge to volume ratio than electron.
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1 atomic mass equals to 1800 total charges, no matter the sign of the charge, that's why proton weight 1800 times electron weight but only carries 1 positive charge, the rest 899 positive charge is used up to balance 899 enertron.

so do "enertrons" have a tiny negative charge, or a negative charge of 1? if "enertrons" have the same charge as an electron, and the same mass as an electron, why do they behave differently?
 

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Re: How is hydrogen atom formed?
« Reply #31 on: 23/06/2015 22:13:25 »
enerton has tiny charge, maybe 1/10^21 of an electron.

think it as negative charged elastic fluid.

appreciate your open minded discussing! at least you gave my ideas the benefit of doubt.

i think the hydrogen atom is like a water earth, proton is the core, water the enertron ball, electron is like giant beach ball.
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Re: How is hydrogen atom formed?
« Reply #32 on: 23/06/2015 23:05:38 »
I'm glad you appreciate my willingness to discuss your theory. But you still need to answer some of my questions.
 

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Re: How is hydrogen atom formed?
« Reply #33 on: 24/06/2015 00:43:03 »
sure. please list all your questions. are uk people ever sleep? i know they laugh for no reasons on the train.
 

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Re: How is hydrogen atom formed?
« Reply #34 on: 24/06/2015 13:44:35 »
such as (as I've pointed out before):

-If there are negatively charged enertons, why haven't we ever observed one by itself, or a proton that is neutralized by being surrounded by enertons, and has no electron?

-If there are negatively charged enertons, why is it that we measure the charge of a proton to be exactly 1, and the charge of an electron as exactly 1? Where is there room for extra negatively charged particles in a neutral H atom?

-If protons have many times the positive charge that we measure, and are surrounded by enertons to the extent that they only have an effective charge of 1, why is there only one charge available for a proton to have? We have never observed protons with charge any greater or less than 1, even when subjected to the incredible energies required to smash them into smaller subatomic particles--surely this would dislodge some enertons?

-How do enertons fit in with other particles we have observed, like quarks?

-Why can we remove electrons from an atom to form a positively charged ion, and interact those ions with negatively charged ions (atoms with more electrons than protons), and only electrons are transfered--never any other type of negative particle?
 

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Re: How is hydrogen atom formed?
« Reply #35 on: 24/06/2015 13:51:01 »
are uk people ever sleep? i know they laugh for no reasons on the train.
They are remembering one of your posts, LOL, can't stop, hysterical.
 

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Re: How is hydrogen atom formed?
« Reply #36 on: 27/06/2015 17:07:07 »
a hydrogen atom is made of +900 charged proton surrounded by -899 charged enertron ball, add 1 electron on the outer sphere.

the atom has 2 force fields, positive field fp=ke x 900/r^2, negative field fe=ke x -900/r^2.

those positive and negative fields between atoms/matters interact/induction becomes bounding/gravitation.
 

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Re: How is hydrogen atom formed?
« Reply #37 on: 27/06/2015 17:12:42 »
in fact, because the electron is on 1 side of the atom, the negative field of the atom is unbalanced, 1 side is fe=ke x -900/r^2, the other side is fe=ke x -899/r^2. that;s atoms polarity.
 

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Re: How is hydrogen atom formed?
« Reply #38 on: 27/06/2015 18:11:38 »
How sad that there is no evidence for your hypothesis.

I suggest you post it on a religious forum instead.
 

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Re: How is hydrogen atom formed?
« Reply #39 on: 27/06/2015 18:47:44 »
ALAS

what's the purpose of new theory forum?

why atoms are not compressible as standard model suggested contain 99.99% empty space?

why electrons are not discharge into protons as coulomb's law predicted?

if you think my theory is religion, what do you think standard model is?

New Theories
Got a new theory on something? Post your hypotheses here...

your comment is conflict with fact, why should i trust your anything else? 
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Re: How is hydrogen atom formed?
« Reply #40 on: 27/06/2015 19:07:06 »
The standard model is a self-consistent theory that is backed up by decades of hard-won evidence. There are very few relevant experimental data that are unexplained by the theory and none that I know of that call the theory into question.
 

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Re: How is hydrogen atom formed?
« Reply #41 on: 27/06/2015 19:52:12 »
can standard model explain the above 2 questions?
 

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Re: How is hydrogen atom formed?
« Reply #42 on: 28/06/2015 00:10:27 »
Yes.

As has been stated many times before, you cannot derive quantum mechanics from classical mechanics. That is the entire, complete, and accurate answer to your two questions. Your refusal to accept this obvious truth must be an embarrassment to all who know you.

Religion has been defined as any action that is solemnly repeated despite the lack of evidence for its effect. Your questions, and indeed your hypotheses regarding atomic structure, fit that category very precisely.
 

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Re: How is hydrogen atom formed?
« Reply #43 on: 28/06/2015 04:27:10 »
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Yes.
I disagree. That's not how the standard model is defined. It's defined as a theory of particle physics. That's what quantum mechanics does. I.e. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Model

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Religion has been defined as any action that is solemnly repeated despite the lack of evidence for its effect.
There isn't a lack of evidence in religion. Scientific evidence is defined as information in the form of  experimental or observational results that's consistent with a theory. It's merely that the evidence is insufficient to take religion seriously.
 

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