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Dr. Praetoria

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Mathematics nulls vampires
« on: 06/11/2006 20:39:14 »
How could one disprove the ;D vampire legend, mathematically?
(assume that there was a single vampire at the earliest stage of Earth's population)


 

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Re: Mathematics nulls vampires
« Reply #1 on: 07/11/2006 15:55:30 »
Im not sure we can ever disprove it mathematically, because they fall in the category of the paranormal.  Im sure that it arose when sombody had a certian disease (cant remember the name right now) That creates a sensitivity to light.  The result would be that the person has no lights on, and only goes out in the dark, if at all.  That kind of behaviour will get sombody's imagination running wildly.  Perhaps when a bat flew out of the house of this person was the myth born.

Any speculations of how the other peices of the myth have come to pass?

well...  If there was a single vampire when the earth was young, then the vampire would have no trouble finding and vampirizing all of the population.  And, as you can see, we dont have thirst for blood or vampire teeth, And we certianly dont explode in sunlight.
 

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Re: Mathematics nulls vampires
« Reply #2 on: 07/11/2006 17:01:44 »
There are two legends that come to mind:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_B%C3%A1thory
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Countess Elizabeth Báthory (Báthory Erzsébet in Hungarian, Alžbeta Bátoriová(-Nádašdy) in Slovak), August 7?, 1560 – August 21, 1614), the Bloody Lady of Čachtice, was a Hungarian countess who lived in the Čachtice Castle near Trenčín, in present-day Slovakia.

She is considered the most famous serial killer in Slovak and Hungarian history. She spent most of her life at the Čachtice Castle, and dabbled in the occult. After her husband's death, she and her four alleged collaborators were accused of torturing and killing between 600 and 700 girls and young women. In 1611, she was imprisoned in solitary confinement, where she stayed until her death three years later. Her nobility allowed her to avoid an immediate execution. However, three of her four alleged collaborators were put to death.

The Bathory case inspired many stories, featuring the Countess bathing in her victims' blood in order to retain her youth. This inspired another nickname, the "Blood Countess".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlad_III_the_Impaler
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Vlad III the Impaler (Vlad Ţepeş in common Romanian reference; also known as Vlad Dracula or Vlad Drăculea and Kazıklı Voyvoda in Turkish; November or December, 1431 – December 1476) was voivode (prince) of Wallachia, now part of Romania. His three reigns were in 1448, in 1456-1462, and in 1476.

His Romanian surname Draculea (transliterated as Dracula in foreign languages of the historical documents where his name is mentioned) seems to come from his father's surname Dracul (see Vlad II Dracul); the latter was a member of the Order of the Dragon created by Emperor Sigismund. Vlad's family had two factions, the Drăculeşti and the Dăneşti.

His post-mortem moniker of Ţepeş (Impaler) originated in his preferred method for executing his opponents, impalement - as popularized by medieval Transylvanian pamphlets. In Turkish, he was known as Kazıklı Bey (Impaler Prince). Vlad was referred to as Dracula in a number of documents of his times, mainly the Transylvanian Saxon pamphlets and The Annals of Jan Długosz.

Outside Wallachia he was known by the exaggerated tales of atrocities (many of which stem from records of debatable authenticity) and even more so — the title of vampire, and it has been suggested that his surname Dracula was the source of inspiration for the name of the main character of Bram Stoker's 1897 horror novel, Dracula.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vampire#Natural_phenomena_that_propagate_the_belief_in_vampires
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Nowadays, some people argue that vampire stories might have been influenced by a rare illness called porphyria. The disease disrupts the production of heme. People with extreme but rare cases of this hereditary disease can be so sensitive to sunlight that they can get a sunburn through heavy cloud cover, causing them to avoid sunlight — although it should be noted that the idea that vampires are harmed by sunlight is largely from modern fiction and not the original beliefs. Certain forms of porphyria are also associated with neurological symptoms, which can create psychiatric disorders. However, the hypotheses that porphyria sufferers crave the heme in human blood, or that the consumption of blood might ease the symptoms of porphyria, are based on a severe misunderstanding of the disease. There is no real evidence to suggest that porphyria had anything to do with the development of the original folklore, as the hypothesis is mainly based off the characteristics of the modern vampire in any case. Others argue that there might be a relationship between vampirism and rabies, since people suffering from this disease would avoid sunlight and looking into mirrors and would froth at the mouth. This froth could sometimes look like blood, being red in colour. However, like porphyria, there is little evidence to prove any links between vampires and rabies.
 

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Re: Mathematics nulls vampires
« Reply #3 on: 13/11/2006 00:10:25 »
I don't believe its our duty to disprove everything. We as scientists should come up with hypothesis and then do experiments to prove or disprove them. Not disprove any crack pot myth. I can't disprove fairies, fire breathing dragons or even god. If we tried to disprove all that nonsense no actual science would get done.
 

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« Reply #4 on: 13/11/2006 16:01:29 »
not always true.  There are thousands of scientists who are devoted to the regular science, instead of myths.  Once we disprove the myths, then the people who used to try to prove the myths may become devoted to science.  That would double our future output at a cost of present output.
 

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Re: Mathematics nulls vampires
« Reply #5 on: 14/11/2006 12:32:36 »
I presume the originator is refrring to one of the cinematic legends whch says that anyone bitten by a vampire becomes a vampire and vampires have to eat regularly ot they will die and the cult would therefore affect every person on the earth within a few years.

Its all a load of total rubbish anyway.  OK there were som pretty nasty types in the area and there are diseases that can show some of the charateristics mentioned but what's the point?
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Re: Mathematics nulls vampires
« Reply #6 on: 14/11/2006 20:47:17 »
I think soul sufferer is right on.  With the first "bit" you would have two ??? vamps than each would have to "bit" two more, now four, eight,.....so, how long would take for the total population to be all be vamps?
 

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« Reply #7 on: 03/08/2007 23:23:00 »
 Poryphic Hemophilia I believe is the name of the disease although it was used in a video game called Oblivon
   
    Off Topic: you guys should play more video games hehe Have some fun now back to the topic 

   It's a fictional disease but then again the reason this all started was because of a King in transylvania who was very brutal to his enemies and those he just didn't like Simply put he didn't like tresspassers sort of like the that old sign Tresspassers will be shot surviors will be shot again and if you're still alive pray for mercy because hell ain't half full yet brother
 

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Mathematics nulls vampires
« Reply #8 on: 03/08/2007 23:40:29 »
Haha. I am currently reading "I AM LEGEND" By Robert Matheson.
 

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