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Are vaccinations necessary?
« on: 26/06/2015 13:50:02 »
kevan millican asked the Naked Scientists:
   
Are you aware of the following news article?
UK doctor has all charges against her dropped when she proved to the court that vaccinations were not necessary.

As a scientist that I have respected for many years, are you open to changing your mind when new information is presented?

The following is the first paragraphs of a UK news story with a link the the rest of the article:

What happened when a UK doctor appeared as an expert witness to help two mothers prove in court that their children didn't need to be vaccinated?

A 3 year court case against the British General Medical Council that ended with the doctor accused having all allegations dropped.

Dr. Jayne Donegan, a UK GP, has lived a most fascinating story. It began with her originally being a very strong advocate for vaccinations, but fast forward quite a few years later, and she now not only speaks out against the dangers of vaccinations, but ended up being taken to the General Medical Council with some pretty serious claims by them regarding her professionalism.

http://www.collective-evolution.com/2015/03/15/the-doctor-who-beat-the-british-general-medical-council-by-proving-that-vaccines-arent-necessary-to-achieve-health/

What do you think?
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Re: Are vaccinations necessary?
« Reply #1 on: 26/06/2015 19:39:45 »
Necessary? You mean like food and water? Then no.

But let me tell you about a 4 year old Mexican child who was still trying to learn how to roll over when I first met him in my Public Health Nurse class. He was undocumented and poor so he never got a pertussis shot.

Therefore, when he got pertussis at six months, the paroxysmal cough ( which is said to be like getting waterboarded ) lunched his brain from lack of oxygen. So you tell me whether a vaccination against pertussis is "necessary". Have you considered, as well, that if you aren't immunized, that "cough" of yours might snuff an infant?

On another note, at my annual exam yesterday, they topped up my tetanus and pneumovax immunizations. That's to keep me from having one of those pesky cases of tetanus or pneumonia. Because at 69 my tetanus immunity might not be up to scratch now. By the way, the age group most historically affected by Tetanus in the UK are those over 65. (1.)

By the way, are you covered against shingles? My 66 year old girl friend unfortunately wasn't and she says . "You'll be sorreeee!"

I will pass over the reasons that Michael Douglas could have prevented his oral cancer with an HPV shot because young children may read this.

So as I say, tell me how nuts you are and I will tell you how "necessary" vaccinations are. At least the fluoride wackadoos aren't actually courting death.

As for this Jayne Donegan "Doctor" who won't vaccinate children -- somebody needs to be sent out to the country for a long, long rest. Some children die after vaccination, but more of them die after watching BBC kid's TV.

(1.) Gov.UK, Tetanus in England and Wales: 2013.  https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/tetanus-in-england-and-wales-2013/tetanus-in-england-and-wales-2013
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Re: Are vaccinations necessary?
« Reply #2 on: 27/06/2015 12:47:38 »
It's notable that the article says ", I was taught that diseases like typhus, cholera, rheumatic and scarlet fever – for which there are no vaccines – ... "
well, there are vaccines for cholera and typhus. Scarlet fever and Rheumatic fever clear up with antibiotics so there's not much call for a vaccine- it would be complicated by the variability of the bacteria concerned too.
But the real "red flag" is where they say "That is where I was coming from – even my interest in homeopathy didn’t dent my enthusiasm for vaccines; so far as I could see, it was the same process "
OK, so they think homoeopathy is valid.
That's proof that they are not basing their judgement on science.
 

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Re: Are vaccinations necessary?
« Reply #3 on: 27/06/2015 14:52:29 »

Vaccines aren't necessary to achieve health. Most of us are born healthy and those that aren't, are not cured by vaccination. Surgery, antibiotics, physiotherapy, perhaps, but not vaccines.

Vaccination is not necessary to protect health, any more than seatbelts are necessary to prevent injury. If there was nobody else on the road, and no infectious kids in your school, you could ride around naked as a jaybird, play in the dirt all day, and live to be at least 25. But thanks to the presence of others, particularly incompetent drivers and kids with transmissible diseases, most of us protect ourselves and our children from the obvious dangers of living in a civilised society, and expect to draw our pensions.

Vaccination is not necessary to protect others. We shoot and burn infected cattle to protect the herd. Happy to do the same with your children, but not mine. I had the displeasure of watching one kid suffer with pertussis during a fashionable "vaccine scare" and swore never to be swayed by irresponsible journalism again. 
 

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Re: Are vaccinations necessary?
« Reply #4 on: 28/06/2015 22:48:55 »
Homeopaths!...... Slooowly I turn......Step by step ...inch by inch...

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Re: Are vaccinations necessary?
« Reply #5 on: 28/06/2015 23:31:37 »
Homeopaths!......

Homoeopathic ER ? ...
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Re: Are vaccinations necessary?
« Reply #6 on: 29/06/2015 05:04:17 »
I believe that Dara O'Brien has summed up the "wisdom" of homeopathy and its ilk and also the reasons people turn to them here....


I don't mean to brag, but the reason that you don't see kids in iron lungs today in Fresno or Merced counties is down to me and dozen or so public health nurse colleagues running around with the Sabin vaccine. Now were we not worth our salt?
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Re: Are vaccinations necessary?
« Reply #7 on: 29/06/2015 20:27:27 »
Some people might think we have done enough homoeopathy bashing.
My view is that, while some poor misguided soul still thinks "there might be something in it" we haven't finished the job so here are a couple more jokes at the expense of outdated stupidity
http://xkcd.com/765/
and, of course, the bumper sticker that says "Real homoeopaths bang it repeatedly on a rubber block".

 

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Re: Are vaccinations necessary?
« Reply #8 on: 01/07/2015 06:59:48 »
Under the glorious red, white, and blue banner of the California Republic (ten thousand years! ten thousand years!) Governor Jerry Brown has today signed into law retraction of the 'personal preference' exemption for child vaccination. You can no longer refuse to vaccinate your child because you feel like doing so - just like you can't defecate on the sidewalk or snort heroin. As usual a few counter revolutionary elements - especially those selling vaccine 'substitutes" - are trying to organize resistance to this attack on their right to own their children like a pair of shoes.

This abrupt change stems from the Disneyland measles outbreak among white people -- whereas measles has been regularly breaking out with about 20-30 cases of hispanics every few years heretofore.

When the white people get scared in California, they demonstrate remarkable perspicacity about the role of quacks and ex-playboy "playmates" in health policy.
 

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Re: Are vaccinations necessary?
« Reply #9 on: 01/07/2015 20:35:19 »
Better late than never.
 

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Re: Are vaccinations necessary?
« Reply #10 on: 01/07/2015 22:07:38 »
But the scare wears off and complancey ( with the disease ) returns. These people were raised to think that vaccines are riskier than bathtubs, We need to change that.

When parents used to complain that they were afraid of the vaccine, I would say this. "God is using that fear to prepare you for the real terror of raising a teenager. In 15 years some strange boy will drive up some evening and take your child, here, away into the night. How else will you be ready to cope than if you start learning to deal with fear now?"

One of my colleagues from the ICU had to put her teenage junkie daughter out on the street because she was selling the furniture to buy drugs and offering them to her kid sister. When I told her about how these parents were terrified of a dpt shot on a six months old -- I'll never forget her tortured laugh.

These people need to know what kind of <<real>> dangers are lurking out there for even the most fortunately born kids.
 

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Re: Are vaccinations necessary?
« Reply #11 on: 10/04/2016 10:34:59 »
Vaccination may stimulate nagalase production and trigger chronic autoimmune disorders. Nagalase is an enzyme produced from viruses and cancer cells which inhibit GcMAF, an essential protein for vitamin D synthesis and macrophages activation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GcMAF
 

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Re: Are vaccinations necessary?
« Reply #12 on: 10/04/2016 20:04:45 »
Vaccination may stimulate nagalase production and trigger chronic autoimmune disorders. Nagalase is an enzyme produced from viruses and cancer cells which inhibit GcMAF, an essential protein for vitamin D synthesis and macrophages activation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GcMAF
The page you cited does not mention autoimmune diseases and thus can not support your assertion.
Do you actually have evidence, or is it just something you picked up on a conspiracy theory site?



 

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Re: Are vaccinations necessary?
« Reply #13 on: 10/04/2016 20:47:05 »
The page you cited does not mention autoimmune diseases and thus can not support your assertion.
Do you actually have evidence, or is it just something you picked up on a conspiracy theory site?

Nagalase is an intrinsic component of the protein envelope of viruses, thus I propose vaccination may
stimulate nagalase production in vivo and trigger autoimmune diseases:

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It is reasonable and likely that the nature of the immune dysfunction and the frequently observed autoimmune problems in autism are mediated by persistent, unresolved viral infections.


http://www.ageofautism.com/2011/10/dr-bradstreet-nagalase-and-the-viral-issue-in-autism.html

 

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