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#### jccc

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##### Re: why does water form a ball shape on the international space station?
« Reply #25 on: 08/07/2015 17:03:24 »
in a hydrogen atom, there's 1 electron and 1 proton.

there is only 1 force f=k x 1x1/r^2.

what equation is hard to solve? what is that equation based on?

#### wolfekeeper

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##### Re: why does water form a ball shape on the international space station?
« Reply #26 on: 08/07/2015 17:12:11 »
It's been solved for hydrogen, but solving it for the other elements cannot be done exactly. Solving it for molecules is more challenging still. The difficulty is the QM wave equation; it's more or less infinite dimensional in many cases.

Anyway, we're straying off topic.

#### alancalverd

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##### Re: why does water form a ball shape on the international space station?
« Reply #27 on: 08/07/2015 17:14:32 »
in a hydrogen atom, there's 1 electron and 1 proton.

there is only 1 force f=k x 1x1/r^2.

what equation is hard to solve? what is that equation based on?

Wrong.

Since your equation does not describe the observed hydrogen atom, it clearly isn't correct. You will find that the equations of quantum mechanics are a much better fit to reality.

#### wolfekeeper

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##### Re: why does water form a ball shape on the international space station?
« Reply #28 on: 08/07/2015 17:33:14 »
That is actually pretty much a good equation for the force, but you have to stick it into the wave equation to solve it. If you try to use it in the context of Newtonian mechanics it goes seriously bad- all atoms would be radiating EM radiation like crazy till they essentially formed minuscule black holes and all molecules would fall apart; this was known in the late 19th century, it wasn't till QM was invented that they came up with a reason why that doesn't happen.

#### jccc

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##### Re: why does water form a ball shape on the international space station?
« Reply #29 on: 08/07/2015 18:24:57 »
what reason? please be precise in science.

what reason make electron standing waving around the proton?

what reason keeps 2 particles under 10^40 g attraction force without stick together?

#### gazza711

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##### Re: why does water form a ball shape on iss?
« Reply #30 on: 08/07/2015 18:39:36 »
Water creates itself into a ball shape on iss?why?
It's actually the same reason that bubbles do.

The surface of the ball has surface tension, and that compresses the ball; the trick is; it turns out that the smaller the ball, the sharper the curvature, and so the higher the pressure inside it caused by surface tension.

So let's take an example, suppose you break the ball into two, with one bigger than the other.

Now touch them into each other, what's going to happen? The smaller ball is higher pressure, so it will decant itself, really quickly, into the bigger one, and the smaller one will shrink and the bigger one will grow until it's just one big ball.

Similar things happen with smaller distortions, basically, the ball hates sharp curvatures, because that implies higher pressure, so the sharp curvature areas rapidly get the water squeezed out of them, and they disappear until it's all the same curvature/pressure.

p.s. everything everyone else is saying in this thread is basically true as well, they're looking at it from a very high level view; what I've given is the worms-eye view of what's happening.

p.p.s. there's a table of pressures versus radius (of curvature) here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface_tension#Surface_curvature_and_pressure
So if u placed 10 more bubbles each injected to the centre of the last,and a grain of sand in the centre of that,the grain would stay there.i deffo look from the worms eye view.

#### wolfekeeper

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##### Re: why does water form a ball shape on the international space station?
« Reply #31 on: 08/07/2015 18:44:53 »
what reason? please be precise in science.

what reason make electron standing waving around the proton?

what reason keeps 2 particles under 10^40 g attraction force without stick together?
Electrons aren't exactly particles, they're mostly more like waves at this scale.

It turns out that there's a connection between the wavelength, and the energy/mass, so to have a smaller wavelength, the lightweight electrons would need a lot more kinetic energy, but then the atom couldn't hold onto them, it would be too much kinetic energy. So the electron wave is always much bigger than the heavier nucleus; and that discrepancy allows the electron to interact with multiple nuclei and form molecules and... skin effect is another result.

#### jccc

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##### Re: why does water form a ball shape on the international space station?
« Reply #32 on: 08/07/2015 18:48:42 »
that's pretty precise.

you are right, i am wrong.

Thanks!

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##### Re: why does water form a ball shape on the international space station?
« Reply #32 on: 08/07/2015 18:48:42 »