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Of course the question in that form is absurd. It violates conservation laws. However, can extremely intense time dilation convert 'real' particles into 'virtual' ones that will then become quantum fluctuations in the vacuum?


 

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Re: Would extreme time dilation make matter disappear?
« Reply #1 on: 10/09/2015 08:26:19 »
Time is not an entity of matter but relative measure of it's speed of relative motion...
You can dilute a mixture of particle with water, for example,  but diluting time makes no sense...
Energy is the measure of size of motion of matter...
Both are extremely useful abstract mathematical quantities...
 

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Re: Would extreme time dilation make matter disappear?
« Reply #2 on: 10/09/2015 22:19:05 »
If we look into a frame of reference from a remote position that is almost at the event horizon of a black hole then time appears to stop from the exterior perspective. Meaning that from the viewpoint of unaffected observers the energy flux in that region is slowing down. From this viewpoint these particles may as well be perturbations of the vacuum. The energy observed will be small enough in magnitude.

EDIT: It may be that the most efficient entropy sink is the vacuum itself.
 

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Re: Would extreme time dilation make matter disappear?
« Reply #3 on: 11/09/2015 05:37:08 »
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Time is not an entity of matter but relative measure of it's speed of relative motion...
There's more to time than just motion. You could have a frame of reference in which nothing was moving in which things were changing with time, such as a digital clock. The numbers on the face of the clock change and we can ignore what's going on inside the clock. All there is to describe is the changing of the digits changing.

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...but diluting time makes no sense...
What do you mean by that? Surely you don't mean that time dilation is not a reality? If you're not familiar with time dilation then see http://home.comcast.net/~peter.m.brown/sr/time_dilation.htm
« Last Edit: 11/09/2015 05:40:12 by PmbPhy »
 

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Re: Would extreme time dilation make matter disappear?
« Reply #4 on: 11/09/2015 05:41:11 »
Of course the question in that form is absurd. It violates conservation laws. However, can extremely intense time dilation convert 'real' particles into 'virtual' ones that will then become quantum fluctuations in the vacuum?
The answer to Would extreme time dilation make matter disappear? is no. There's no reason for it to.
 

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Re: Would extreme time dilation make matter disappear?
« Reply #5 on: 11/09/2015 08:14:31 »
SR theory time definition is different from reality... In SR it is a property of gravitational field and in classical physics and reality is is a property of motion of matter in space...
 

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Re: Would extreme time dilation make matter disappear?
« Reply #6 on: 11/09/2015 10:19:53 »
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SR theory time definition is different from reality...
Special relativity *IS* reality. I.e. its the theory which describes the kinematics and dynamics in classical mechanics. It also describes dictates the kinds of laws which are allowed in nature, i.e. the ones which independent of the frame of reference.

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In SR it is a property of gravitational field and in classical physics and reality is is a property of motion of matter in space...
SR cannot be a property of a gravitational field because a theory (SR) can't be a property. Also SR pertains only to areas where there are no gravitational fields present. That's what the "special" in "special relativity" means. To be specific SR is the theory of classical mechanics at all speeds in which the frame of reference one is considering is inertial and the spacetime is flat.
 

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Re: Would extreme time dilation make matter disappear?
« Reply #7 on: 11/09/2015 10:42:32 »
Where does it say that SR is a property?
Problem understanding English?
 

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Re: Would extreme time dilation make matter disappear?
« Reply #8 on: 11/09/2015 11:08:15 »
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Where does it say that SR is a property?
Problem understanding English?
Rude much?

I mistook "SR it is a property of gravitational field " with "SR is a property of gravitational field". I'm not sure why I thought it was this way. Probably due to your poor writing skills. I.e. "SR theory time definition is different from reality..." is an extremely poor way to write "In the special theory of relativity the definition of time is different from reality". Nobody writes "time definition". They write "The definition of time."


In any case you're quite out there claiming that the definition of time in SR is different from reality. The definition of time does not change from one theory to another. The definition is the same all through classical and quantum physics.

By the way, both special and general relativity fall under the classification of Classical Physics contrary to your assertion otherwise.
 

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Re: Would extreme time dilation make matter disappear?
« Reply #9 on: 11/09/2015 12:27:15 »
Any citations to backup your claims?
 

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Re: Would extreme time dilation make matter disappear?
« Reply #10 on: 11/09/2015 16:00:43 »
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Any citations to backup your claims?
Observations which that simple don't need experiments and for that reason citations don't exist. Time is linear upon a simple observation of the world around you. Asking for a citation for it is analogous to asking for a reference to experiments which demonstrate that wheels exist on cars.
 

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Re: Would extreme time dilation make matter disappear?
« Reply #11 on: 11/09/2015 18:16:45 »
SR theory time definition is different from reality... In SR it is a property of gravitational field and in classical physics and reality is is a property of motion of matter in space...

Relativity is a description of reality, and by experiment it turns out to be a better description than nonrelativistic mechanics.
 

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