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Re: Can we construct this?
« Reply #50 on: 21/11/2015 01:02:20 »
“Legitimate freedom fighter” - who is this?
Way off topic, but a good question. When the mujahadeen were fighting the soviet army in Afghanistan, they were legitimate freedom fighters - otherwise the USA would not have supplied them with intelligence and weapons. Of course as soon as they won, they became fanatical oppressors - otherwise the USA would not have sent soldiers in to fight them. Quite unlike the IRA, who were disgraceful terrorists until they won seats in a power-sharing executive in Stormont, and are now respectable politicians. Chechen rebels, Che Guevara, Mao Tse-Tung, and indeed almost anyone who promotes a political ideal with a gun, may be a legitimate freedom fighter or murderous scum depending on the prevailing fashion among the chattering classes.

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By the way, where does such awareness of “legitimate freedom fighters”, their arms and even about their dreams come from?
Newspapers, radio, television, and occasional conversations with earth people including some who have fought with and against such individuals.

It now seems that the Metropolitan Police are apologising for infiltrating ecological protest groups. My advice to a budding transport engineer is not to allow politicians to switch your vehicles on or off.   
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Re: Can we construct this?
« Reply #51 on: 21/11/2015 01:05:54 »
This being said, the speculations concerning the allegedly excessively high aerodynamic drag actually look pretty prejudiced, nonobjective,
No, they come from elementary textbooks on aerodynamics. In the immortal words of Scotty "Ye canna fight the laws of physics, Captain."
 

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Re: Can we construct this?
« Reply #52 on: 21/11/2015 10:34:48 »
Back to road engineering for a moment. A Routemaster bus is narrower (2.44m) and carries up to 72 passengers. That's 18 times as many people in only 3.5 times the road space. Seems like a better solution, and you can buy one today. Some even have wi-fi!
 

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Re: Can we construct this?
« Reply #53 on: 21/11/2015 18:26:01 »
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“Legitimate freedom fighter” - who is this?
Way off topic, but a good question. When the mujahadeen were fighting the soviet army in Afghanistan, they were legitimate freedom fighters - otherwise the USA would not have supplied them with intelligence and weapons. Of course as soon as they won, they became fanatical oppressors - otherwise the USA would not have sent soldiers in to fight them. Quite unlike the IRA, who were disgraceful terrorists until they won seats in a power-sharing executive in Stormont, and are now respectable politicians. Chechen rebels, Che Guevara, Mao Tse-Tung, and indeed almost anyone who promotes a political ideal with a gun, may be a legitimate freedom fighter or murderous scum depending on the prevailing fashion among the chattering classes.

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By the way, where does such awareness of “legitimate freedom fighters”, their arms and even about their dreams come from?
Newspapers, radio, television, and occasional conversations with earth people including some who have fought with and against such individuals.

It now seems that the Metropolitan Police are apologising for infiltrating ecological protest groups. My advice to a budding transport engineer is not to allow politicians to switch your vehicles on or off.
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Children can afford thinking such a way.
However, growing up, you realize that the world is becoming less compatible and increasingly close – mistakes made by people in one place, have a strong impact on other areas.
The more urgent becomes the creation of systems in which the role of human factor will be minimized. To such systems belongs undoubtedly the Urbamobile Transportation System!
It is a pity that instead of discussing ways of gradual introduction of this invention and urgent places of its application on the Earth, the opponent enough only for ironic comments.
 

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Re: Can we construct this?
« Reply #54 on: 21/11/2015 22:15:45 »
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This being said, the speculations concerning the allegedly excessively high aerodynamic drag actually look pretty prejudiced, nonobjective,
No, they come from elementary textbooks on aerodynamics. In the immortal words of Scotty "Ye canna fight the laws of physics, Captain."

No. Unfortunately, - as said the hero of another series - “You just don't know how to count, our little Generalissimo ...”.
If by the time when must be born Scotty people stubbornly do not accept the new because they just don't understand it, we will have no “star treks” but will sit on Earth in a very long, endless traffic jam - literally and figuratively.
 

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Re: Can we construct this?
« Reply #55 on: 21/11/2015 23:44:41 »
It is a pity that instead of discussing ways of gradual introduction of this invention and urgent places of its application on the Earth,
And there you have shown another weakness. You can't gradually introduce a product that is incompatible with everything else on the road. Take a simple, passive annoyance like a speed hump. The regulation height is 10 cm, so a 10 cm  ground clearance will just suffice as long as the vehicle has absolutely rigid suspension and solid tyres - most uncomfortable. With the diamond layout you show for the wheelbase, you can't avoid hitting the speed hump,so the whole machine will oscillate vertically and scrape its bottom on the hump.

Since the urbamobile has colllision avoidance, how does it manage in heavy traffic? Does it nudge its way forward until it is almost touching the vehicle in front? OK, let's allow that. Now the bloke in front realises that there's a problem - there's an ambulance or police car trying to cross the traffic flow, so he decides to reverse. Does the urbamobile reverse too, or does it think the bloke in front is deliberately trying to ram you (it makes a good fake insurance claim) and just sit tight and call the police? So let's try something different: in slow traffic we will stay 1 metre behind the car in front. Now a pedestrian walks into that space: do we try to reverse to retain 1 m clearance? How does the machine know the difference between stationary traffic (1 m clearance) and parking (no clearance required if the vehicle in front is an urbamobile, but 30cm is a minimum if the guy in front wants to unpark an ordinary car).       

Now let's move to an ordinary road. Some twit has just overtaken the urbamobile and wants to pull in ahead of it. How does the urbamobile know this? Does it always give way? There's an ambulance coming towards us on the other side of the road: common sense tells me to give way and let the overtaker in quickly even if he isn't signalling that intention: does the urbamobile slow down every tme someone goes past, just in case he might need to pull in? That really won't please the people behind, will it?   

But before we get to these engineering questions, you still haven't answered the basic ones: will the machine be privately owned, rented for the journey, or what?

So far, all you have shown us is a picture of something that looks like the disabled toilet on a train, told us that it is the answer to a problem that we don't actually have, and ignored the fact that there are better machines already in use. Now you want everyone to make way for it. That's no way to sell a product. 
 

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Re: Can we construct this?
« Reply #56 on: 23/11/2015 12:41:53 »
Back to road engineering for a moment. A Routemaster bus is narrower (2.44m) and carries up to 72 passengers. That's 18 times as many people in only 3.5 times the road space. Seems like a better solution, and you can buy one today. Some even have wi-fi!

Do not worry, Scotty. There are more «Seems like a better solution». For example, a double-deck railway wagon of a train.
Reasonable and responsible person here: At the same time,
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I would like to take this opportunity to remind both new and old members to read the forum acceptable use policy, wherein we state:

In the scientific discussion we should not be like some “legitimate freedom fighters” who know how to break, but do not know how to make.
We shouldn’t reason about what else could be said or suggested simply for debates going on.
We should worry about what else must be said or suggested so that as many as possible people could really participate in making the world better. For example, - by supporting in every possible way the popularization of the idea of a speedy replacement of cars by Urbamobiles and full and widespread transition to application of Urbamobile Transportation System.
After all, neither car, nor bus, nor railway, nor any other modern transport can provide people with such advantages and opportunities that are offered and are given by the Urbamobile.
 

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Re: Can we construct this?
« Reply #57 on: 24/11/2015 23:53:09 »
After all, neither car, nor bus, nor railway, nor any other modern transport can provide people with such advantages and opportunities that are offered and are given by the Urbamobile.
So far, you haven't shown any advantages or opportunities. You have drawn a large, clumsy and inefficient vehicle that is not compatible with other traffic, and told us nothing about who owns it, how it works, how much it costs....
 

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Re: Can we construct this?
« Reply #58 on: 25/11/2015 15:56:59 »
After all, neither car, nor bus, nor railway, nor any other modern transport can provide people with such advantages and opportunities that are offered and are given by the Urbamobile.
So far, you haven't shown any advantages or opportunities. You have drawn a large, clumsy and inefficient vehicle that is not compatible with other traffic, and told us nothing about who owns it, how it works, how much it costs....

… you haven't shown any advantages or opportunities. You have drawn....
- who do you mean by saying “You”? After all, it is obvious that EVERYONE is interested in speedy implementation of Urbamobile!

a large, clumsy and inefficient vehicle that is not compatible with other traffic
– and in this case what are you talking about? Surely it is obvious that it doesn’t and can’t apply to Urbamobile.

told us nothing about who owns it, how it works, how much it costs
All of the above questions are described and shown in detail on urbamobile.com.
 

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Re: Can we construct this?
« Reply #59 on: 26/11/2015 17:53:56 »
Posting under multiple names is against forum policy...



Please only post as Hoggart from now on, or you may risk being banned.
 

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« Reply #60 on: 26/11/2015 19:06:04 »
After all, it is obvious that EVERYONE is interested in speedy implementation
no, only yourself, however many psudonyms you may assume.  Certainly nobody else in this forum.
 

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Re: Can we construct this?
« Reply #61 on: 26/11/2015 19:18:26 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 24/11/2015 23:53:09

    a large, clumsy and inefficient vehicle that is not compatible with other traffic

– and in this case what are you talking about? Surely it is obvious that it doesn’t and can’t apply to Urbamobile.

Well, it takes up twice as much road space as a Smart Fortwo and requires five times the engine capacity to drive it, according to your figures. Which makes it large, clumsy and inefficient compared with a car that has been in fullscale production and sold around the world for the last 15 years. They have now sold over 1,500,000 units, including a narrower version to meet Japanese tax rules (see my posting some time back).

The Fiat 500, Mini, and a dozen other small cars, all substantially outperform the urbamobile in about the same amount of road space, and have sold umpteen millions since the 1960s.
 

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« Reply #62 on: 27/11/2015 18:00:39 »
Posting under multiple names is against forum policy...



Please only post as Hoggart from now on, or you may risk being banned.

My dear Watson!
I've also decided to scout out at leisure a little - and that's what I found out:

A good thing there was not enough impudence (or stupidity) to write “Please only post as Holmes from now on, or you may risk being banned.”
It wouldn’t have been good then!
Sincerely yours, Sherlock Holmes!
 

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Re: Can we construct this?
« Reply #63 on: 02/12/2015 20:56:01 »
Is it possible to implement smoking cessation with the ongoing sale of tobacco?
Is it possible to take measures to reduce alcohol consumption without introducing of the “dry law”?
Is it possible to fight the spread of drugs without strict punishment, including introducing the death penalty, for drug addiction and distribution of drugs?

AND IS IT REALLY NECESSARY TO DO SOMETHING, AT LEAST?

After all, some say, in particular:
the fact that more young adults die from a voluntary, pleasurable and economically useful activity than anything else is, if anything, a sign of a mature civilisation. 

So far we have not heard any arguments from which it would follow that the introduction of the Urbamobile is impossible.
The law - does not prohibit. Physics - allows. Calculations - make it impossible to deny.
If the ground clearance is small, it will be difficult to drive...
No problem, - the ground clearance can be increased!
And in order to stop the enslavement by cars, it is not so difficult to tolerate some temporary inconveniences.
I do not understand the other thing, - where are at least those few thousand readers that has got acquainted with information about Urbamobile, but -
REMAIN SILENT?
THE PLANET EARTH – OUR COMMON HOME – DIES – “BURNS”, AND YOU ARE REFUSING TO PARTICIPATE IN THE FIRE EXTINGUISHING, THINKING THAT DISTRIBUTION OF BUCKETS WITH WATER - IS SOMEONE’S “BUSINESS PROJECT”?
WAKE UP, PEOPLE!
BEFORE ALL IS NOT LOST!
 

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« Reply #64 on: 03/12/2015 00:23:51 »
Is it possible to implement smoking cessation with the ongoing sale of tobacco?
Is it possible to take measures to reduce alcohol consumption without introducing of the “dry law”?
Is it possible to fight the spread of drugs without strict punishment, including introducing the death penalty, for drug addiction and distribution of drugs?

AND IS IT REALLY NECESSARY TO DO SOMETHING, AT LEAST?

After all, some say, in particular:
the fact that more young adults die from a voluntary, pleasurable and economically useful activity than anything else is, if anything, a sign of a mature civilisation. 

So far we have not heard any arguments from which it would follow that the introduction of the Urbamobile is impossible.
The law - does not prohibit. Physics - allows. Calculations - make it impossible to deny.
If the ground clearance is small, it will be difficult to drive...
No problem, - the ground clearance can be increased!
And in order to stop the enslavement by cars, it is not so difficult to tolerate some temporary inconveniences.
I do not understand the other thing, - where are at least those few thousand readers that has got acquainted with information about Urbamobile, but -
REMAIN SILENT?
THE PLANET EARTH – OUR COMMON HOME – DIES – “BURNS”, AND YOU ARE REFUSING TO PARTICIPATE IN THE FIRE EXTINGUISHING, THINKING THAT DISTRIBUTION OF BUCKETS WITH WATER - IS SOMEONE’S “BUSINESS PROJECT”?
WAKE UP, PEOPLE!
BEFORE ALL IS NOT LOST!

I don't think anyone here is saying that it would be impossible to manufacture and use a vehicle as described above. The consensus, however, appears to be that there has not been any evidence presented to show that it would be significantly better (or even as good as) currently employed technologies...
 

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Re: Can we construct this?
« Reply #65 on: 05/12/2015 03:53:06 »
In case you actually can build it I wish you success. But friend it will take a while until the common class society will be receptive to drive a top-hat like car!
 

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« Reply #66 on: 05/12/2015 10:16:42 »
Is it possible to implement smoking cessation with the ongoing sale of tobacco?
Is it possible to take measures to reduce alcohol consumption without introducing of the “dry law”?
Is it possible to fight the spread of drugs without strict punishment, including introducing the death penalty, for drug addiction and distribution of drugs?

All these have been tried and failed. Fact is that the law is incapable of preventing a fit, healthy, sane adult from killing himself by any means he wishes. It does, however, prevent anyone from helping a terminally sick patient from ending his life in a dignified manner and at a time of his own choosing.

But that is a matter for a different forum.
 

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« Reply #67 on: 05/12/2015 14:23:24 »
Is it possible to implement smoking cessation with the ongoing sale of tobacco?
Is it possible to take measures to reduce alcohol consumption without introducing of the “dry law”?
Is it possible to fight the spread of drugs without strict punishment, including introducing the death penalty, for drug addiction and distribution of drugs?

All these have been tried and failed. Fact is that the law is incapable of preventing a fit, healthy, sane adult from killing himself by any means he wishes. It does, however, prevent anyone from helping a terminally sick patient from ending his life in a dignified manner and at a time of his own choosing.

But that is a matter for a different forum.

Thank you that you are trying to understand the true meaning and idea of Urbamobile and the Urbamobile Transportation System.
It is a pity, however, that many people can not realize the above mentioned understanding properly.
Indeed, Urbamobile can and should drastically improve people's lives.
And to do that we have all the technological capacities available now.
At the same time – discussing the idea of Urbamobile – we should not analyze the extreme assumptions or emotional manifestations,
which are not in reality the necessary conditions for introduction and using of Urbamobile.
 

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Re: Can we construct this?
« Reply #68 on: 05/12/2015 15:08:23 »
Urbamobile can and should drastically improve people's lives.
Please explain how buying (renting? hiring?) a bigger, thirstier, aerodynamically unstable car that stops and starts when it wants to rather than when I want it to, is going to improve my life. Or anyone else's.   
 

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« Reply #69 on: 06/12/2015 14:44:27 »
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Urbamobile can and should drastically improve people's lives.
Please explain how buying (renting? hiring?) a bigger, thirstier, aerodynamically unstable car that stops and starts when it wants to rather than when I want it to, is going to improve my life. Or anyone else's.
“I have the advantage of knowing your habits, my dear Watson,” -
«a bigger, thirstier, aerodynamically unstable car that stops and starts when it wants to rather than when I want it to» - THAT IS a MODERN CAR IS, - of course can not «going to improve my life. Or anyone else's.»
Automobile (a car) - is a deadlock of transportation industry.
In fact, a car - is the same thing as an individual carriage or wagon, whose power (speed) and comfort (tonnage) is no sense to increase.
If you want not to waste time and want to feel comfortable in modern conditions, you need quite another.
You need to optimize using of space and computing capacity through automation and systematization.
But automobile (a car) is not intended for solving such tasks at all.
Therefore, a car may and must to be replaced on Urbamobile, - that is opposite intended for optimizing usage of space and computing capacity through automation and systematization.
That is why:
«Urbamobile can and should drastically improve people's lives.»
 

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« Reply #70 on: 06/12/2015 16:44:02 »
I give up. Your rhetoric is now completely incomprehensible and you have not shown how your proposed device can solve any actual problem that has not already been solved by Fiat, Mercedes, Daihatsu, G-Wizz, Messerschmitt,.....
 

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« Reply #71 on: 06/12/2015 18:21:05 »
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I give up. Your rhetoric is now completely incomprehensible and you have not shown how your proposed device can solve any actual problem that has not already been solved by Fiat, Mercedes, Daihatsu, G-Wizz, Messerschmitt,.....
«I give up.» - it is about yourself, obviously? Do not get excited! And it is not necessary to “give up” – Urbamobile is not an enemy!
«Your rhetoric is now completely incomprehensible» - whom do you mean in that case?
«you have not shown how your proposed device can solve any actual problem that has not already been solved by Fiat, Mercedes, Daihatsu, G-Wizz, Messerschmitt,.....» - and what do you mean saying so?
I once again urge all who care about our future, - carefully read the information on urbamobile.com.
And, please, try to understand, how important that information is.
And, at least, start thinking and not stay silent!
 

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Re: Can we construct this?
« Reply #72 on: 10/12/2015 13:49:11 »
I don't think anyone here is saying that it would be impossible to manufacture and use a vehicle as described above. The consensus, however, appears to be that there has not been any evidence presented to show that it would be significantly better (or even as good as) currently employed technologies...
And I think that neither you, nor your friends and colleagues who attribute to Urbamobile nonexistent shortcomings and completely ignore the available unique advantages of Urbamobile, nor many other readers of this forum have yet found time to get acquainted with the information about Urbamobile on urbamobile.com.
Or do you really think that at least even this:
is not the evidence that all those little cars of type “mini”, your colleague likes to extol, are in no way comparable with Urbamobile?

Or do you really think that at least even this:
is not the evidence that there are no – even hugely expensive – modern cars that are in any way comparable with Urbamobile?

Or do you really think that at least even this:
is not the evidence that Urbamobile is really the uncontested choice?

Also have a look at urbamobile.com, on indiegogo.com/projects/urbamobile-replaces-the-car--2#!
Stop talking nonsense “just to keep the conversation alive”, for example:
- about the “tons of CO2”, which during the manufacturing process of Urbamobile in reality could not be emitted in bigger quantities than during the manufacturing process of those little cars of type “mini”, not to mention the other cars;
- about some incredible “space on the road”, which in reality is less needed for Urbamobile than for those little cars of type “mini”, not to mention the other cars;
- about some “enormous aerodynamic drag”, which reduction for Urbamobile is very easy, and, in fact, even for the proposed model of Urbamobile it is much smaller than it is counted by those that don’t know how to count properly;
- about some supposedly obstructive to anything and everything, but in reality – only proposed for consideration as a possible option - a “small ground clearance” of 0.1 m, the size of which for Urbamobile – is an absolutely nonessential conditionality;
- about some supposedly “inextricable” difficulties with the operation of Urbamobile on initial stages of implementation, along with cars,
although in reality -
THERE IS NOT ONE USEFUL QUALITY AVAILABLE FOR THE CAR THAT IS NOT EVEN MORE AVAILABLE FOR URBAMOBILE!
but - for those who after all will got acquainted with the information on urbamobile.com or at least on indiegogo.com/projects/urbamobile-replaces-the-car--2#   –
it must be absolutely clear, also that
CAR, ANY OTHER TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM AND ANY OTHER MODERN TRANSPORT TECHNOLOGIES, ARE IN ANY WAY COMPARABLE TO THE UNIQUE ADVANTAGES PROVIDED BY URBAMOBILE AND URBAMOBILE TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM!
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