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The very BAD Problem *The Earth is fighting*
« on: 30/01/2004 20:20:24 »
Has anyone ever heard of the Aral Sea? The shoreline is now 40Km from the actual dock.
http://www.redtailcanyon.com/items/15603.aspx pictures [nofollow]

Why is our earth(your part of the earth) temperatures dropping below the "normal" cold temperatures & heating above the "normal" hot temperatures?

What are WE ALL doing wrong?

Can we still pollute, use up our resources, and SMILE?

How selfish are you? How much do you take and not give. Do you help out this inbalance crisis?

NEXT YEAR what new species will die and what dead animal will ocean shore bring upon the beach shore?

When will you care to help conserve and use less NOW OR WAIT UNTIL you have NO WATER for YOUR LOVED ONES?

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« Reply #1 on: 30/01/2004 20:22:38 »
What do you do daily to help?  Do you waste water, leave lights on. Liter?  Do you spit carelessly, do you have very lazy manners.  Do you waste paper?  Do you not care about the evironment to stuck into your own world to care?  If you do care that's great but help others care.  Time is now don't put if off till tomorrow.  If you overlook this now tomorrow the ozone layer will be depleted.  Don't BE APATHETIC!!!
 

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« Reply #2 on: 01/02/2004 17:55:02 »
I wouldn't worry too much about the Earth...if Nature gets tired of us fouling the place up, she'll gladly wipe us out.  I'm more worried about the other forms of life, ourselves included.  

Besides, aren't a lot of the temperature changes considered to be part of a normal cycle that we just happened to notice for the first time now that we're all technically advanced?  (But I'm right there with you on the topic of pollution)

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« Reply #3 on: 02/02/2004 03:01:19 »
I don't have any doubt that human activity is causing noticeable and probably significant changes in the atmosphere and the climate.  Is the change going to be as devastating as some want us to believe?  I doubt it.

I also doubt that the conservation measures that are so vigorously put forth here and in most other places are going to make any difference whatsoever.  I hate to be cynical, but the recommendations are puny compared to the problem.  What will truly make people be more conservative is when the prices go up.  If something is cheap people will waste it.  If it is expensive, relative to their income level, they will conserve it and use it sparingly.


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« Reply #4 on: 03/02/2004 23:31:36 »
So you're saying you want gas prices to go up again, John?  :P

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« Reply #5 on: 04/02/2004 18:06:10 »
Personally I'm apalled at how wasteful our society is.  I try to recycle everything from clothes to plastic bags.  I make my own soaps and non-toxic cleaners (which actually work better than their commercial counterparts) and have left instructions for my body to be recycled when I die.  Many people think I'm extreme, I think I'm practical.  It took extreme irresponsibility to pollute the entire planet in roughly 100 years and now we NEED to be extremely responsible (every single one of us) to give Mother Earth enough breathing room to recover.

My worst contribution is the amount of driving that I do.  My next car will be something energy efficient; likely a hybrid.
 

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« Reply #6 on: 07/02/2004 07:40:18 »
It's true maybe the Arial sea would have dried up eventually.  I do think so.  But with human intervention it's drying up sooner.  Maybe the problem is big, but even the smallest little contribution is BIG!  Awaken a person to the beauty of nature and you will effect mother nature.  As long as you contribute and remind others.  Help others see and remind those that see to help others.  Everything counts no matter how big or small it is.
 

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« Reply #7 on: 12/02/2004 14:19:10 »
What we need is everyone to sign the Kyoto protocol, and stop being so economically minded ...

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« Reply #8 on: 13/02/2004 01:11:48 »
Yeah, because we all know the leaders of the major polluting countries care more about the environment than they do about money.

/sarcasm

We're being so damn cautious not to contaminate Mars but yet we foul the air, water, and land here without a second thought.  Oh, the irony.



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« Reply #9 on: 13/02/2004 14:23:55 »
Signing the Kyoto protocol would be a step in the right direction... it also may help if americans stopped driving around in cars with 6 litre engines!!!

On the other side of things... yes i believe we are part responsible for the general changing of the planet... but don't jump on the bandwagon too quickly, our planet has been through hot and dry periods before, such as during the Devonian so yes lets try and save energy but try not to panic too much! It won't be long till fuels like oil run low and it'll force industry to look at alternative ideas for fuel!!!

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« Reply #10 on: 13/02/2004 21:10:48 »
Bin, I thought you were only into destruction!


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« Reply #11 on: 13/02/2004 21:20:35 »
Donnah, I agree that we all need to be extremely good to try an undo some of the damage.  However, to be pragmatic, human nature being the base thing that it is, things are not going to significantly change until the economics of the situation change.

And, no I don't want gas prices to go up again.  But I don't have any sympathy for the folks driving their V-8 SUVs.  My next car is likely to be a hybrid, but I'm kind of waiting for the technology to mature a little.

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« Reply #12 on: 13/02/2004 21:43:25 »
John, I had to chuckle at the programmer coming out in you (/Rant).  What language do you use?  It's not C or your comment would be //rant.

Either the economics need to change or people en mass need to comprehend that money is a means to an end, not an end in itself.  There also needs to be a major shift in priorities, but that might have to wait until we run out of clean air and water (duh, let's wait 'till the car hits us before we move).
 

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Re: The very BAD Problem *The Earth is fighting*
« Reply #13 on: 14/02/2004 16:07:03 »
Last week there were trials with the navette, the mini free bus that goes around centre-ville, which was electric. I don't think it was electric with fuel cells lol but it's a step in the right direction anyway :)

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« Reply #14 on: 15/02/2004 03:57:01 »
Donnah,
Do you think people en mass will ever comprehend anything that doesn't hit them?  I'm an eternal pessimist and believe that people will change when they are forced to change.

And, I do program in C.  And SQL and Unix korn shell.  C++ uses the //comment format.  In C it's /* comment */  The /Rant comes from then "end tag" notation in XML and HTML though.  

I am one, but I hate being called a programmer.  I'd much rather be an engineer, but I don't want to take the starring role in my own version of "Dilbert" (been there - done that - got the coffee mug :) ).


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« Reply #15 on: 22/02/2004 10:17:15 »
hi pencilhead
pollution the major problem for spoiling our environ. this can be controlled by using the resources in an efficient way, like using the solar energy insted of fossil fuels, and many more, using nature products than plastic products.
 

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« Reply #16 on: 23/02/2004 10:22:32 »
Haha tweener - Dilbert ! I love that comic strip, he's so funny. Dogbert's the best.

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« Reply #17 on: 23/02/2004 19:16:19 »
I love the strip too.  But I hate working in a job where I can contribute to the content in a major way.  I once had a manager that made the pointy-hair guy look pretty darn good!


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« Reply #18 on: 24/02/2004 00:57:23 »
I have to agree with most of the previous posts, and I am glad to find a forum that discusses these problems (and I've been looking).

Pollution is a subject close to my heart and I have taken a keen interest since childhood. One of the only things I have managed to work out is that there are more contributory problems than it seems.
Also I havenít heard many solutions. There's an idea that if governments subsidised the installation of solar panels on every roof in a country, it would rid the need of power stations. However this fails to take into account that if we started to make more demands of our silica industry we would run out in a fairly short space of time, and at the same time cripple our computer industries.
One of the other major problems that I think will have to be faced is over population. Part of our world is struggling with trying to manage the amounts of people we have, most of them crammed into cities with a socially declining environment.
The other is that we have dumped so much crap and chemicals into the seas that we might lose a lot of the life in the seas. This will probably have knock on effects. And drinking water will probably become an important issue.
However we may find solace in organic compounds, finding organic substances that can be grown in structured forms that can work as transistors. Nanotechnology working towards producing usable substance in usable formats out of resources that have the right atomic makeup and can be easily grown. But if it all fails maybe cannabinoid is right, and nature will decide to wipe the slate clean and start again.
However I am only young, and maybe I will see the great change, from working out how to needlessly destroy to working out how to carefully create.


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« Reply #19 on: 24/02/2004 18:53:37 »
We are in an "arms race" to keep our standard of living to a livable level by means of technology.  If we humans fail in this race, Mother Nature will most assuredly wipe the slate and try again.  And the whole of human existence and failure won't even take the blink of an eye in geological terms.  Something to think about.


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« Reply #20 on: 25/02/2004 08:58:39 »
I thought the drying up of Aral sea was initially caused by the improper irrigation method used by the local villagers. Am I right? Or is this for a different case study?

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« Reply #21 on: 25/02/2004 19:52:02 »
I heard that the Aral sea depletion is due toa regional desertification trend.  Theories about why this is happening include the improper irrigation techniques used over the past 4000 years, over the entire central and southern european region.  Mostly, the irrigation has put a lot of salt in the ground, therby reducing the fertility and the vegatative cover.  This in turn has led to reduced rainfall because the albedo is higher and there is less moisture in the air available to precipitate.

I haven't read much on this lately, so the theories may have changed some.  Also, the climate models also show that some of the effect may be caused by more distant things such as changing ocean temperatures and currents.  No one really knows for sure just how accurate all this is because there are few or no direct observations beyond the last 100 years or so.   Some of the effects are most likely caused by human activity and some are most likely not.  

The climate (do not confuse climate and weather) of the earth is changing.  It has always been changing, even well before humans were invented.  So, as much as humans don't like change, we must get used to it, and we should accept it to some degree.

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« Reply #22 on: 11/01/2005 14:21:55 »
If the climate changes it might trigger a global warming. Ice sheets will melt in the North and South Pole causing the sea level to rise tremendosely. In the next 100 years,the Earth's surface will warm by 3 degree C and will cause sea level to rise at least half a metre.
 

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« Reply #23 on: 20/01/2005 03:50:22 »
I've idly pondered the idea that maybe there's a natural safety feature built in to the earth.  Maybe there's not enough fossil fuel for us to wipe ourselves out that way, not enough uranium for us to blow ourselves up atomically, and so on.  What do y'all think?

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« Reply #24 on: 24/01/2005 10:17:46 »
Might be useles some people dont care weather global warming is triggered. Until it happens......
 

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