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Offline Ercole

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« Reply #25 on: 26/01/2005 06:26:49 »
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Originally posted by Predator_X

If the climate changes it might trigger a global warming. Ice sheets will melt in the North and South Pole causing the sea level to rise tremendosely. In the next 100 years,the Earth's surface will warm by 3 degree C and will cause sea level to rise at least half a metre.



Might trigger the shut down of the ocean strean that bring Europeans some nice weather...

newbielink:http://www.whoi.edu/institutes/occi/currenttopics/climatechange_wef.html [nonactive]

"The day after", at least the beginning of the movie, is based on this theory - anyway it did happen before MANY times
 

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« Reply #26 on: 12/12/2009 02:07:29 »
Donnah - You wrote: "Maybe there's not enough fossil fuel for us to wipe ourselves out that way, not enough uranium for us to blow ourselves up atomically, and so on.  What do y'all think?"

All fossil fuels were deposited by a very life prolific planet.  At one time CO2 was 2,500 ppm and dynosaurs and other life flourished. I believe it is simple human conceit that we are so so important, one way or the other. After all, during Roman times Britain exported wine when CO2 was less then now.

As for Uranium? It is harmless enough unless concentrated and used as an explosive. Iran seems intent on concentrating Uranium. How bad could that be?  Well, Iran is a religous state that specifically reiterates again and again that nuclear war with Israel would destroy the Jews, but only damage Islam.  Perhaps they are just kidding.....
 

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« Reply #27 on: 12/12/2009 06:15:17 »
The post you addressed was from January of 2005. Why would you dig up a 5 year old thread to say the same things you've already been saying accross 56 other threads?
 

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« Reply #28 on: 12/12/2009 12:26:41 »
Indeed! The psychology of Litespeed is strange thing to behold!
I can only assume that he must spend an inordinate amount of time looking for new targets to try and undermine with his particular brand of denial-ism.
 

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« Reply #29 on: 16/12/2009 21:40:41 »
madi - peppercorn RE: '[litespeeds] particular brand of denial-ism.'

My particular brand of denialism is to simply point out CO2 emissions will continue to climb regardless of all these silly silly international meetings. For instance,

"Barack Obama, understanding the histrionics required in climate-change debates, promises that U.S. emissions in 2050 will be 83 percent below 2005 levels. If so, 2050 emissions will equal those in 1910, when there were 92 million Americans. But there will be 420 million Americans in 2050, so Obama's promise means that per capita emissions then will be about what they were in 1875. That. Will. Not. Happen." http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/will120609.php3

And of course both China and India are not included anyway. I read someplace that China builds two or three coal plants per week. So get over it. Accept reality. Make other plans if you you need to.  But CO2 will continue to climb, probably for the next century or more. It Is An Inconvenient Truth.

And as far as I can tell, it will hardly make a dimes worth of difference anyway. Besides, warmer is better then colder.  Incidentally, I watched a worthwhile TV show on the Permian extinction. Apparently the massive and continuous magma flows from the Siberian traps took 40,000 years or so to raise temperatures by five degrees. That then, perhaps, raised ocean temps enough to melt methane hydrates over a period of another 10,000 years or so that raised temps another 5 degrees C.

The permian extinction event lasted 80,000 years. Recently, ocean temperatures may actually be cooling. Further, the atmospheric temperature is well within the range variability in human historic times. Which, I must point out, followed a massive Ice Age that made much of the Northern Hemisphere uninhabitable.

So I admit to perplexity of the climate faithful.  They SHOULD know their pathetic Kyoto and Copenhaggen meetings are nothing more then CO2 emitting party fests. Six liter SUV's look like party balloons compared to a 100 new coal plants in China every year. And the Goracles private jet makes Six liter SUV look like Honda 50 mopeds. But like the flagelants of Midieval Europe they develop neuroses over what sort of laundry dryer is best.





 

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« Reply #30 on: 17/12/2009 16:23:56 »
I thought the drying up of Aral sea was initially caused by the improper irrigation method used by the local villagers. Am I right? Or is this for a different case study?

Angel
I understand that you are kind of right - water from rivers that otherwise would have reached the Aral sea - is used for the irrigation of cotton. I vaugely recall that there was a Soviet era plan to divert rivers running northwards through Siberia to run southwards to refill the sea. 
 

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« Reply #31 on: 18/12/2009 19:57:52 »
Donnah - You wrote: "I've idly pondered the idea that maybe there's a natural safety feature built in to the earth."

Your pondering may be idle but mental clarity is exactly on point. For instance, our magnificent climatologist can't explain recent cooling. Perhaps their models did not include the Topical Pacific Heat Vent. Perhaps if they were to recover all their missplaced data we would know if they have done so or not.

"ScienceDaily (Mar. 6, 2001) — The tropical Pacific Ocean may be able to open a "vent" in its heat-trapping cirrus cloud cover and release enough energy into space to significantly diminish the projected climate warming caused by a buildup of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2001/03/010301072351.htm

Further, there are both known and unknown variables. Even our 'climatologists' tell us it is a new science. However, one of the known but unquantified variables is deep ocean volcanic activity. The entire planet is stitched together like a giant baseball along mid - ocean ridges from which the continents expand largely through high temperature lava flows.

1) I would like to know whether anyone has studied ocean volcanic variability. Volcanism on land varies; dramatically at times. Why would this not be the case in the deep oceans.

2) How much direct heating takes place? After all, all the oceans seem to be sitting on one very large hot plate. We have all seen films of Black Smokers, and red hot magma pouring out under the water where it eventually solidifies. etc etc

3) Also, how much CO2 does this hot plate emit, and where does it go?
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« Reply #32 on: 27/09/2011 04:43:17 »
There is no question about it -- human activity has significantly changed our atmosphere. The one certain thing in the climate change debate is the hugely increased level of carbon dioxide.

We have 400,000 years of well established fossil record in Greenland and Antarctic ice. Carbon dioxide levels have been around 190-220 parts per million during 4 ice ages, and 260-280 parts per million during 4 warmer interglacial periods.

It has taken us less than 200 years to move that level from 280 to 390 parts per million, and the level is increasing by more than 1 ppm per year. Carbon dioxide levels are now 40% higher than at any time in the last 400,000 years!

Our best atmospheric scientists are telling us that increasing levels of carbon dioxide are likely to lead to catastrophic climate change. They are probably right; I do not know; there is a minute chance that they may be wrong. But I do know that you do not fiddle with any natural system at this 40% level without some sort of drastic consequence.

I am Damocles. I see the sword there, dangling above all of our heads. It is not really a problem for me -- I am old enough and unwell enough that I will not have to wear its consequences. But I fear greatly for my much-loved grandchildren.
 

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« Reply #33 on: 27/09/2011 05:20:21 »
I share your concern Damocles. Whether we like it or not, we are rolling the dice for future generations by conducting one gigantic, uncontrolled, and potentially extremely dangerous, experiment on our planet.

Would we let our children do a science experiment if we thought it would probably kill them? 
 

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« Reply #34 on: 30/09/2011 00:05:57 »
:) Heh, we are quite sane here.

Doesn't mean that the naked scientist ever will win a popularity contest. Those that win does it on the observers ego, and upbringing.
 

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« Reply #35 on: 04/10/2011 02:02:53 »
Well if we are all kill along with most of the animals earth will move on. we are only 20 sec or 2 mins in all of earth in 20 min

We should try for a giant solar ring array like gundam did lol that would be to costly





but if those fossil fuel reach earths core it would of powered plate techs for a little bit longer
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« Reply #36 on: 18/10/2011 00:29:45 »
Been watching too much Top Gear Pencilhead?
"Do you spit carelessly, do you have very lazy manners.  Do you waste paper?"

Or maybe you just wanted to present us with your image of what those alleged 'environmentalists' are, in reality? As for the sea levels if 3 C warmer? As far as I know anything in between 10 to 20 meters. There are geological finds of seashells that we know live in a certain depth today, existing for a very long time, that has been found 20 meter above sea level. But we can't know for sure, as we never done this kind of global climate research before. And predicting a whole planets future is a hell of a lot harder than to look at the clouds and say 'it's gonna rain today'.
 

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