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Why are Green Apples Crunchier Than Red Ones ! ?
« on: 17/12/2006 19:51:35 »
I'm an OK Apple person...I should eat more but I don't

I often find green ones more 'tart ' than red ones so, why are green more tart and crispy ?

What is the difference in not just the skin but the flesh too ?

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Re: Why are Green Apples Crunchier Than Red Ones ! ?
« Reply #1 on: 17/12/2006 21:23:54 »
I also find green apples crunchier and more tart than red ones.
In fact I prefer them straight from the bottom of the fridge so they're as hard as cricket balls and taste like an acid sweet on your tongue.
Granny Smith's apples. Oh yes indeed.
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Re: Why are Green Apples Crunchier Than Red Ones ! ?
« Reply #2 on: 17/12/2006 21:25:11 »
No idea why they're more tart.
Possibly down to the acid content ?

 

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Re: Why are Green Apples Crunchier Than Red Ones ! ?
« Reply #3 on: 17/12/2006 22:04:49 »
Thats a good question and I can't answer it either!  I too prefer the Green ones for thier nice crisp tart flavor. I have some like a zesta apple that are wonderful also. Kinda green red striped very large apples. The tree did poorly this year, lots of apples, but they did not get a large as usual, actually they were pretty small in comparison! I also like big juicy crisp Macintosh they are delicious!
 

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Re: Why are Green Apples Crunchier Than Red Ones ! ?
« Reply #4 on: 17/12/2006 22:30:04 »
Thank You Heliotrope.

There is something to be said for the zingy attack of a tarty apple !!..Damn !!..some of them bitter ..it's like a 'hit '

brrrrrrrrrrrrrr !!!..straight form the fridge !!....zowwwwwwwweyyyyy !!
 

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Re: Why are Green Apples Crunchier Than Red Ones ! ?
« Reply #5 on: 17/12/2006 22:31:22 »
Thank you Karen mam...so you have an apple tree eh ?...hmmmm !!!...make me an apple pie...No cinnamon mind !!
 

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Re: Why are Green Apples Crunchier Than Red Ones ! ?
« Reply #6 on: 17/12/2006 22:49:48 »
   Yes, Just a few, as I believe we discussed some time back in another thread! Apple pie no cinnimon eh, what spice do you substitute?? I am curious and is it good! I'd love to make you a pie!! LOL
 

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Re: Why are Green Apples Crunchier Than Red Ones ! ?
« Reply #7 on: 17/12/2006 23:12:29 »
   Yes, Just a few, as I believe we discussed some time back in another thread! Apple pie no cinnimon eh, what spice do you substitute?? I am curious and is it good! I'd love to make you a pie!! LOL

Karen Mam....ewe know !!..we could have discussed ewe having a whole plantation of apple trees half an hour ago and I have since ' lost the plot ' LOL.....

No spice needed !..why ruin the taste of beautiful apple with some Devils Dandruff !! ?...perhaps some brown sugar to caramelize the slices first before baking them in a  pie would be nice.

Thanks.....Oh...don't make it larger than twelve inches wide and four inches deep...else it won't fit through my letterbox..thanks Mam, If you bake it NOW and send it tomorrow..I should receive it by Friday.... ;)
 

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Re: Why are Green Apples Crunchier Than Red Ones ! ?
« Reply #8 on: 17/12/2006 23:23:01 »
OK! I have to try that recipe! LOL, No Devils Dandruff LOL LOL.. You did not get any sleep did you??? Bake now send tomorrow, there by Friday!! Delish!! Week old Carmel Apple Glazed PIE! Dropped to floor through mail slot in rush by frantic mailman rushing scores of lovely christmas greetings to and fro along his busy route! LOL LOL LOL MERRY CHRISTMAS and to ALL A GOODNIGHT SPLATTTT!!!! LOL.... HAve you ever seen Funny farm? With Chevy Chase and the MAD CRAZED MAILMAN????
 

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Re: Why are Green Apples Crunchier Than Red Ones ! ?
« Reply #9 on: 18/12/2006 00:18:54 »
LOl..have never sen the film Mam.

Do ewe recommend it ?

So, how's the pie coming on!!..It must be in the oven by now !!...PLEASE don't tell me you're deep frying the thing !!..LOL
 

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Re: Why are Green Apples Crunchier Than Red Ones ! ?
« Reply #10 on: 18/12/2006 00:42:09 »
It is  funny movie! I like chevy Chase It was good to bring smiles.. WAtch it!

Sir I have to Barbeque it as my oven is still broken.. The holidays are upon me and money being spent for other things, LOL Your pie may be delayed indefinetly!!! That or it may smell a bit like wood smoke from the barbeque! LOL LOL
 

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Re: Why are Green Apples Crunchier Than Red Ones ! ?
« Reply #11 on: 18/12/2006 00:45:00 »
My dear friends,

I intend to intrude on your jocularity. Back to the original question. It is just a matter of hunman intervention - horticulture if you will. Green appels are immature apples. Those species of appels developed for human consumption have been developed to be not quite as tart nor, shall we say, purgative, as an immiture red apple which can cause a bad stomach ache an a visit to the privy.

I am a Granny Smith man myself.
 

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Re: Why are Green Apples Crunchier Than Red Ones ! ?
« Reply #12 on: 18/12/2006 00:54:55 »
So are you talking cross pollinating or grafting as a way to develop such apples as granny smith etc?
« Last Edit: 18/12/2006 00:57:09 by Karen W. »
 

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Re: Why are Green Apples Crunchier Than Red Ones ! ?
« Reply #13 on: 18/12/2006 01:00:14 »
something like that. Also throw in selecting and cross-breeding the trees with the apples closest to the ideal you are looking to produce, the same way you breed horses, dogs, pigs, etc.
« Last Edit: 18/12/2006 01:02:39 by JimBob »
 

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Re: Why are Green Apples Crunchier Than Red Ones ! ?
« Reply #14 on: 18/12/2006 01:19:33 »
I spent two years cross breeding Lilies in a lab setting.. It was interesting I know a limited amount about apple grafting and such but find it quite interesting as to how they pick out certain characteristics of one apple and get others from another type apple. It is complicated! There is a lot of background involved in picking good matches I would think! I am sure like some flowers certain ones are stronger and have stronger traits much like varieties of apples!
« Last Edit: 18/12/2006 02:23:45 by Karen W. »
 

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Re: Why are Green Apples Crunchier Than Red Ones ! ?
« Reply #15 on: 18/12/2006 01:56:39 »
Yes, it takes time and intelligence, BUT the old farmers who developed the different brand of apples probably could barely read. The Granny Smith, for example, was a hybrid developed in 1868 by accident.

Give them ol' timers a lill' credit!
 

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Re: Why are Green Apples Crunchier Than Red Ones ! ?
« Reply #16 on: 18/12/2006 02:27:52 »
That is cool, That's probably a good idea! I have a pretty good line on my family history way back and they were farmers also, but they were also educated very intelligent farmers. Many were struggling dirt poor farmers out of necessity more then anything!
 

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Re: Why are Green Apples Crunchier Than Red Ones ! ?
« Reply #17 on: 18/12/2006 03:23:41 »
My dear friends,

I intend to intrude on your jocularity. Back to the original question. It is just a matter of hunman intervention - horticulture if you will. Green appels are immature apples. Those species of appels developed for human consumption have been developed to be not quite as tart nor, shall we say, purgative, as an immiture red apple which can cause a bad stomach ache an a visit to the privy.

I am a Granny Smith man myself.

Jimmy Boy,

Ewe have not intruded as ewe were invited to partake by furnishing me with the answer to my original query....for that I am truly grateful,....though....ewe declare such effrontery and gall upon your "intrusion" with such aplomb and wit...... that I intend to file suit  ;)

Hugs the Jimbob


 

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Re: Why are Green Apples Crunchier Than Red Ones ! ?
« Reply #18 on: 18/12/2006 03:27:50 »
Nice coversationalist too, We missed that for sure!
 

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Re: Why are Green Apples Crunchier Than Red Ones ! ?
« Reply #19 on: 18/12/2006 04:45:19 »
I had heard that too Jimbob!  Also, Mustard is the only thing so far that is not hybridable.

Neilsy, do you like nutmeg?  (preferrable substitute for those who don't like cinnamon...also, Karen, if you make an apple pie with brown sugar, melt some butter with the apple filling if you make it by scratch with your apples, if not, canned apples are fine with mixing brown sugar and butter together... :-)
 

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Re: Why are Green Apples Crunchier Than Red Ones ! ?
« Reply #20 on: 18/12/2006 04:49:36 »
I have never in my life used canned apples, I would not know what to do woth it! But must try the butter with the brown sugar as that is a good combo!! He hate s nutmeg to as I recall , What kind of pewtrid name did you call the nutmeg Neil??? LOL ALLspice cinnamon nutmeg cloves etc. LOL
 

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Re: Why are Green Apples Crunchier Than Red Ones ! ?
« Reply #21 on: 18/12/2006 04:49:47 »
I dont believe that the colour has anything to do with it, I assume the green breed you eat is a Granny Smith which are pretty much the most tart (tartest?) apples available on a widespread basis. However I find a Jonathan (red) apple to be very tart (almost comparable to the Granny Smith) and a Crispin or a Gala apple (both greeny in colour) to be very sweet.

Repeating, its a specific breed thing, probably due to the amount of pectin found in the type of apple (Jonathan have one of the highest concentrations, or so the sheet on apples at my gym says). Well enough of my rambling, I'm going to answer that the tartness of an apple, has little to do with colour and more to do with Pectin levels.

Oh and by the way, the only reason I know this stuff is cause the area that I grew up in is kinda famous for its orchards, and most of my friends growing up (well those with money) all had farms with orchards, so I've been growing/picking/eating/baking apples for a long while now. And my grandmother makes an excellent apple pie (her rule - only use spys [hint:spy rhymes with pie] as they dont get mushy and they retain their flavour when cooked.
 

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Re: Why are Green Apples Crunchier Than Red Ones ! ?
« Reply #22 on: 18/12/2006 05:00:06 »
Thanks Meg, I never Thought about pectin,,That kind of makes since as it is also used in making preserves etc. For keeping color and freshness!
 

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Re: Why are Green Apples Crunchier Than Red Ones ! ?
« Reply #23 on: 18/12/2006 06:50:42 »
Red Delicious is very sweet and juicy...mmmm, love my green ones though the best!!!
 

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Re: Why are Green Apples Crunchier Than Red Ones ! ?
« Reply #24 on: 18/12/2006 07:06:13 »
I like a variety but prefer them crisp and cold off the tree right after the first frost! MMMMM so sweet! But mine are late October apples I have one tiny red apple tree , but I don't like the apples, the are small mealy and soft!
 

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