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« on: 30/01/2007 00:16:32 »
If everything on earth that is a living organism has a sub-conscience...would one consider the earth itself a living organism?  If so, I have a broad theory on global warming and why the ice caps are melting.  We all know the earth has heated and cooled itself over millions of years.  Is this because of the sun...OR is this Because the earth itself can control it's own heat just like you and I can.  Even to the extent of attracting and detracting the sun's potential for more or less heat?????????? anyone?



 

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« Reply #1 on: 30/01/2007 00:47:47 »
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« Reply #2 on: 30/01/2007 03:03:55 »
NA? could u explain why?
 

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« Reply #3 on: 30/01/2007 04:20:06 »
Hi Jason !

Are you sure that we (you and I) can control our own heat ?

Welcome to the forum by the way !!
 

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« Reply #4 on: 30/01/2007 04:28:49 »
Welcome Jason. I know I can't seem to control my own body temps..I am either freezing or too hot, seldom in between..as we speak I am warming up by a little electric heater as there is no one home and due tome unmentioned issued I can't split wood or haul it in.. Kids all moved out and hubby is off in the darkness woking on the a recontruction job on the bay repairing some dikes and the levy.. Lots of hauling  ^:00 Pm until 8:oo am.. I get to sleep in me bed .. if I can go to sleep! LOL

Anyway I am cold and seem to have no control short of turning on the heat and sitting on top of the little heater box.. How do you control your body temperature without the aid of outside help????
 

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« Reply #5 on: 31/01/2007 04:12:19 »
Well I recently read an e-book explaining into great detail how the sub-conscience mind works.  The book says your subconscience is born the second the very first cell is born??  It goes on to say that, that is the part of your mind that controls things such as body temperature...I"M NOT SAYING YOU CAN CONTROL IT PHSYCIALLY but MENTALLY YOU CAN SCREW IT UP...TRUST ME READ ON ABOUT MENTAL ISSUES...This part of your mind also tells every organ in your body what to do.  FOR EXAMPLE...IT"S COLD OUTSIDE...YOU GO OUT YOUR BRAIN SAYS IT"S COLD OUTSIDE I MUST WARM UP MY BODY OR I WILL FREEZE TO DEATH...THAT IS YOUR SUBCONSCIENCE...Your subconscience tells the blood cells to form clots when you cut yourself.  You don't tell yourself to breath.  Your mind does it for you.  BUT HEAR THIS.  I in the past few years had a bad car wreck which gave me P.T.S.D.(panic attacks)  To make a long story short I'm over it now because I had basically had to learn certain things all over again, such as controling breathing and dealing with certain situations of fear.  Your mind in a situation like this...can have thoughts so bizarre that you can trick your subconscience to the point your breating patterns become irregular, and therefore your heartbeat also does weird things such as race.  In return your body tempature can change as a result...with enough stress on my body I can prove this any day of the week anyone wants to test me :)


BUTTTTT  All I'm asking...is if we humans have such a bizzare mind that it can control that many functions in the background everyday that we don't even realize.  Along with every living thing on earth...EXAMPLE...LEAVES TURN UPSIDE DOWN BEFORE A STORM...THAT TREE HAS A CONSCIENCE OF SOMESORT THAT TELLS IT TO DO THAT...WHAT THE HECK ELSE WOULD???  MY question, is would one consider the earth itself has these same magical powers that every living organism known to man has????
 

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« Reply #6 on: 31/01/2007 11:20:41 »
Welcome to the forum Jason. I have read all your 11 contributions to this board and suggest that you first calm down a bit and you might be able to learn some real science instead of the hyped up pseudoscience that you seem to be infected with that has released the bees that seem to be buzzing round in your bonnet.


Once I had realised that by sub-conscience you were meaning subconscious your question here made more sense.  to gave a subconscious reaction one must first have a conscious one and I think that you would probably agree that the earth is not self consious in that does not have a considered reaction that it communicates to others.

To learn more about the underlying processes that maintain the earth I suggest you read the books by James Lovelock and his Gaia theories ans suggest you study more respected scientific journals rather than concentrate too much on the hyped up rubbish that often appears in the popular press or on more extreme websites.

Your stuff on other sections of this website about nuclear tests is total rubbish and I am not prepared to waste my time going through the many details where your understanding of the true science is very wrong.

Finally with regard to the starting and ending of the universe.  we have to make measurements and study what happened in the past to have any hope of understanding what might happen in the future but the universe is such an indescribably large place there is absolutely no hope of mankind ever going to visit more than a tiny part of it.  The universe will also last much longer than life on this planet so if you are concerned about our more immediate future you should get to understand the real science behind global warming and not rush off to try to invent your own.
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« Reply #7 on: 31/01/2007 19:47:06 »
lol Soul Surfer=Simon Cowell. Always Brutal and ALMOST always right.
 

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« Reply #8 on: 31/01/2007 21:27:04 »
Well you hit a few nails on the head, but for the most part everything I'm suggesting is coming from myself...not popular magazines...I just feel based upon past experiences we always look too deep into things, and the answer always seems lie within simple understanding and reach.  The reason for my concern with the blasts is that I feel there is inconclusive evidence on how much matter truely exists in the atmosphere from these blasts...the graphs and charts that are available, if you find it's true source, it's based on very little of the blasts.  These graphs and charts only include select tests.  In which I feel the most dangerous testing that was done, has not been included into what is available.  There needs to be NEW TESTS done with EVERY SINGLE BLAST put into the charts including : underground, above ground, and in the oceans.  We see everyday how much they underestimated the radiation exposure they have caused with the tests.  The americans in 1962 designed a system on how far they could test to the limit w/o us all being mutated into crazy creatures.  I feel this limit has breached enough to cause major implications such as the disease rate we have today, along with unknown circumstances they people have overlooked somehow. 
 

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« Reply #9 on: 31/01/2007 21:36:17 »
As far subconscious goes, I'm basically just trying to link everything we know that exists has some form of reproduction.  If everything we see, touch, hear, or smell has a sense of reproduction...why wouldn't the universe consist of these same principles...meaning it could be any sense of reproduction but to some sort.  I'm also comparing the electrical elements that make up the human body and those elements such as the human mind all work electrically.  I'm trying to find a link between a living organism that we know is full of electrical energy and the earths electrical energy itself?  Do you see what I'm saying? The similarities between the two I think are pretty great.  Nevermind the physical things we know such as plate tectonis, the atmosphere, and the sun doing it's thing, but KEEP in mind this all boils down to ELECTRICAL charged particles...the same as in our bodies.
 

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« Reply #10 on: 31/01/2007 22:31:56 »
If everything on earth that is a living organism has a sub-conscience...would one consider the earth itself a living organism?  If so, I have a broad theory on global warming and why the ice caps are melting.  We all know the earth has heated and cooled itself over millions of years.  Is this because of the sun...OR is this Because the earth itself can control it's own heat just like you and I can.  Even to the extent of attracting and detracting the sun's potential for more or less heat?????????? anyone?

I like to know what is your model of a sub-conscience before I could begin to address your question..
 

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« Reply #11 on: 31/01/2007 23:28:48 »
Jason,  I am a great believer in innovative thinking and would not discourage people from doing it.  I also believe that it is quite possible to know too much to innovate effectively.  However it is important to know AND UNDERSTAND how many of the laws of physics work before trying to innovate into areas of uncertainty Your suggestions come under the category of wishful thinking and not on the basis of any true science.  Radiation and radioactive fallout are one of the things that it is possible to observe with the highest possible precision because individual atoms may be easily detected.  Witness how in the recent investigations over the Russian who was poisoned using polonium 210 the presence of contamination could be detected at critical locations all over London to form an evidence trail that points towards a person who was likely to be involved with the administration of the poison.  It is therefore higly unlikely that any significant outcome of ratiation effectas in the global environment has been missed by professional scientists working in the field.
 

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« Reply #12 on: 01/02/2007 01:04:53 »
Well I understand what your saying and I would like to agree w/ what your saying but above all you just mentioned of London, that was on the ground material your talking about...not upper atmosphere....some of these particles make it to the outtermost atmosphere even from the middle layer where it originally resides and falls back to earth(fallout).  When I wrote NASA asking if they knew the amount of this prescense of material in the outtermost atmospheric levels.  They never wrote back.  Usually I get a not interested, or a NA.  I got nothing this time, which puzzles me.  Not a f u. Notta nothing :) Shortly thereafter I'd read in science news that they're deploying all these new satellites to study the magnetic field in great detail and how the suns reaction affects it.  My suggestion to them was based exactly around that information.  As to if anything from those blasts were collecting near the poles?  Leftover material that never falls back to earth but instead travels upward to the outtermost layer.  And what happens to "that material"?  I'm talking more than just carbon from the blasts there's also other material that goes up.  Have you read the recently release classified documents from the testing period of 1962??
 

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« Reply #13 on: 01/02/2007 01:11:08 »
But besides the other things...anyone care to explain to me because I really don't know...but why a tree turns over its leaves just before the storm...and how this tree knows the storm is coming?
And nother question off subject...but global warming...if we happen to overpush the carbon...which it is reaching it's highest level ever...can the atmosphere explode on a major release of methane from the permafrost?
 

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« Reply #14 on: 01/02/2007 09:10:21 »
The precise composition of the upper atmosphere is very well known and measured regularly down to extremely small quantity trace compounds using several sattellites.  This information is probably available on several websites if you wish to look at it so there was no need to reply.  Any risks related to human activity have also probably been identified and well publicised in the scientific literature.

Which sorts of trees do you see turning over their leaves and how long before the storm was it?

Carbon dioxide is far from reaching its highest level ever in the atmosphere it has several times in the far distant past been much higher than it is at the moment.

Methane release from permafrost only presents a small risk of local fire as it comes out of the ground (these small flames known in the UK as "will'o the wisps" occur over bogs globally) and explosions are very unlikely.  By the time it gets into the upper atmosphere it is far too dilute to burn
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« Reply #15 on: 01/02/2007 16:29:15 »
Hi Jason,
 I just thought I'd jump in here with one thought- Not the topic of the thread, I know, but on your question on trees, although I don't know exactly what you are referring to, my guess is that it is a humidity issue.  Most plants can sense small changes in humidity and sunlight very easily and will adjust their leaves accordingly.
 
Plants are faced with a connundrum, they want to keep their water, but need to exchange air to get fresh CO2 in and get rid of oxygen (the opposite of us) they do this through openings in the leaves called stomata.  Stomata are kept under tight control only opening enough to allow a bit of air exchange and minimum loss of water (they need some loss of water to help transport water up from the roots- but that's another story).  However, on a humid day, they won't lose as much water so they can open their stomata a bit more.  This combined with the humidity change will leave (ha ha) them a bit limp and more likely to flop around in the wind (which also tends to pick up a bit more before a storm).  Poplar trees seem to be exceptionally prone to this. 

  I am leaving out a lot of details, but the point is that the trees aren't really anticipating a storm, but are reather sensitive indicators of what the current conditions are.  Something to keep in mind when you are debating on taking an umbrella or not.

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« Reply #16 on: 01/02/2007 18:54:53 »
Ok in that sense on the trees...according to the ebook I read on subconscious and how it works...from what I got outta the book...basically it's stating your subconscious is born by the first cell that's created...due to the fact that your subconscious controls these cells for the rest of it's life...but I don't see the relation myself.  But I wonder, how is the leaf that smart?  What tells it too much water, not enough water.  It must be human-like in some sort of sense, but what sense?  We know not to stand next to trees during lightning therefore theres the electrical ground in the tree.  There is electrical charges in the water.  What I'm getting at is all living things interact using some form of electricity.  So the earth having a subconscious, I'm more so saying, the earth can and will do things on its on to save itself in a given situation...just as a tree would hold more water because it sensed a drought coming on or opened it's pores because the rain is coming.  Would one consider the earth itself a live and living organism, just a great big huge one? 
 

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« Reply #17 on: 01/02/2007 19:07:40 »
As for CO2 levels....BBC NEWS says this "We find that CO2 is about 30% higher than at any time, and methane 130% higher than at any time; and the rates of increase are absolutely exceptional: for CO2, 200 times faster than at any time in the last 650,000 years."

"The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, the body which collates scientific evidence for policymakers, concludes that sea level rose by 1-2mm per year over the last century, and will rise by a total of anything up to 88cm during the course of this century. "

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4467420.stm [nofollow]



Now tell me how the levels aren't close? They're beyond.  As far methan being highly flamable...how about 450billion tons being emitted all at once in one second from a big bubble?
 

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« Reply #18 on: 01/02/2007 23:59:34 »
650,000 years is a bink in the eye of the 4,000,000,000 year history of the earth  I was talking about many million years ago.
 

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« Reply #19 on: 02/02/2007 00:46:18 »
I hate global warming, heres why it wont happen big. Because the warmer the earth is the more infared radiation it will emit (the warmer it is the faster it will lose heat) therefore the unstoppable chain of events that global warming advocates predict will run out of steam over time. And if the world heats up it will be gradual and slow, and we would be able to take precautions to prevent it if the theoretical huge increases of temperature were actually happening.
 

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« Reply #20 on: 02/02/2007 00:51:03 »
But I wonder, how is the leaf that smart?  What tells it too much water, not enough water.  It must be human-like in some sort of sense, but what sense?

So I guess my interpretation wouldn't be that the leaf is "smart."   

I would say that all living things have an excellent ability to perceive and respond to their surroundings.  In this way we are all similar, from the single celled to worms to humans.  We are able to perceive dangers (the potential for a lightning strike) and opportunities (free food) and make changes that allow each to survive (get away from the tree during a storm).
 
 Organisms that don't adeptly respond to their environment, say the leaves that don't close their stomata and therefore lose their water  don't stick around enough to pass their DNA on the the next generation, so we are only left with those that do.  Same thing for the humans hanging out next to the trees during a lightning storm (or worse yet, golfing).

It works the other way too, if a mutation happens that allows one plant to do something better, say open stomata more when it is humid (therefore they can do more photosynthesis and make more sugar)- plants that have this ability will be able to produce more offspring and will compete out the plants that don't have this ability.  Again, the humans that remember to stay far away from trees, and water, and golf clubs when it is lighting; and remember not to eat the poisonous plants; and remember not to play with grizzly bears have a better chance of passing on their DNA so this means the humans that we see today have a pretty good ability to learn and remember. (OK, it's a really over-simplistic example)

 So we come along and see a plant that can do this and think "Wow, isn't that cool that plant 'knows' when it's humid out" Yes, it is totally cool, but we have to remember that living organisms we see today have been evolving to the best way to make sure their offspring are the most successful for a long, long time.  The actual process of how the plant knows if it is humid or not or cloudy or not are really chemical reactions that are sensed in the leaves and communicated to the rest of the plant via hormones.  So yes, the tree "knows it's wet" but in the same way that a computer "knows" you pressed the 'A' key there is input and there is an output that is consistent, but that wouldn't make me say the computer was smart or human-like.


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« Reply #21 on: 02/02/2007 18:11:09 »
The Brain, you obviously aren't using multi billion dollar equipment to test your theoretical sentence with.  ANYONE READ THE BRIEFING ON THE REPORT COMING OUT??  They are 90 percent sure we humans are the cause and it "IS" happening today, now!  Exxon mobile is offering PAYMENTS TO SCIENTISTS that are willing to curb this idea in the reports.  That my friends is redicioulous however u spell it.  Washington is also offering a much cheaper 10,000 bucks to do the same.  What has this country come to???? Is profits from oil really worth losing the entire planet???
 

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« Reply #22 on: 02/02/2007 19:47:27 »
Well, has it happened yet? Okay, I know people have raised the temperature of the earth. If I light a match the temperature of the earth raises. But It would only be a problem if we raised it alot. Even with our gratuitious use of Co2 in the past we have raised the temperature on earth to a maximum of 1 degree. Give me one reason the temperature on earth would suddenly violently exlode upwards, as to cause irrevocable change. What are we doing now that we werent doing before? And if it did start moving upwards(quickly not slowly like it is right now) why would we be powerless to help?
 

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« Reply #23 on: 03/02/2007 07:53:38 »
Because it's like this, the predictions we have of it...now officially released to media, shows the summary in a sentence or two.  It's here, it's bad.  And people like you will see...1 degree on earth my friend means a whole lot in your backyard...esp when it could be 11 degrees in  the 21st century vs 2 in the past...hello??  and who "really knows" how much, or how fast???  what we do know is that it's HERE...and it's a PLACE YOU N I HAVE NEVER BEEN :) nor the scientists that are studying it...so...there's your answer =)
 

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« Reply #24 on: 03/02/2007 08:03:02 »
and also the earth isn't a toy...it was made for adults...something our parent generation knows nothing about sometimes...sorry for those I offended...you guys just don't think it through, taking shortcuts always...why would one wait until it happened before you fix it?  If you throw rocks at glass houses, once you let go of the rock...it's too late...sometimes in life bad things win...keep that in mind...and you'll begin to give a crap...it isn't that hard to conceive
 

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