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Christianity origins
« on: 06/12/2015 23:38:29 »
Was Jesus an alien?
Guiding star=UFO
Raising from the dead at Easter=Aliens recovering Jesus' body from the tomb
Angels surrounded by halos=bright shining UFOs
Mt Sinai 10 commandments=receiving code of laws from aliens
Virgin Mary=Jesus was an alien hybrid, abducted and implanted with baby
Jesus' special talents=superior alien genes
Walking on water+producing bread from nothing=alien technology
Dying for our sins=chooses not to be rescued or seek retribution against humanity. Also sets an example of selflessness which has been followed for 2000 years.

Aliens are using us as an incubation chamber for beneficial mutations to create hybrid races with. It's far easier to let us deal with the harsh realities of nature and splice our DNA than build a new creature from scratch, since every gene has to be designed perfectly for a creature to work correctly.



 

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Re: Christianity origins
« Reply #1 on: 07/12/2015 01:53:56 »
I find it amazing how many Humans have a low expectation of Humanity.
We contemplate Jesus, and assign him powers that are not believed to be Human.
We contemplate Pyramids, Statues on Easter Island, Stonehenge, etc etc and assume that Humans were not clever enough to achieve those without intervention.
How about we give ourselves, our race a little bit more credit.
We don't need Gods or aliens. Just good old Human morals and ingenuity.
We are the consciousness of the Universe trying to Understand itself.
We may or may not be the only representation of such consciousness in the Universe.
So far we can only prove that we are here.
Absolutely no proof other than statistics that we are not alone.
We may be.
 

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Re: Christianity origins
« Reply #2 on: 07/12/2015 09:02:33 »
Well, there are radar reports, pilot sightings, astronaut testimonials, video footage, classified documents, countless documentaries, military interviews, crop circles...

While such evidence might be falsified, misleading or inconclusive, it's still evidence.

I believe the pyramids were built by humans. A french architect recently proposed an internal ramp system that seems like it would have worked.

Regarding Christianity, there just seems to be a lot of coincidences and if anything. I'm not religious at all.
 

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Re: Christianity origins
« Reply #3 on: 07/12/2015 09:16:16 »
Well, there are radar reports, pilot sightings, astronaut testimonials, video footage, classified documents, countless documentaries, military interviews, crop circles...

While such evidence might be falsified, misleading or inconclusive, it's still evidence.

Very true. We have undeniable amount of evidence for Unidentified Flying Objects.
We have none for extra terrestrials.


Regarding Christianity, there just seems to be a lot of coincidences and if anything.
When you consider that the main method for passing on information was in the way of telling memorable stories, and the way of stories to always grow in the retelling, I'm surprised he didn't grow wings.
 

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Re: Christianity origins
« Reply #4 on: 07/12/2015 13:02:29 »
"Very true. We have undeniable amount of evidence for Unidentified Flying Objects.
We have none for extra terrestrials."

There are plenty of ex military/ NASA testimonials saying that they are alien in origin. It's still evidence. For example, if all these people were instead giving evidence for a murder in a court of law, the overwhelming amount of corroborating stories from reputable persons would go a long way towards a conviction.

Still, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. To say there is none whatsoever is wrong, however.
 

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Re: Christianity origins
« Reply #5 on: 13/12/2015 20:00:08 »
Whether you guys like it or not, there is a God, and He expresses His love by sending Jesus Christ to die on the cross.
Here is the confession of the truth:

I believe in God, the Father almighty,
      creator of heaven and earth.
I believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord,
      who was conceived by the Holy Spirit
      and born of the virgin Mary.
      He suffered under Pontius Pilate,
      was crucified, died, and was buried;
      he descended to hell.
      The third day he rose again from the dead.
      He ascended to heaven
      and is seated at the right hand of God the Father almighty.
      From there he will come to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit,
      the holy catholic* church,
      the communion of saints,
      the forgiveness of sins,
      the resurrection of the body,
      and the life everlasting. Amen.

God bless you all!
 

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Re: Christianity origins
« Reply #6 on: 14/12/2015 09:26:12 »
God dammit, the crazy are arriving to ruin my perfectly logical thread  ;D
 

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Re: Christianity origins
« Reply #7 on: 15/12/2015 23:03:47 »
Is that smiley face emoji meant to express irony? Let me give you a little review: Something can't come from nothing, therefore you need a Creator. Bad things happen, therefore we need a Savior. We are faithless creatures, therefore we need a Revealer. Put a Creator, Savior, and Revealer together and you get the Triune God, to Whom Christianity is based on. Are you alive? If you are I strongly suggest that you would at least reconsider your thinking toward Christianity. A wise man once said that if a believer dies and Christianity isn't true, than that person loses nothing, while if an unbeliever dies and Christianity is true, then that person loses everything.

P.S. You mustn't use language like that of what you use. It was completely inappropriate, uncalled for and... illogical!  ;)
 

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Re: Christianity origins
« Reply #8 on: 15/12/2015 23:31:10 »
Is that smiley face emoji meant to express irony? Let me give you a little review: Something can't come from nothing, therefore you need a Creator. Bad things happen, therefore we need a Savior. We are faithless creatures, therefore we need a Revealer. Put a Creator, Savior, and Revealer together and you get the Triune God, to Whom Christianity is based on. Are you alive? If you are I strongly suggest that you would at least reconsider your thinking toward Christianity. A wise man once said that if a believer dies and Christianity isn't true, than that person loses nothing, while if an unbeliever dies and Christianity is true, then that person loses everything.

P.S. You mustn't use language like that of what you use. It was completely inappropriate, uncalled for and... illogical!  ;)

We don't need a creator at all. Something can come from nothing. If the future and past already exist, the theoretical beginning and end of time are just boundaries. To ask what came before the big bang makes no sense. Everything was condensed into a single point and there was no movement of space, time did not exist before that point. The universe set itself in motion via the anthropic principle. Even a creator would need to exist because of the anthropic principle. We exist because we exist, so too a creator would exist because he existed.

We are only just starting to understand how the universe works, it seems early days to commit to an underlying religion as the basis of all existence. First, understand how the world works and then make your conclusion. There can be no other way.

A wise man realizes that God would not exclude benevolent people from entering heaven simply because they looked first for proof of his existence. He also realizes that in blind faith one stands to lose an entire lifetime of scientific progress/ knowledge. In reality, there are so many flaws with the beliefs of Christianity it's hard to know where to begin, or even if to bother.

 

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Re: Christianity origins
« Reply #9 on: 16/12/2015 00:28:16 »
First of all, I would like to say that I am well aware of the atheistic point-of-view and I respect your differences in comparison to my views. I do understand where people of your view are coming from, and I would like to agree to disagree with you. I would like to respectfully acknowledge that there are also flaws in your point-of-view. The difference between the two is the fact that we (as Christians) can say that all the flaws in our point-of-view can be explained through something from our 'religion', and that is that with God all things are possible. If God were explainable, He would not be God. Since the 'religion' explains itself, it makes itself perfect. I am sure that you are a very well informed and knowledgeable person, but I would just like to advise you to not be that unbeliever who lost everything, because I care about you. Don't immediately reject a world-view, just because you find some illogical properties to it. Face that somethings are unexplainable. I love you as a person and would just like to extend peace to you. Understand that I am only trying to help you. God's blessings! :)
 

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Re: Christianity origins
« Reply #10 on: 16/12/2015 00:56:02 »
Faith is a personal choice we all have the right to, however, arguing religion on a science forum is a fruitless endeavor. I think the OP's original premise is interesting, nevertheless, I'm afraid the future of this thread is destined to achieve nothing of any consequence. Trying to convince others regarding either position will have little success because both views are totally dependent upon one's personal point of view.
 

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Re: Christianity origins
« Reply #11 on: 16/12/2015 01:17:17 »
I agree. By the way, check out my theory on light. Thanks!
 

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Re: Christianity origins
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Re: Christianity origins
« Reply #13 on: 16/12/2015 16:13:57 »
Is that smiley face emoji meant to express irony? Let me give you a little review: Something can't come from nothing, therefore you need a Creator. Bad things happen, therefore we need a Savior. We are faithless creatures, therefore we need a Revealer. Put a Creator, Savior, and Revealer together and you get the Triune God, to Whom Christianity is based on. Are you alive? If you are I strongly suggest that you would at least reconsider your thinking toward Christianity. A wise man once said that if a believer dies and Christianity isn't true, than that person loses nothing, while if an unbeliever dies and Christianity is true, then that person loses everything.

P.S. You mustn't use language like that of what you use. It was completely inappropriate, uncalled for and... illogical!  ;)

We don't need a creator at all.

An assumption

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Something can come from nothing.

An unproven statement

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If the future and past already exist, the theoretical beginning and end of time are just boundaries. To ask what came before the big bang makes no sense.

Not if you believe in M theory

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Everything was condensed into a single point and there was no movement of space, time did not exist before that point.

Assumstive again

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The universe set itself in motion via the anthropic principle. Even a creator would need to exist because of the anthropic principle. We exist because we exist, so too a creator would exist because he existed.


An idea that actually comes via M-theory, and only applies to those universe that have life.

 
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We are only just starting to understand how the universe works, it seems early days to commit to an underlying religion as the basis of all existence. First, understand how the world works and then make your conclusion. There can be no other way.

Right you have to understand how the "world" universe works, before you are allowed to consider religion, even tho in your own words "We are only just starting to understand how the universe works" Apart from the fact that actually what you mean is hypothesis about how the universe actually works: Not sure it's fair to say science really "understands" anything really. 

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A wise man realizes that God would not exclude benevolent people from entering heaven simply because they looked first for proof of his existence. He also realizes that in blind faith one stands to lose an entire lifetime of scientific progress/ knowledge. In reality, there are so many flaws with the beliefs of Christianity it's hard to know where to begin, or even if to bother.


There is no Contradiction with faith and science, many scientists are people of faith. Maybe you should stop listening to Dawkins.
 

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Re: Christianity origins
« Reply #14 on: 17/12/2015 03:49:06 »
There is no Contradiction with faith and science, many scientists are people of faith. Maybe you should stop listening to Dawkins.

And maybe we should be talking about faith on a faith oriented forum and stop making a nuisance of ourselves on a Science forum.

Unless of course your particular type of faith preaches harassment, in which case you do not have a choice.

Because making any faith based comments on a forum that is totally based on science is harassment.
You are purposely starting arguments with points of view that you are obviously quite well aware are against what this site stands for.

If that is the point of view you want to put forward, WHY ARE YOU HERE?.
 

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Re: Christianity origins
« Reply #15 on: 17/12/2015 16:39:12 »
There is no Contradiction with faith and science, many scientists are people of faith. Maybe you should stop listening to Dawkins.

And maybe we should be talking about faith on a faith oriented forum and stop making a nuisance of ourselves on a Science forum.

Thats very nice but this is the was Jesus an alien thread, all very scientific. I myself have performed Soo many experiments now, that I am sure Aliens are out there somewhere.


Unless of course your particular type of faith preaches harassment, in which case you do not have a choice.

It depends, do you look like Liliy Allen?


Because making any faith based comments on a forum that is totally based on science is harassment.


Really is that Dawkins idea?


You are purposely starting arguments with points of view that you are obviously quite well aware are against what this site stands for.

No I didn't. When? Give an example? I mean at least have some evidence to support your statements, this is a Science forum. looks to me like you want an arguement



If that is the point of view you want to put forward, WHY ARE YOU HERE?.

You mean here on earth?
 

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Re: Christianity origins
« Reply #16 on: 18/12/2015 00:39:50 »
And I think that everything takes a certain amount of faith to believe. One definition of faith is 'firm belief in something for which there is no proof.' There is a difference between evidence and proof. Evidence can either support something or oppose a theory. Proof is evidence that determines something is absolutely true. Since you were not there at the beginning of time (unless you're that old), you cannot prove that your beliefs are true. Therefore, arguing that we should not be talking about faith related things is not true. Yes we are on a scientific forum, but even science takes a certain amount of faith.
 

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Re: Christianity origins
« Reply #17 on: 18/12/2015 01:04:08 »
but even science takes a certain amount of faith.
There I have to totally disagree.
You see I don't believe in Science.
I don't take anything on "Faith"
I weigh up the available observational evidence and fit it into a picture of reality that makes logical sense.
I don't "Believe" this reality is absolutely true. "Believe" doesn't come into it at all. New evidence may make itself known to me in the next hour and the picture I hold of reality will change to accommodate such evidence.

Proof is evidence that determines something is absolutely true.
You see unlike you I do not hold anything as an absolute truth. That takes belief and as such is not science.
Science does not give you any absolute truth. Only the closest approximation to a truth that current observational and experimental evidence will point you to.
So you see why I maintain that anything that requires "Belief" or "Faith" is unscientific and as such does not belong on a Science forum.
I'm sure there must be forums set up for that sort of thing.
And if there aren't maybe you guys should start one.

 

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Re: Christianity origins
« Reply #18 on: 18/12/2015 18:04:46 »


Thats very nice but this is the was Jesus an alien thread, all very scientific. I myself have performed Soo many experiments now, that I am sure Aliens are out there somewhere.


I'm not sure if any Aliens are "out there", but we may have a few posting "here" on this forum?
 

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Re: Christianity origins
« Reply #19 on: 19/12/2015 08:34:14 »


Thats very nice but this is the was Jesus an alien thread, all very scientific. I myself have performed Soo many experiments now, that I am sure Aliens are out there somewhere.


I'm not sure if any Aliens are "out there", but we may have a few posting "here" on this forum?

Well we are fairly sure microbial life exists on Mars. That would make us aliens relative to them.
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Re: Christianity origins
« Reply #20 on: 19/12/2015 22:18:57 »


Thats very nice but this is the was Jesus an alien thread, all very scientific. I myself have performed Soo many experiments now, that I am sure Aliens are out there somewhere.


I'm not sure if any Aliens are "out there", but we may have a few posting "here" on this forum?

Well we are fairly sure microbial life exists on Mars. That would make us aliens relative to them.
Actually, if this microbial life is constructed around a similar DNA helix, we should probably refer to them as distant relatives rather than aliens.
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