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Does consciousness come from stars?
« on: 11/12/2015 11:50:04 »

alan  asked the Naked Scientists:

If everything comes from stars, what about consciousness?
 
What do you think?
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Re: Are stars conscious?
« Reply #1 on: 11/12/2015 18:12:31 »
Hi Alan, I suspect the standard scientific answer to this would be that consciousness is emergent from the evolutionary process, and therefore not a property of the original atoms from which stars and conscious beings are made.

However, if one takes David Bohm’s “implicate order” seriously, it could lead to arguing that the cosmos contains consciousness, therefore the cosmos is conscious, therefore every part of the cosmos contains consciousness.  It could be fun defending that point of view on a science forum. :)

 

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Re: Are stars conscious?
« Reply #2 on: 11/12/2015 18:16:03 »
alan  asked the Naked Scientists:
   If everything comes from stars
what about consciousness?


 
What do you think?


If there is no brain to convert the conciousness, the consciousness if just a figment of imagination.
 

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Re: Does consciousness come from stars?
« Reply #3 on: 11/12/2015 18:26:04 »
Are we talking Tina Turner here, or bright celestial objects?
 

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Re: Does consciousness come from stars?
« Reply #4 on: 11/12/2015 20:55:54 »
I would be grateful if anyone who used the term consciousness would define it before asking questions about it.
 

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Re: Does consciousness come from stars?
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I would be grateful if anyone who used the term consciousness would define it before asking questions about it.

With the possible exception of the question:  "How is consciousness defined?"
 

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Re: Does consciousness come from stars?
« Reply #6 on: 12/12/2015 11:45:16 »
Consciousness is a neuropsychological phenomenon were the human mind can communicate with himself. Altered states of consciousness may be experienced by doing meditation or by drugs like Cannabis which expands one conscious experience into reality. Thus, the metaphysical aspects of consciousness raise interesting scientific questions: Is consciousness really a universal phenomenon or a psychological experience of reality ? 
 

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Re: Does consciousness come from stars?
« Reply #7 on: 13/12/2015 15:25:02 »
"“Descartes and his followers performed experiments in which they nailed animals by their paws onto boards and cut them open to reveal their beating hearts. They burned, scalded, and mutilated animals in every conceivable manner. When the animals reacted as though they were suffering pain, Descartes dismissed the reaction as no different from the sound of a machine that was functioning improperly. A crying dog, Descartes maintained, is no different from a whining gear that needs oil.”12

Based on this ideology, many innocent animals are treated cruelly on a daily basis for the purpose of food, entertainment, research, and profit. Influenced by such a line of thought, most of the scientists were also thinking that only humans are conscious and all other creatures are not. However, the ubiquity of consciousness in all living organisms is an attractive alternative. The Cambridge Declaration on Consciousness in Non-Human Animals was publicly proclaimed and signed by leading scientists at the First Annual Francis Crick Memorial Conference in 2012.13 Moreover, Anthony J. Trewavas and František Baluška state that “consciousness in its many forms could well be ubiquitous, even down to the simplest of organisms.”14 They discuss the various published results that establish the presence of consciousness in varieties of organisms, even in those which do not have brain organ (plants and unicellular organisms like bacteria). Eshel Ben-Jacob was a pioneer in the study of bacterial intelligence and social behaviors of bacteria. Ben-Jacob has stated that all organisms, and even the most primitive (fundamental) ones, must be able to sense the environment and perform internal information processing for thriving on latent information embedded in the complexity of their environment.15 He then proposed that by acting together, bacteria can perform this most elementary cognitive function more efficiently, as can be illustrated by their cooperative behavior. The fundamental (primitive) elements of cognition in such systems include interpretation of (chemical) messages, discrimination between internal and external information, and some self versus non-self distinction (peers and cheaters).15 Unicellular organisms display learning, memory, anticipation, risk management, and other aspects of cognitive behavior.16 Therefore, strong evidence from cellular biology is forcing the biologists to accept that even the smallest cells are sentient beings."

www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/19420889.2015.1085138
 

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