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Atomic Nucleus Orbitals
« on: 28/12/2015 21:15:35 »
This idea came to me many years ago.

In atoms, the electrons occupy orbitals such as S,P, etc, with electrons pairing up in twos, having opposite spin. With the EM force both electrostatic and magnetic the orbital reflect magnetic addition to help moderate the electrostatic repulsion of the electrons. Based on Newton's law of action and reaction, does the directional and magnetic nature of the electron orbitals (shapes)  induce/reflect positive charged based orbitals in the nucleus? It makes no sense for a random nucleus surrounded by orbital order for electrons, seeing plus and minus charged are connected and balance.   

If the action/reaction was the case, we could conceivable use electron orbital inductions to alter nucleus orbitals; excited states. If these are new states are stable, these will then reflect in the electrons to make the electrons assume unique orbital positions. For example, magnetic iron upon heating will lose its magnetic properties, yet the iron in the core of the earth can stay magnetic at 7000C. This could be done if the nucleus orbitals were induced to change and force the electrons to stay in magnetic alignment. I am not saying this is the case, but was used  as a visual example.


 

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Re: Atomic Nucleus Orbitals
« Reply #1 on: 29/12/2015 01:32:09 »
Plus and minus would be a balance that would be out of balance in one direction or the other. There must be an electron flow not caused by a + or -. Dilation of mass could create the electron shells to stay within. More protons cause more dilation. DME could be the cause of electron flow. Just saying.
 

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Re: Atomic Nucleus Orbitals
« Reply #2 on: 29/12/2015 04:23:19 »
This idea came to me many years ago.

In atoms, the electrons occupy orbitals such as S,P, etc, with electrons pairing up in twos, having opposite spin. With the EM force both electrostatic and magnetic the orbital reflect magnetic addition to help moderate the electrostatic repulsion of the electrons. Based on Newton's law of action and reaction, does the directional and magnetic nature of the electron orbitals (shapes)  induce/reflect positive charged based orbitals in the nucleus? It makes no sense for a random nucleus surrounded by orbital order for electrons, seeing plus and minus charged are connected and balance.   

If the action/reaction was the case, we could conceivable use electron orbital inductions to alter nucleus orbitals; excited states. If these are new states are stable, these will then reflect in the electrons to make the electrons assume unique orbital positions. For example, magnetic iron upon heating will lose its magnetic properties, yet the iron in the core of the earth can stay magnetic at 7000C. This could be done if the nucleus orbitals were induced to change and force the electrons to stay in magnetic alignment. I am not saying this is the case, but was used  as a visual example.

There are nuclear states (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_shell_model) analogous to electronic states (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_configuration), but the two have practically no influence over each other. In an atom, the electrons are distributed spherically around the nucleus, so there is no net force from the electrons on the nucleus. Also, the mechanism of the magnetism of Earth's core is completely different from ferromagnetism. The same magnetic field can be produced in conductive liquid metals that would not otherwise be magnetic like sodium, mercury, and hydrogen (yes, hydrogen can be a liquid metal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jupiter#Internal_structure).
 

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Re: Atomic Nucleus Orbitals
« Reply #3 on: 29/12/2015 13:14:27 »
In an atom, the electrons are distributed spherically around the nucleus,

Viewing the electron in our minds eye it is spherical. How much of the sphere is used by the electron between the proton and the furthest distance away the electron travels? Then we have to ask why does it travel? What does electron orbit actually mean?
 

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Re: Atomic Nucleus Orbitals
« Reply #4 on: 30/12/2015 00:02:34 »
Electrons with opposite spin set up additive magnetic fields, which help to cancel some of the electro-static repulsion between all the negative charges in the atomic orbitals. If we had no magnetic attraction in the orbitals, such as opposite spin electrons, the electrons would be much further away from the nucleus, due to pure negative charge repulsion. The magnetic attraction, implicit of additive orbital currents and spins  pull the electron in closer.

For example, if you look at the oxygen atom; it can form oxide which is O-2. The oxygen can hold two more electrons than it has protons. The reason is the 2P orbitals create magnetic addition of all its electrons in 3-dimensions. This 3-Dimensional magnetic attraction of the electrons is able to cancel out the negative charge repulsion equivalent of the 2 extra electrons. The two proton short nucleus is not doing this, but rather this is due to the magnetic attraction of the electrons. 

The EM forces is a unified force which means the magnetic force can compensate for the electrostatic forces. Below are the 2S an 2P orbitals. If you use the right hand rule for currents, magnetic field direction, and force, the forces in the 2P, add in 3-D.

That being said, the protons in nuclei would benefit by magnetic addition to help compensate for the close positive changes in the nucleus. If we don't have this magnetic addition, the nucleus will remain more potentiated; expands. This suggested to me that the nucleus would have its own version of orbitals.   

 

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Re: Atomic Nucleus Orbitals
« Reply #5 on: 30/12/2015 01:04:36 »
I suspect charge has nothing to do with the orbitals. The 2p flow of the electron possibly go through the nucleus of the atom (proton) absorbs the electron and casts out another. It is possibly a flow and not a charge.
 

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