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As title?

''Moments are usually defined with respect to a fixed reference point or axis; they .... 'moment' ''

moment -'' the ​point at which a ​situation is ​clearly ​seen to ​start to ​change:''

''at the same time.''-simultaneous

added- time is not an event that that stops things happening at the same time, it is an event that allows things to happen at the same time?


added- we do not measure time, we record moments? .
''a thing constituting a piece of evidence about the past, especially an account kept in writing or some other permanent form.''


added - A unified everything would be , including for  ''Gods'' , EVERYTHING- is a simultaneous moment of time.


added- I may as well add the meaning of life, The Meaning of Life - is to consciously experience the simultaneous moments of time.

I word pressed it

https://theoristexplains.wordpress.com/2016/01/10/i-have-everything/
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Re: Time is the simultaneous moment of the universe?
« Reply #1 on: 11/01/2016 20:02:03 »
As you rightly say, "simultaneous" means [occurring] at the same time.  This definition requires more than a single entity in order to achieve simultaneity.  Thus "a simultaneous moment" is meaningless.
 

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Re: Time is the simultaneous moment of the universe?
« Reply #2 on: 11/01/2016 22:48:13 »
I walked thru a cementary and saw a grave stone which said

The only difference between you and me
                   Is TIME

But however true this is it is not simultaneous
 

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Re: Time is the simultaneous moment of the universe?
« Reply #3 on: 11/01/2016 23:42:56 »
As you rightly say, "simultaneous" means [occurring] at the same time.  This definition requires more than a single entity in order to achieve simultaneity.  Thus "a simultaneous moment" is meaningless.


Time is everything,each  independent event, particles/mass, energy,  experiencing a simultaneous   point of time  instant , relative to space 

fixed it.




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Re: Time is the simultaneous moment of the universe?
« Reply #4 on: 12/01/2016 21:21:52 »
Quote from: Thebox
fixed it.

Not really.

If you have not met it before, you might find this quote from Peter Lynds about the “instant” in time interesting: 

“Regardless of how small and accurate the value is made however, it cannot indicate a precise static instant in time at which a value would theoretically be precisely determined, because there is not a precise static instant in time underlying a dynamical physical process. If there were, all physical continuity, including motion and variation in all physical magnitudes would not be possible, as they would be frozen static at that precise instant, remaining that way. Subsequently, at no time is the relative position of a body in relative motion or a physical magnitude precisely determined, whether during a measured time interval, however small, or at a precise static instant in time, as at no time is it not constantly changing and undetermined. Thus, it is exactly due to there not being a precise static instant in time underlying a dynamical physical process, and the relative motion of body in relative motion or a physical magnitude not being precisely determined at any time, that motion and variation in physical magnitudes is possible: there is a necessary trade off of all precisely determined physical values at a time, for their continuity through time.”
 

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Re: Time is the simultaneous moment of the universe?
« Reply #5 on: 13/01/2016 04:48:46 »
Quote from: Thebox
fixed it.

Not really.

If you have not met it before, you might find this quote from Peter Lynds about the “instant” in time interesting: 

“Regardless of how small and accurate the value is made however, it cannot indicate a precise static instant in time at which a value would theoretically be precisely determined, because there is not a precise static instant in time underlying a dynamical physical process. If there were, all physical continuity, including motion and variation in all physical magnitudes would not be possible, as they would be frozen static at that precise instant, remaining that way. Subsequently, at no time is the relative position of a body in relative motion or a physical magnitude precisely determined, whether during a measured time interval, however small, or at a precise static instant in time, as at no time is it not constantly changing and undetermined. Thus, it is exactly due to there not being a precise static instant in time underlying a dynamical physical process, and the relative motion of body in relative motion or a physical magnitude not being precisely determined at any time, that motion and variation in physical magnitudes is possible: there is a necessary trade off of all precisely determined physical values at a time, for their continuity through time.”


Regardless of how small and accurate the value of time is devised, it can not represent  space., it can only represent matter in space and matters motion in space.   Relative to space, all matter moves from one moment to the next moment simultaneously, time is simultaneous moments, everything experiences time at the same time at the same instant. 
 

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Re: Time is the simultaneous moment of the universe?
« Reply #6 on: 13/01/2016 16:55:32 »
Quote from: The box
Relative to space, all matter moves from one moment to the next moment simultaneously, time is simultaneous moments, everything experiences time at the same time at the same instant.

Movement relative to space has no scientific meaning.  Think about a single object in empty space.

“all matter moves from one moment to the next moment simultaneously”  That is an assumption you might have difficulty proving.

“time is simultaneous moments”  How can you establish that they are not successive moments?

“everything experiences time at the same time at the same instant.”  Either you didn’t actually mean what you said there, or you are arguing for Barbour’s “Platonia”.
 

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Re: Time is the simultaneous moment of the universe?
« Reply #7 on: 14/01/2016 00:14:24 »


Movement relative to space has no scientific meaning.  Think about a single object in empty space.

A single object in empty space moving relative to space, (consider space is the observer)

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“all matter moves from one moment to the next moment simultaneously”  That is an assumption you might have difficulty proving.

It is not an assumption, I would say fact.  If you are on Earth and I am on a distant planet towards the ''edge'' of the visual universe, both I and you experience everything at a simultaneous instant. There is no in two seconds time or even in one second, the one second as not happened only the instant,  1 second is history of the instant.
The instant is zero time.  Anything more than zero is the history of the instant. We can not go past zero time without it been history and we can't jump forward in time to 1 second.


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“time is simultaneous moments”  How can you establish that they are not successive moments?

following one another only creates history.

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“everything experiences time at the same time at the same instant.”  Either you didn’t actually mean what you said there, or you are arguing for Barbour’s “Platonia”.
I looked up Barbour,
but no I am not agreeing with him, it is not a  timeless realm containing every possible "Now", it is a timeless infinite space containing only the one simultaneous now .

To be honest, I think I have just destroyed the concept of time, You cannot have any more than zero time without it being history. 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 seconds  would still be an history of ''time''.


added - 1 second is not one second of time, 1 second is one second of history/memory

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Re: Time is the simultaneous moment of the universe?
« Reply #8 on: 14/01/2016 20:14:04 »
I think there IS a simultaneous moment that is unmeasurable .. we probably have all experienced forever in a flash ..

I also believe each galaxy generates its own 'time measurement' by the movement of its mass ..

is the simultaneous moment the elimination of space though which something must travel from point A to point B .. Non Locality .. but if so we all occupy the same space, which is not space at all, but some form of illusion.
 

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Re: Time is the simultaneous moment of the universe?
« Reply #9 on: 16/01/2016 18:31:09 »
Does all this mean that superposition does not occur in. quantum physics.

If not what is the time difference between the two items being in different places. AT THE SAME TIME?
 

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Re: Time is the simultaneous moment of the universe?
« Reply #10 on: 16/01/2016 19:30:07 »
OK so T = 1 unit of 'time'. Since everything experiences only the 'now' and since this now can be considered unity then T always equals 1 unit of time. Therefore time does not scale and is static. If time does not scale then no two events can ever occur for an individual particle since this would require a scalar time to separate them. Since nothing changes we have zero energy. However this zero value will be a unit of kinetic energy and not mass energy. The universe will have the same mass but no motion. Which begs the question of how the universe would get to its current state in such a scenario.
 

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« Reply #11 on: 17/01/2016 03:01:33 »
OK so T = 1 unit of 'time'. Since everything experiences only the 'now' and since this now can be considered unity then T always equals 1 unit of time. Therefore time does not scale and is static. If time does not scale then no two events can ever occur for an individual particle since this would require a scalar time to separate them. Since nothing changes we have zero energy. However this zero value will be a unit of kinetic energy and not mass energy. The universe will have the same mass but no motion. Which begs the question of how the universe would get to its current state in such a scenario.

''Things'' work just as well without time.


t= 1 ''bit'' of data/memory
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Re: Time is the simultaneous moment of the universe?
« Reply #12 on: 17/01/2016 03:04:58 »
Does all this mean that superposition does not occur in. quantum physics.

If not what is the time difference between the two items being in different places. AT THE SAME TIME?

It means time dilation is impossible, it means several other things, but I have not heard of superposition, I will have to look it up sorry, maybe somebody else knows that answer.

 9,192,631,770 Hz. of history.
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Re: Time is the simultaneous moment of the universe?
« Reply #13 on: 17/01/2016 10:52:06 »

''Things'' work just as well without time.
Without time passing nothing moves, stasis.
Reread what Jefffery wrote and try to understand what he is saying.
 

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Re: Time is the simultaneous moment of the universe?
« Reply #14 on: 17/01/2016 12:36:16 »
An interesting affect, relative to this discussion, which has been observed since 1826, is connected to photography and is called motion blur. Motion blur occurs when the shutter speed of the camera is slower than the motion speed of the action being photographed. The result is a blur in the photograph. If you analyze this recorded data; see below; since time is stopped in the photo, the difference in speed (position/time=0), appear as uncertainty in distance.

The uncertainty of position gives us the impression of motion, even with time stopped in the photo. Time has stopped, but is conserved and appears as being spread out over distance to create space. One could argue that space is an artifact of time being discontinuous, due to the quantum nature of the universe; quantum time has discontinuities or stops, from which uncertainty in position appears. This allows space-time to be defined by quantum time. If you look below one can sense motion in the photo, even without any movement in time, because time has been conserved/transformed into  uncertainty in position. The blur is simultaneity.
 
 
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Re: Time is the simultaneous moment of the universe?
« Reply #15 on: 17/01/2016 14:44:34 »
An interesting affect, relative to this discussion, which has been observed since 1826, is connected to photography and is called motion blur. Motion blur occurs when the shutter speed of the camera is slower than the motion speed of the action being photographed. The result is a blur in the photograph. If you analyze this recorded data; see below; since time is stopped in the photo, the difference in speed (position/time=0), appear as uncertainty in distance.

The uncertainty of position gives us the impression of motion, even with time stopped in the photo. Time has stopped, but is conserved and appears as being spread out over distance to create space. One could argue that space is an artifact of time being discontinuous, due to the quantum nature of the universe; quantum time has discontinuities or stops, from which uncertainty in position appears. This allows space-time to be defined by quantum time. If you look below one can sense motion in the photo, even without any movement in time, because time has been conserved/transformed into  uncertainty in position. The blur is simultaneity.
 


If the shutter speed is considered as a constraint that can be varied then at some point this can be adjusted to capture an individual photon. This can be considered the quantum limit in the uncertainty in distance due to motion blur. More profoundly this can also be considered the quantum of information exchange and should relate to entropy.
 

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Re: Time is the simultaneous moment of the universe?
« Reply #16 on: 17/01/2016 14:51:41 »
Guys things do not need time to move, there is no stasis, it is not a holographic universe, there is just no time it is timeless.
 

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Re: Time is the simultaneous moment of the universe?
« Reply #17 on: 17/01/2016 15:04:33 »
Speed, being distance traveled divided by TIME TAKEN, would not work in your universe. Therefore you have no motion. That is stasis. You could argue that eternity requires only 1 quanta of time but since 1 quanta is irreducible then you have the same problem. It is sometimes amusing to argue such points as yours but they are in truth impossible. This just has to be accepted.
 

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Re: Time is the simultaneous moment of the universe?
« Reply #18 on: 17/01/2016 15:10:40 »
Speed, being distance traveled divided by TIME TAKEN,


Is something we use and have created and is not relative to anything.  Distance exists, motion exists, speed is abstract to the observer just like size.
 

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