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Endocannabinoid mediated quantum processing
« on: 21/01/2016 23:27:23 »
Quantum brain biology is a rapidly evolving field of neuroscience which may raise fundamental issues about endocannabinoid dependent signaling: Can encannabinoids trigger quantum coherence in microtubules ? How cannabinoids induce quantum vibrations inside neurons ?

Neurogenesis is a non-computable phenomenon: Neurons may exert quantum processing through retrograde endocannabinoid signaling. However, very little is known on endocannabinoid mediated quantum processing.
   


 

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Re: Endocannabinoid mediated quantum processing
« Reply #1 on: 22/01/2016 01:31:39 »
I am unconvinced that the incredible power of our brains has anything to do with macroscopic manifestations of quantum behavior. As far as I know, coherence within the brain has not been demonstrated in any way.

I have read a few books by the proponents of quantum consciousness, but as far as I can tell, the authors (psychologists and neurologists) are either misunderstanding quantum mechanics or misrepresenting it.

All of the matter we interact with is made up of subatomic particles that appear to behave according to the QM model. So, of course our brains can also be described as a vast collection of subatomic particles behaving in QM ways. But I don't see any significant way that our brains would differ from our livers on a subatomic level.

Arguments that consciousness interacts with wave-functions of systems under study are misguided. There isn't any need to have a conscious observer to "collapse" a superposition. Interactions with inanimate objects, particles, etc. is enough to decohere systems (even if no measurement is made!)

I also don't see any need to invoke fantastical QM phenomena to explain the fantastic power of our brains. The complexity of the system is already built in to the neurons and synapses.

Of course, I would love to stand corrected, if there is actually any evidence of large-scale quantum phenomena in brains.
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Re: Endocannabinoid mediated quantum processing
« Reply #2 on: 22/01/2016 10:52:54 »
I am unconvinced that the incredible power of our brains has anything to do with macroscopic manifestations of quantum behavior. As far as I know, coherence within the brain has not been demonstrated in any way.

Thanks for the reply. This study demonstrated evidences of quantum coherence in microtubules:

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0378475496804769

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I have read a few books by the proponents of quantum consciousness, but as far as I can tell, the authors (psychologists and neurologists) are either misunderstanding quantum mechanics or misrepresenting it.
I think the Orch OR theory of consciousness is based on solid quantum mechanics...

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All of the matter we interact with is made up of subatomic particles that appear to behave according to the QM model. So, of course our brains can also be described as a vast collection of subatomic particles behaving in QM ways. But I don't see any significant way that our brains would differ from our livers on a subatomic level.
I believe consciousness is mediated by quantum vibrations in microtubules.

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Arguments that consciousness interacts with wave-functions of systems under study are misguided. There isn't any need to have a conscious observer to "collapse" a superposition. Interactions with inanimate objects, particles, etc. is enough to decohere systems (even if no measurement is made!)
I disagree. Quantum coherence in brain is an evidence that the brain is not the source of consciousness.

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I also don't see any need to invoke fantastical QM phenomena to explain the fantastic power of our brains. The complexity of the system is already built in to the neurons and synapses.

Of course, I would love to stand corrected, if there is actually any evidence of large-scale quantum phenomena in brains.

I believe cannabinoids can induce altered state of consciousness, which may have an effect on quantum channels in the brain. Quantum coherence in brain is stimulated by intracellular THC delivery.
 

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Re: Endocannabinoid mediated quantum processing
« Reply #3 on: 22/01/2016 13:51:12 »
This study demonstrated evidences of quantum coherence in microtubules:

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0378475496804769

This is a cool paper, but it does not demonstrate any evidence of coherence in microtubules. It predicts coherence, suggests how it might arise, and theorizes on how it might influence brain function. However, there are no experimental data--only theoretical work. This paper is also 20 years old, and has not been validated yet... A more recent review article by the same authors: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1571064513001188 summarises the state of the subject (as it was in 2014).

 

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Re: Endocannabinoid mediated quantum processing
« Reply #4 on: 27/01/2016 15:33:27 »

This is a cool paper, but it does not demonstrate any evidence of coherence in microtubules. It predicts coherence, suggests how it might arise, and theorizes on how it might influence brain function. However, there are no experimental data--only theoretical work. This paper is also 20 years old, and has not been validated yet... A more recent review article by the same authors: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1571064513001188 summarises the state of the subject (as it was in 2014).

I agree. However endocannabinoid processing of quantum vibrations in microtubules remains controversial. Quantum brain biology is interesting: I wish a more deep investigation of quantum coherence in microtubules.
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Re: Endocannabinoid mediated quantum processing
« Reply #5 on: 28/01/2016 11:49:13 »
This paper provides experimental data of coherent energy transfer in microtubules:

http://rsif.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/11/100/20140677
 
 

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Re: Endocannabinoid mediated quantum processing
« Reply #6 on: 01/03/2016 12:43:47 »
Synaptic exocytosis is induced by quantum vibrations of microtubules: Endocannabinoid signaling appear to regulate activity-dependent synaptic exocytosis during neurotransmission of serotonin.
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