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Offline Alohascope

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      It will not be surprising if you have not heard of Pascual Jordan because though he may have been the foremost founder and developer of Quantum Mechanics as well as a friend of the other developers Jordan was a member of the Nazi Party, and his name was ALMOST erased from history.  Jordan is also founder of the 'Zero Energy Universe' theory.  http://www.britannica.com/biography/Pascual-Jordan. This post originated from a conversation with Space Flow, a member of this forum.

     As you know the Consensus is that the universe expanded from a singularity .. the Big Bang .. while the consensus says Dark Energy drives expansion.  I believe Dark Energy is probably a reality .. but that there was no Singularity and no Big Bang .. rather cosmic Voids and Matter both arose from nothing due to Jordan's 'quantum fluctuations' across what became the space of what became the universe, matter arising from nothing an idea proposed by Jordan, who was said to have 'stunned' Einstein by his revelation that 'the stars arose from nothing.'  Einstein is said to have 'stopped in his tracks' as he crossed a street in Princeton, when told of Jordan's revelation by George Gamow .. the theory now known as the Zero Energy Universe. "Pascual Jordan first suggested that since the positive energy of a starís mass and the negative energy of its gravitational field together may have zero total energy, conservation of energy would not prevent a star being created by a quantum transition of the vacuum." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-energy_universe.  "George Gamow recounted putting this idea to Albert Einstein: ďEinstein stopped in his tracks and, since we were crossing a street, several cars had to stop to avoid running us down." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-energy_universe 
     However, Voids had not been discovered in Jordan's time, so could not have contemplated Voids' part in the cosmos .. I believe it is anti-gravity energy in Voids which prevent matter arising in the Voids, and that energy drives the Voids expansion, which drives the expansion of Space, as well as driving the scattered matter of stars and galaxies into what is known as filaments.
     There it is, a theory which explains many mysteries of the Big Bang which is now almost defunct now that the CMB radiation has proven to be heat from dust.


 

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     As you know the Consensus is that the universe expanded from a singularity .. the Big Bang

I don't know this; who are this consensus?

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rather cosmic Voids and Matter both arose from nothing due to Jordan's 'quantum fluctuations' across what became the space of what became the universe, matter arising from nothing an idea proposed by Jordan, who was said to have 'stunned' Einstein by his revelation that 'the stars arose from nothing.'  Einstein is said to have 'stopped in his tracks' as he crossed a street in Princeton, when told of Jordan's revelation by George Gamow .. the theory now known as the Zero Energy Universe. "Pascual Jordan first suggested that since the positive energy of a starís mass and the negative energy of its gravitational field together may have zero total energy, conservation of energy would not prevent a star being created by a quantum transition of the vacuum." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-energy_universe.

Sorry but this is abuse of notation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abuse_of_notation.

Gravity isn't special in this way; any attractive field has negative potential.  Therefore one could argue matter and antimatter could arise arbitrarily.  The negative sign of the virial theorem applies to a vector rather than a scalar, where the latter should apply to true negative vis of negative mass.

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     However, Voids had not been discovered in Jordan's time, so could not have contemplated Voids' part in the cosmos .. I believe it is anti-gravity energy in Voids which prevent matter arising in the Voids, and that energy drives the Voids expansion, which drives the expansion of Space, as well as driving the scattered matter of stars and galaxies into what is known as filaments.
     There it is, a theory which explains many mysteries of the Big Bang which is now almost defunct now that the CMB radiation has proven to be heat from dust.

Voids don't heed Hubble's law.  Rather, negative matter is concentrated at the edges of the univers, as one should expect.  Also you don't know what a theory is.
 

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     As you know the Consensus is that the universe expanded from a singularity .. the Big Bang

I don't know this; who are this consensus?

The Consensus are the ruling elite who begin almost every book or article on cosmology with "In the beginning was the Big Bang."  They are wrong of course, but they are the power elite.  NASA APOD Asterix forum moderators will demonstrate who the consensus is by banning you if you suggest Big Bang is error.

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rather cosmic Voids and Matter both arose from nothing due to Jordan's 'quantum fluctuations' across what became the space of what became the universe, matter arising from nothing an idea proposed by Jordan, who was said to have 'stunned' Einstein by his revelation that 'the stars arose from nothing.'  Einstein is said to have 'stopped in his tracks' as he crossed a street in Princeton, when told of Jordan's revelation by George Gamow .. the theory now known as the Zero Energy Universe. "Pascual Jordan first suggested that since the positive energy of a starís mass and the negative energy of its gravitational field together may have zero total energy, conservation of energy would not prevent a star being created by a quantum transition of the vacuum." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-energy_universe.

Sorry but this is abuse of notation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abuse_of_notation.

Sorry Alys but your link does not relate to what I said in any way.

Gravity isn't special in this way; any attractive field has negative potential.  Therefore one could argue matter and antimatter could arise arbitrarily.  The negative sign of the virial theorem applies to a vector rather than a scalar, where the latter should apply to true negative vis of negative mass.

If you want to argue with the originator of quantum mechanics go right ahead.

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     However, Voids had not been discovered in Jordan's time, so could not have contemplated Voids' part in the cosmos .. I believe it is anti-gravity energy in Voids which prevent matter arising in the Voids, and that energy drives the Voids expansion, which drives the expansion of Space, as well as driving the scattered matter of stars and galaxies into what is known as filaments.
     There it is, a theory which explains many mysteries of the Big Bang which is now almost defunct now that the CMB radiation has proven to be heat from dust.

Voids don't heed Hubble's law.  Rather, negative matter is concentrated at the edges of the univers, as one should expect.  Also you don't know what a theory is.

I don't need Hubble's law either .. cosmic laws are mere proposition generally proven wrong.
 

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      It will not be surprising if you have not heard of Pascual Jordan because though he may have been the foremost founder and developer of Quantum Mechanics as well as a friend of the other developers Jordan was a member of the Nazi Party, and his name was ALMOST erased from history.  Jordan is also founder of the 'Zero Energy Universe' theory.  http://www.britannica.com/biography/Pascual-Jordan. This post originated from a conversation with Space Flow, a member of this forum.

     As you know the Consensus is that the universe expanded from a singularity .. the Big Bang .. while the consensus says Dark Energy drives expansion.  I believe Dark Energy is probably a reality .. but that there was no Singularity and no Big Bang .. rather cosmic Voids and Matter both arose from nothing due to Jordan's 'quantum fluctuations' across what became the space of what became the universe, matter arising from nothing an idea proposed by Jordan, who was said to have 'stunned' Einstein by his revelation that 'the stars arose from nothing.'  Einstein is said to have 'stopped in his tracks' as he crossed a street in Princeton, when told of Jordan's revelation by George Gamow .. the theory now known as the Zero Energy Universe. "Pascual Jordan first suggested that since the positive energy of a starís mass and the negative energy of its gravitational field together may have zero total energy, conservation of energy would not prevent a star being created by a quantum transition of the vacuum." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-energy_universe.  "George Gamow recounted putting this idea to Albert Einstein: ďEinstein stopped in his tracks and, since we were crossing a street, several cars had to stop to avoid running us down." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-energy_universe 
     However, Voids had not been discovered in Jordan's time, so could not have contemplated Voids' part in the cosmos .. I believe it is anti-gravity energy in Voids which prevent matter arising in the Voids, and that energy drives the Voids expansion, which drives the expansion of Space, as well as driving the scattered matter of stars and galaxies into what is known as filaments.
     There it is, a theory which explains many mysteries of the Big Bang which is now almost defunct now that the CMB radiation has proven to be heat from dust.

The entirety of a void is mass and is made of ghost particles with a negative value.

That is all I am saying on the matter.
 

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      It will not be surprising if you have not heard of Pascual Jordan because though he may have been the foremost founder and developer of Quantum Mechanics as well as a friend of the other developers Jordan was a member of the Nazi Party, and his name was ALMOST erased from history.  Jordan is also founder of the 'Zero Energy Universe' theory.  http://www.britannica.com/biography/Pascual-Jordan. This post originated from a conversation with Space Flow, a member of this forum.

     As you know the Consensus is that the universe expanded from a singularity .. the Big Bang .. while the consensus says Dark Energy drives expansion.  I believe Dark Energy is probably a reality .. but that there was no Singularity and no Big Bang .. rather cosmic Voids and Matter both arose from nothing due to Jordan's 'quantum fluctuations' across what became the space of what became the universe, matter arising from nothing an idea proposed by Jordan, who was said to have 'stunned' Einstein by his revelation that 'the stars arose from nothing.'  Einstein is said to have 'stopped in his tracks' as he crossed a street in Princeton, when told of Jordan's revelation by George Gamow .. the theory now known as the Zero Energy Universe. "Pascual Jordan first suggested that since the positive energy of a starís mass and the negative energy of its gravitational field together may have zero total energy, conservation of energy would not prevent a star being created by a quantum transition of the vacuum." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-energy_universe.  "George Gamow recounted putting this idea to Albert Einstein: ďEinstein stopped in his tracks and, since we were crossing a street, several cars had to stop to avoid running us down." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-energy_universe 
     However, Voids had not been discovered in Jordan's time, so could not have contemplated Voids' part in the cosmos .. I believe it is anti-gravity energy in Voids which prevent matter arising in the Voids, and that energy drives the Voids expansion, which drives the expansion of Space, as well as driving the scattered matter of stars and galaxies into what is known as filaments.
     There it is, a theory which explains many mysteries of the Big Bang which is now almost defunct now that the CMB radiation has proven to be heat from dust.

The entirety of a void is mass and is made of ghost particles with a negative value.

That is all I am saying on the matter.

Sounds good to me .. mass without matter would be ghostly alright.
 

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