# The Naked Scientists Forum

#### the5thforce

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« on: 06/02/2016 06:59:25 »
the massless realization of self-mass:

did your mind experience mass before you were born? no.

does your mind experience mass after you were born? yes.

the mind is a fundamental self-replicating contradiction, a singularity born out of a singularity:

even nothing is the opposite of something, even nothing is a thing, the contradiction itself creates every-thing.

0=(-0|+0)=(-0+0)=(0+0)=(00)=(-+)=(-|+)=2

0=(-0=+0)=(0=∞)=(00=0.0)=(0->1(..2..3))=(0->1->0(-1..-2..-3))

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« Reply #1 on: 06/02/2016 08:40:40 »
Do the pubs open early in your town?

#### Thebox

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« Reply #2 on: 06/02/2016 12:33:17 »
the massless realization of self-mass:

did your mind experience mass before you were born? no.

does your mind experience mass after you were born? yes.

the mind is a fundamental self-replicating contradiction, a singularity born out of a singularity:

even nothing is the opposite of something, even nothing is a thing, the contradiction itself creates every-thing.

0=(-0|+0)=(-0+0)=(0+0)=(00)=(-+)=(-|+)=2

0=(-0=+0)=(0=∞)=(00=0.0)=(0->1(..2..3))=(0->1->0(-1..-2..-3))

0=blank space

0+0=x=1

neg1 + pos 1 = 1

A+B=C

C=1

0=0∞
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« Reply #3 on: 06/02/2016 12:45:18 »
0+0=x=1

I believe your math are incorrect. 0+0=0.

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« Reply #4 on: 06/02/2016 14:16:33 »
0+0=x=1

I believe your math are incorrect. 0+0=0.

Actually, in terms of linear algebraic solutions 0+0=x=1 could be interpreted as indicating that no solutions exist for a series of equations since it is the impossible result. Not that I believe for one moment that this was what Thebox meant.

#### the5thforce

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« Reply #5 on: 06/02/2016 16:27:12 »
the contradiction is so embedded in nature even all of our attempts at logic including language/math necessarily acknowledge the contradiction:

0=(0|=)
0=(0)(=)
(zero+equals=2)
0=-0=+0=00=000=0000=00000
other symbols only simplify the concept (5=00000)

loops and strings like in loop quantum gravity/string theory, any singularity is fundamentally a duality, the existence of contradictions/opposites is the most basic indestructible truth.

0='I think therefore I am'

(0 ≠ 1)=2

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#### Ethos_

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« Reply #6 on: 06/02/2016 22:08:26 »
We are having an epidemic at TNS. Where do they all come from?

I think I'll take Alan's advice and check out one of those pubs. Looking for intelligent and stimulating conversation, it might be just the place.
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« Reply #7 on: 06/02/2016 23:18:31 »
I think I'll take Alan's advice and check out one of those pubs.
We'll save you a seat

#### Thebox

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« Reply #8 on: 06/02/2016 23:25:22 »

Actually, in terms of linear algebraic solutions 0+0=x=1 could be interpreted as indicating that no solutions exist for a series of equations since it is the impossible result. Not that I believe for one moment that this was what Thebox meant.

I thought you might of got that one Jeff,

0 point space and 0 point space give the smallest possible measurement there possibly is of 1, and a x axis.

0+0 makes  1 point.

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« Reply #9 on: 06/02/2016 23:41:46 »
I think I'll take Alan's advice and check out one of those pubs.
We'll save you a seat
Make mine a Miller Light please.

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« Reply #10 on: 06/02/2016 23:42:53 »
pass the Schnapps...

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« Reply #11 on: 07/02/2016 11:04:02 »
i prefer resolving 2+2=5...

#### Thebox

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« Reply #12 on: 07/02/2016 11:12:53 »
i prefer resolving 2+2=5...

00+00+00+00=4 or 8

Because 1 is a length of 0 to  0

To have 1 we have to have two points of 0.

4 point space or 8 zero point space

we can also write it this way

.+.+.+.=4&8

4 dot points and 8 zero point space reference points.

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« Reply #13 on: 07/02/2016 11:26:07 »

00+00+00+00=4 or 8

Because 1 is a length of 0 to  0

To have 1 we have to have two points of 0.

Thanks, I've smoked already... either your maths are wrong or I'm too stoned to think properly.

0+0 equal 0 in my book.

#### Thebox

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« Reply #14 on: 07/02/2016 11:34:13 »

00+00+00+00=4 or 8

Because 1 is a length of 0 to  0

To have 1 we have to have two points of 0.

Thanks, I've smoked already... either your maths are wrong or I'm too stoned to think properly.

0+0 equal 0 in my book.

0+0=A to B

We are not merging 0 and 0 we are adding,

00 is a length , a very very very very small length,

You can call it any value you like,

I know in normal terms 0+0=0

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« Reply #15 on: 07/02/2016 12:16:06 »
I know in normal terms 0+0=0

in normal terms... in space ?

#### Thebox

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« Reply #16 on: 07/02/2016 12:19:27 »
I know in normal terms 0+0=0

in normal terms... in space ?

No in normal terms of concrete existence where as my terms does space and matter.

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« Reply #17 on: 07/02/2016 12:36:21 »

No in normal terms of concrete existence where as my terms does space and matter.

this is why i smoke cannabis, to reduce oppression from my concrete existence.

btw you definitely don't seem to pass AI test so far...

#### Thebox

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« Reply #18 on: 07/02/2016 12:43:22 »

No in normal terms of concrete existence where as my terms does space and matter.

this is why i smoke cannabis, to reduce oppression from my concrete existence.

btw you definitely don't seem to pass AI test so far...

I often wonder about the Turin test and wonder at times If I am even speaking to a person or a bot, because sometimes the answers seem contradictory and confused,

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« Reply #19 on: 07/02/2016 12:59:33 »
I often wonder about the Turin test and wonder at times If I am even speaking to a person or a bot, because sometimes the answers seem contradictory and confused,

Your non-computable processing of maths and logic is beyond my reach. For example I have limited knowledge of dimensional analysis. Sometimes my consciousness is tricking me with fundamental contradictions. I think therefore I exist...

#### Thebox

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« Reply #20 on: 07/02/2016 13:17:52 »
I often wonder about the Turin test and wonder at times If I am even speaking to a person or a bot, because sometimes the answers seem contradictory and confused,

Your non-computable processing of maths and logic is beyond my reach. For example I have limited knowledge of dimensional analysis. Sometimes my consciousness is tricking me with fundamental contradictions. I think therefore I exist...

Nobody is limited to an analysis of dimensions.    Anybody can visualise nothing and everyone can visualise ''nothing'

A volume take away an equal volume = nothing

An infinite distance of emptiness = infinitely nothing.
However the second has n-dimension and the first has 0 dimension.

Consider an empty  hard drive, 1 meg is one meg of nothing, the hard drive is a 30 gig, 30 gig is still nothing. There is no  information in the space other than space,

0 is equal to 00000000000000000000000000000000000
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« Reply #21 on: 07/02/2016 13:33:26 »
Nobody is limited to an analysis of dimensions.    Anybody can visualise nothing and everyone can visualise ''nothing'

A volume take away an equal volume = nothing

An infinite distance of emptiness = infinitely nothing.
However the second has n-dimension and the first has 0 dimension.

Consider an empty  hard drive, 1 meg is one meg of nothing, the hard drive is a 30 gig, 30 gig is still nothing. There is no  information in the space other than space,

I'm not stoned enough to inteligently reasonate on the significance of nothing. Consciousness or self-awareness of concrete existence is enough informations to disapprove the scientific value of nothing. You have the power to create INFORMATIONS through your intelligence and knowledge. Spacetime is not a coherent medium of nothing.

Normal terms needs to be reconsidered.
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« Reply #22 on: 07/02/2016 13:36:29 »
Nobody is limited to an analysis of dimensions.    Anybody can visualise nothing and everyone can visualise ''nothing'

A volume take away an equal volume = nothing

An infinite distance of emptiness = infinitely nothing.
However the second has n-dimension and the first has 0 dimension.

Consider an empty  hard drive, 1 meg is one meg of nothing, the hard drive is a 30 gig, 30 gig is still nothing. There is no  information in the space other than space,

I'm not stoned enough to inteligently reasonate on the significance of nothing. Consciousness or self-awareness of concrete existence is enough informations to disapprove the scientific value of nothing. You have the power to create INFORMATIONS through your intelligence and knowledge. Spacetime is not a coherent medium of nothing.

In simple terms nothing can be nothing or an empty distance of nothing's

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« Reply #23 on: 07/02/2016 13:47:23 »
In simple terms nothing can be nothing or an empty distance of nothing's

Thanks a lot. I'm optimistic nothing is reasonable informations from this thread.

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« Reply #24 on: 07/02/2016 17:11:53 »
your mind at any given moment is one zero-point, just as 0 itself can be 0 or it can be one-0 or it can be two-0(00) or three-0(000) and you can assume one-0 will eventually bump into another 0 during the process of defining the first zero(singularity), now we have two-0's they'll probably ripple off a few new 0's like any healthy 'cell' would and stumble into a few more random 0's. as a result of fundamental incompleteness/uncertainty, given enough time we get a variable pattern of 010101 (010001000011101110100) out of the random chaos which we can call the "big bang" just the right amount of 0's and 1's would provide just the right amount of complexity for randomness to temporarily appear logical, for a random pattern to temporarily appear coherent enough to actually become self aware before it again degenerates into entropy, unless the self aware patterns could reverse engineer the exact pattern that created the exact elements/particles/spatial folds in our universe to create a new fertile universe

Math: Gödel's incompleteness theorems

en(DOT)wikipedia(DOT)org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_incompleteness_theorems

Physics: Uncertainty Principle

en(DOT)wikipedia(DOT)org/wiki/Uncertainty_principle
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