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Is Zika virus a public health emergency?
« on: 08/02/2016 15:56:30 »
A public health emergency has been declared this week by The World Health Organisation around the outbreak of Zika virus in Brazil.

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Re: Is Zika virus a public health emergency?
« Reply #1 on: 08/02/2016 22:40:59 »
Seems like a scam and an outrageous coverup to me.

The recent incidence of microcephaly in Brazil is about 100 times greater than the reported number of cases associated with Zika infection. The real problem seems to stem from the government-mandated vaccination of pregnant women, an off-label use of a vaccine designed and licensed elsewere for 10 - 12 year-old kids only. Why 10 to 12? Presumably because it could harm younger kids and in the opinion of the manufacturers and the FDA, should not be administered where there is a likelihood of the  recipient being pregnant. 

Zika infection is generally considered fairly insignificant and is by no means new.

So the question is who was bribed into mandating it, and whether any official heads will roll (of course not!). Not a medical problem, just another job for the accountants and police to investigate and the politicians to sweep under the carpet.
 
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Re: Is Zika virus a public health emergency?
« Reply #2 on: 09/02/2016 16:57:24 »
Seems like a scam and an outrageous coverup to me.

The recent incidence of microcephaly in Brazil is about 100 times greater than the reported number of cases associated with Zika infection. The real problem seems to stem from the government-mandated vaccination of pregnant women, an off-label use of a vaccine designed and licensed elsewere for 10 - 12 year-old kids only.

The vaccine in question is known as Tdap.

"Towards the end of 2014 Brazil mandated a Tdap vaccination for all pregnant women. The vaccine is made by GlaxoSmithKline in the UK and is called, “Boostrix”. Despite the fact that the safety of Boostrix in pregnant women has not been studied, despite the fact that the only study (one) was done on pregnant rats (according to their own reports), Boostrix became a required vaccination in Brazil. The recommended time for the dosage is between the 27th and 36th week of pregnancy."


A class C drug (antidepressant). Taking antidepressants during pregnancy led to ‘delayed fetal head growth’, according to a study.

http://www.baumhedlundlaw.com/delayed-fetal-head-growth-in-maternal-use-of-ssris-study-finds/

"To make matters stickier, in 2015 The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation donated over $300,000 to the Vanderbilt Vaccine Research Program to study the immunicological effects of Tdap on pregnant women."

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http://82.221.129.208/zika.html
http://helenaglass.net/2016/02/05/brazil-microcephaly-a-tdap-vaccine-fraud/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22393202
"Maternal use of selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, fetal growth, and risk of adverse birth outcomes."

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Re: Is Zika virus a public health emergency?
« Reply #3 on: 09/02/2016 17:16:56 »
Entirely sensible (though always a hell of a difficult ethical problem) to study the effect, utterly criminal to mandate its use without such testing.
 

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Re: Is Zika virus a public health emergency?
« Reply #4 on: 09/02/2016 19:26:05 »
Seems like a scam and an outrageous coverup to me.

The recent incidence of microcephaly in Brazil is about 100 times greater than the reported number of cases associated with Zika infection. The real problem seems to stem from the government-mandated vaccination of pregnant women, an off-label use of a vaccine designed and licensed elsewere for 10 - 12 year-old kids only. Why 10 to 12? Presumably because it could harm younger kids and in the opinion of the manufacturers and the FDA, should not be administered where there is a likelihood of the  recipient being pregnant. 

Zika infection is generally considered fairly insignificant and is by no means new.

So the question is who was bribed into mandating it, and whether any official heads will roll (of course not!). Not a medical problem, just another job for the accountants and police to investigate and the politicians to sweep under the carpet.

That's funny. Doctors in the US have been recommending prenatal TDAP vaccination since 2011 (after reviewing data indicating no relationship to birth defects) http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6207a4.htm

Where are all the malformed TDAP babies in the US? (HINT: there aren't any)

It's also odd that microcephaly can be diagnosed several weeks BEFORE the scheduled immunization, leading to an interesting interpretation of causality...

I should also note that identifying intended recipients as 10-12 years of age is also misleading at best. In the US, infants get TDAP boosters at 2, 4, 6 and 15 months, and then again as preteens.

Time will tell what is actually going on in Brazil, but I don't think blaming vaccination is at all reasonable at this stage.
 

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Re: Is Zika virus a public health emergency?
« Reply #5 on: 09/02/2016 19:36:10 »
Taking antidepressants during pregnancy led to ‘delayed fetal head growth’, according to a study.

http://www.baumhedlundlaw.com/delayed-fetal-head-growth-in-maternal-use-of-ssris-study-finds/

"To make matters stickier, in 2015 The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation donated over $300,000 to the Vanderbilt Vaccine Research Program to study the immunicological effects of Tdap on pregnant women."

References
http://82.221.129.208/zika.html
http://helenaglass.net/2016/02/05/brazil-microcephaly-a-tdap-vaccine-fraud/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22393202
"Maternal use of selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, fetal growth, and risk of adverse birth outcomes."

But vaccines are not ssris...

Drinking alcohol also leads to microcephaly, but no one (credible) claims that marijuana leads to these same defects. One must be very careful when drawing analogies between drugs that act on different pathways.
 

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Re: Is Zika virus a public health emergency?
« Reply #6 on: 09/02/2016 19:49:47 »
But vaccines are not ssris...

Drinking alcohol also leads to microcephaly, but no one (credible) claims that marijuana leads to these same defects. One must be very careful when drawing analogies between drugs that act on different pathways.

I believe this is incorrect... The FDA classified the Tdap vaccine as a antidepressant:

"The CDC recommendation for Tdap initially came as whooping cough cases rose with over 2700 in the US in 2011. Not exactly an epidemic statistic! The FDA classified the Tdap vaccine as a Class C Drug – “Animal reproduction studies have shown an adverse effect on the fetus and there are no adequate and well-controlled studies in humans, but potential benefits may warrant use of the drug in pregnant women despite potential risks.”"

 

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Re: Is Zika virus a public health emergency?
« Reply #7 on: 11/02/2016 00:12:12 »
That's funny. Doctors in the US have been recommending prenatal TDAP vaccination since 2011 (after reviewing data indicating no relationship to birth defects) http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6207a4.htm
Worth reading that report very carefully. The number of women vaccinated whilst pregnant was very small (unsurprising since Tdap is not licensed for such use in the USA or indeed anywhere) and the report only discusses effects on the women. And there's a heck of  difference between a hypothetical recommendation based on a priori risk assessment, itself based on trials of selected parts (tetanus and diphtheria) of the Tdap cocktail, and the results of an actual experiment including pertussis. Think thalidomide.
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Re: Is Zika virus a public health emergency?
« Reply #8 on: 11/02/2016 15:40:38 »
http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/microcephaly-brazil-zika-reality-1.3442580 contains some interesting information, e.g.

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why has microcephaly not appeared in other Latin American countries with similar climates, such as among the 2,100 pregnant women infected with Zika in Colombia?
 

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« Reply #9 on: 04/03/2016 09:32:56 »
Zika is common in many countries now, including Columbia and Venezuela. A rise in prevalence of Guillain-Barre Syndrome appears to be associated with this, in Brazil as elsewhere. Yet the microcephaly outbreak only occurred in Brazil.

A recent study on the effects of the MMR vaccination campaign in Brazil  (Soares et al) found that a small proportion of women unknowingly in early pregnancy had been accidentally given the MMR vaccine (no adverse effects were recorded,including microcephaly associated with rubella infection), so accidental vaccination can and does occur there. Microcephaly is initiated in the early weeks of pregnancy - later challenges will not cause it to occur.

In South America, only Brazil has the mandatory Boostrix TDAP vaccination (Boostrix) programme - it is not used in this way in either Colombia or Venzuela. The Boostrix program started in late 2013/early 2014. The first excess of microcephaly cases was reported seven to eight months later.

Join up the dots! (see my comments at http://www.ukcaf.org/zika_proposal.html)
 

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