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I think space must have a physicality!
« on: 21/11/2016 04:53:19 »
I breathe in deep inflating my lungs with air creating a greater volume of space within my lungs, I then breathe out to inflate a balloon, the air and space from my lungs is transferred into the balloon............


Space must have physicality ...


 

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Re: I think space must have a physicality!
« Reply #1 on: 21/11/2016 08:58:40 »
The space is not transfered into the baloon. It remains in the same  "place" it was before. According to GR, space can't have an absolute position because the way it is defined. But if it had it would not change shape or position during the process you described.
 

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Re: I think space must have a physicality!
« Reply #2 on: 21/11/2016 10:29:13 »
|Space seems to behave like the esptiness between the electron jump on the quantum level.
 Much as higgs itself trating those spherical objects as if they were single atoms, and different from the particle jumps that seems to occur instantaneously, we have speeds and time...
 Time being a product created directly on the quantum realm by this expansion on the higgs field, a delay on C...
 And anything that is able to delay this world of C, such as matter, or anything that do not behave like a gosht as light does(for photons are from this fabric) causes friction on this medium, therefore anything that does that, that delay C "recieves" proportional mass...
 Mass and dilatation being in correlation, a area of displacemente, where the higgs field present on the particles of the object itself, starts to grow in size and cause an expansion on macro scale on the constants(sppin), anything on macro scale (when in correlation to this universal expansion) can't spin as fast as C, and anything that can't nullfied their mass using own acceleration, as particles or blackholes, are fated to grow big(dimenssions) untill a certain point, where the mass matches this period in expansion along with the contant C, there a singularity would occur: A particle size planet that was the logical result higgs field was trying to achieve...

 Space is physical for me, altough it started within all the hydrogen atoms in the universe, not small but big, one singularity occured at the center it when universal nova, expanded great part of the matter trought outside the universe(that was already there/space) and as a odinary black holw such singulatiry started to put momentum within the structure, from inside out(nova), twisting and triggering many other singularities, that started to do the same process. Why and how I do not imagine.
 But the point is, empty space should be an illusion, its not part of the original universe, it's simple C...
 Two objects seems to atract each other, but if remain still on place and start to sirink the objects would appear to be still, the opposit would occur if you grow up in scale...

 What I wonder is happening is that such singularity (bigbang as they say)  is still there at the center, and this universe seems to be infinity cause space was already there, same as we looking to any other galaxy, where is the end of the space of any galaxy? where is the edge of any horizontal plate? See my point?
 Space is but an illusion, it is what was in the exterior of the universel star and started to permeate it as soon as it (somehow) whent nova, now C, C is the acceleration this central motion puts on everything, butis not located here...
 C would be determined by wherever the galaxyes/universes are orbiting.
 That structure is what controls higgs and all the universal constants, we merily exist within this plane, not another dimension, but the same as we inside the heliosphere, claiming that pluto its the edge of the universe and that there is nothing else, simple cause a supervoid is srrowunding this entirely univese of ours...
 The expansion sees not to be on space (Einstein) original idea, for me space is static, the thing expanding in proportion are the planets and everything else in function of this atracctor, its it that is in control of C and C is in control of the sigularities that deffy the sppin of everything, every particles, and consequently planet, its it tht controls C
 Now C got to be contant on this universe and probably elsewhere, but C and be any constant, it can be variating sicnethe beggining of time, and we wouldn't know cause we are to young, we could meassure the sppins but we are also to clouded to figure out if it is even real motion...

 What control C is not visible to us, but universe and space are both two different things, we were born inside of it, but whos in control of the systems "seems" to be higgs field, a twisted, impredictable, but contant interaction of different proportions, leading to order and chaos out there, when in the quantun scale everything works just fine for quantun is space enegine and is not affected by macro, altough it's the existence of objects in big scale that is disrupting this perfect constant and for different interractions, forcing quantun to looks like be based on possibilites, the interaction of different constants is what causes this impression for nothing is istantaneously, but space uses a trick to be "it set itself on A and B even and before any interaction of different field have taken place", this is instantaneous, and surpass any other vector including C.... Of course always considering that could be none of that, and many other possibilities, its just that make more sense than an explosion over nothingness...

 To become easy to visualize the whole concept assume that universe like a galaxy, one that has no more stars or ligth beyond of the horizon(edge of the sphere/arms). There would be a super void surrounding it, and different from inside the universe, time would consistent vanish from existence as further one moves trough C away from universe, away from gravity, there would be no more point of reference on your body to keep your molecular structure organized. You would star to accelerate towards C on the quantun level and at a certant distance from the universe, when dark matter influence(mass) wouldnt exist anymore) you probably would cease to exist as matter and become light, your energy would travel as photons, that isprobably the only thing that remains outhere, and possible the only thing that can travel to outhere, along with wave length frequencies, radio, gama etc... No matter is possible to exist outside universe, for do so you need return the field to pure light and force light to colide and converge on a single spot to do the impossible possibility that would be create a blackhole using light, there would be another center, a considerable self-stanable slow down in the would of C, causing a delay and expansion on the higgs field proportion resulting on this delay, at the end of the events a blackhle is needed in order to produce a galaxy, as something similar(to the eye of a hurricane, is needed to keep C and higgs...
 Mess up with the higgs particle and you'll not be able to calculate the consequences over entanglement, spooky at distance, if one particle is in coorelation with another, they got be conected by a bridge, that bridge would be their "place" or origin on higgs field, forever attached to that specific location on the fabric, even if for us seems to be only empty space... Quantun level has no time, but the existence of different fields and proportions interracting maybe somehow producing different "infinite probabilities" but this only to our observation and concepts and patterns, everything on the quantun level no matter how chaotic it seems to be, know exacly what is going to happen on a event, knows the outcome before the outcome itself, its like math, higgs field are diverging, interracting with different volumes and speed, but nonentless is still the same constant C, so no matter how messy one situation can get, and no matter how many path a determinated particle should follow, higgs always knew the outcome....
 Its like if the great atractor, where like a rupture within two verses of the same universe, like two conic shapes fliped upside down, or more like two umbrelas one over the other... At the center one should have something like a ring that i contantly pulling the (already existing space"  pulling higgs field inside o it along, pulling the lines that forms space itself, but is doing this from both sides, so one universe does not need to be oposit to the other, only existing one very very far from the other (physicaly existing) as if you travel futher enough trou the super void beyond this universe you would enterinto another, and both matter in both universes are adrifting on the flow as this ring (rupture) kepps pulling space itself inside, and on this act seting space to the C state we know, and also allowing the existence of gravity and other linear forces as light, basically allowing everything that's not space)

 The ring something as indeed resambling a black hole, bt much more eliptical and with a horizon so vast that the two sides of the objects(sides as on north ans south) are not simple only sppining as a spherical hole, but due some eliptical alongated flat shape, the both halfs are also spiring as if it was rolling space itself like pusshing space in, rolling space in as it continuous to spin on the horizontal, forming both effects, the horizontal spiral movement stretching the cords(the hggs field) from linear static, to sppining, perhaps even propagating this waves patterns trogh the fabric defining the spping of the particles or anything that has mass proportional to their size, and at the same time as it sppins both halfs keeps rolling space itself in, like a hope.
 Stretching its paterns, given it the C state, expanding it form all dirrections...
 I know that space seems to be expanding equally in both dirrections but at the end, what do we know about beyond the universe itself, we still believing it is the end of everything there is, including space itself, and even if partiality correct about this for being the reason of the inclination of the galaxies(should I say, inclination of this whole universe) towards a specific area within a void...
  I do not imagine how much fabric is there, but this cloud have a limit, where things would be so far away that would start to move so fast, and eventually even space itself would finnaly shatter, perhaps when this happens thee or those grat atracctors where the universes are existing within their fields of expanding C, they may explode too, much like big bang theory, but not one for creating only matter, but one that creates everything there is including the field...
 or maybe both of the sides of those hyperparables are interconecteds at the edges, like that experment that twists a sphere from inside out without making corners or edges, maybe the the same corda pulled in are liberated on the horizon, and the behaviors of particles and solar systems, only miniature reflections of such patterns, ...
 Something that is pulling in higgs field, stretching it from 360 at C towards all dirrections and at the same time, on its horizontal plate (as a galaxy) all mather is gathered and particles are absorving this rotation spping at C...

 Maybe the edge of the observeable expanding universe, is the expanding horizontal plate area of this imensurable ruppture, that is messing with the once frozen universe, messing with fields, promoting C...
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Re: I think space must have a physicality!
« Reply #3 on: 21/11/2016 15:10:49 »
A light second in flat space has a consistent distance. While you can come close to a flat space, space can never reach it. Same as mass cannot reach c without turning into a black hole. This happens when the mass of a sun reaches the speed of light attraction. c energy can no longer keep atoms apart. Black holes may be electrons in a different fractal universe.

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According to GR, space can't have an absolute position because the way it is defined. But if it had it would not change shape or position during the process you described.

the static Aether cannot have an absolute position cording to the MMX. A dot based spin energy on the other hand might just be what causes relativity (Dark mass [dot] dark energy [spin]). Spacetime is a uniform structure while macro mass is a chaotic disruption of dark mass energy.
 
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« Reply #4 on: 21/11/2016 15:18:10 »



Space must have physicality ...
No.....................Space is just a place where physicality can exist. And when you breath in air expanding your lungs, you are not creating new space, that space was already there before you took that breath.
 
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« Reply #5 on: 21/11/2016 22:53:05 »
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Space is just a place where physicality can exist.

I suspect we need to define physicality. Anything that has a measured distance exists physically and has substance. Even space. Without substance there would be no measured distance between objects.
 

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« Reply #6 on: 22/11/2016 01:31:50 »
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Space is just a place where physicality can exist.

I suspect we need to define physicality. Anything that has a measured distance exists physically and has substance. Even space. Without substance there would be no measured distance between objects.
Very true GoC, but not in the terms which TheBox has suggested. One does not create new space by expanding their lungs, such a suggestion has no merit.
 

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« Reply #7 on: 22/11/2016 03:09:49 »
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Very true GoC, but not in the terms which TheBox has suggested. One does not create new space by expanding their lungs, such a suggestion has no merit

We agree again.
 

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Re: I think space must have a physicality!
« Reply #8 on: 22/11/2016 14:44:55 »
I breathe in deep inflating my lungs with air creating a greater volume of space within my lungs, I then breathe out to inflate a balloon, the air and space from my lungs is transferred into the balloon............


Space must have physicality ...

I sugested once something similar, if one is to seal a metalic empty sphere of high density on the vaccum of space. Next, that sealed spear would be carried till alpha century for an example, and subsequently it would be opened there.
 Considering state of mater behaviors, reveals that space itself is very different from gas behavior...
 Seems that space, somehow, was able to constantly penetrate the walls of the sphere as it was traveling till its arrival in the other system... As long as the sphere was traveling bellow the speed of light, it had lower mass due its acceleration, it was considered to space as being smaller than it is, for it's causing friction, this delay forces C to delay, constant as always but not proportional to the mass of the sphere as it is moving...

 As soon as the Sphere arrive there space has almost no delay on the quantification of the object, constanty permeating it's wall, ignoring it's density, for the space within the atoms and particles is still present, so quantun is still foloowing higgs and it for it's turn is in cotnrol of both, interior and exterior of the sphere, for thigs field there is no much difference between the outside of your body and the interior of inflating lungs..
 prove of that is that many animals evolve to breath for their skins as well, and the most relevant apect is that the whole muscular structure of your torax also opens up as the gas is filling your lungs...
 A ballon inflates by expanding its walls, the actual aspect of a wealty lung is as a ballon that is already rugged, already ready to be filled, even if the air is not inside your lungs yet, the area is already there, sort of folded and rested on itself.... 
 But I do believe we all understood the purposal behind this example, is indeed very practical, altough I have to insit that this "world of C" or in our case our atmosphere is constantly permeating trough us, the gas may stop at the epiderm but the blackground keeps permeating trough all of us, including our lungs...
  The only condition at least for me that is a "must" for create espace using energy, is a innercore of stars and bigger planets, the lenght of the density forming those massive structures, could and most likely is causing a considerable delay on C, allowing the inner core to heat up, and once it has started the inner friction will make sure to split the inner reagion with a gap, a lack of space within the atoms, spliting the inner core from the outher core, and it from the rest of the planet....
 Not saying that is impossible to produce space, only that most likely certainly one is not to create space, without find meanings to self contain it in order to achieve the right temperature, space should not bea able to be produced on its normal state. Its a simple existence, its our precense, mater, that mess up this perfect patterns, resulting on a incoerent quantun field that is based on probabilities.
 Space itself is naturaly rested and its doing nothing but transfering information, somethign need to recieve energy n order to reproduce itself, maybe light does that, but our muscular constraction certainly not...
 By adding gas we simple increased the dilatation of our lungs and only by squising our whole torax against our oun muscular weight that is submited to gravity and also atmospherical pressure...
 A simple sugestion, imagine a scenario where by any reasons that we would ignore, one is for a short period of time floating on space adrifiting inside a cloud of gas, a piece of our atmospherew, only for a secund, if this subject is up to breath a single breath, the air would eneter his lungs and will not be able to come out, actually they would explode for there would be no external pressure release, your whole body would be expanding...
 So you are not creating new space, the reality seems to be, that the atmosphere on your exterior is the one thats constantly compressing your "real" "proportional mass", when you breath you are simple expanding back aginst it... Not necessary creating new space, for you are already submited to a compacted state, including your lungs...

 There is no practical way to prove that, exept for the inverse scenario, the one when one is expeling the air inside the lungs, if is to assume that an inflating lung is procuding new space, is to try to attest that expeling the air from it, is to "erase the space that was created, and as far as I concern I do not believe that this is someting possible...
  Is first to accept the consideration that space is permeating everything that is less dense than a atom or  a planet's inner core, for all the rest space operates in the quantun scale, it does not know or care what is "inside" or "outside" a inflating lung, its simple constantly permeating trough your entire body...
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