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Richie46n2

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What dark matter really would be
« on: 22/05/2015 08:09:47 »
Dark matter is really just the effect of time on our limited perceptions. The only thing holding everything in place is just the amount of time relative to us for it to happen. For example, the universe is huge. So to our human minds the stars are expanding so slow because it's so far away. That's the only reason it hasn't 'flown off the merrygoround' yet. But technically it is flying off the edge expanding endlessly.



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Re: What dark matter really would be
« Reply #1 on: 22/05/2015 08:30:30 »
Dark matter is really just the effect of time on our limited perceptions. The only thing holding everything in place is just the amount of time relative to us for it to happen. For example, the universe is huge. So to our human minds the stars are expanding so slow because it's so far away. That's the only reason it hasn't 'flown off the merrygoround' yet. But technically it is flying off the edge expanding endlessly.

If that is the way you look at it then it is more likely that over time there is a loss of gravitational energy to the cosmic bulk. This then reduces the amount available to keep all the mass together. This does not explain the slowdown after the inflationary period or why the rate of expansion is increasing. If the spacetime is expanding faster than light then the effect of gravitation from the external bulk should be zero. It would then not matter how much gravity was lost. For acceleration to occur there must be a force. Otherwise you would have a constant velocity of expansion. Mass is after all inertial. You need to explain this expansion without the need for a force.

Richie46n2

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Re: What dark matter really would be
« Reply #2 on: 22/05/2015 08:54:10 »
maybe it's not speeding up or slowing down and is just constant but SEEMS to change speed because of it's relativity to the point it expanded from. sort of like the distance causes it to dissolve

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Re: What dark matter really would be
« Reply #3 on: 22/05/2015 13:57:09 »
The notions of dark matter and the dark matter particle are incorrect. The mass which fills 'empty' space is beginning to be referred to as the 'dark mass' in order to distinguish it from the baggage associated with dark matter.

'Dark Energy/Dark Mass: The Slient Truth'
https://tienzengong.wordpress.com/2015/04/22/dark-energydark-mass-the-silent-truth/

"That is, all that we are certain about [is] the dark mass, not dark matter, let alone to say about the dark 'particle'."

Particles of matter move through and displace the dark mass, including 'particles' as large as galaxies and galaxy clusters.

The Milky Way moves through and curves spacetime.

The Milky Way moves through and displaces the dark mass.

The state of displacement of the dark mass is curved spacetime.

Richie46n2

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Re: What dark matter really would be
« Reply #4 on: 22/05/2015 18:23:38 »
ok what do you guys think of my theory though? Laymans terms please haha

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Re: What dark matter really would be
« Reply #5 on: 22/05/2015 20:18:06 »
ok what do you guys think of my theory though? Laymans terms please haha

There is no such thing as dark matter. 'Empty' space has mass which is displaced by the particles of matter which exist in it and move through it. The Milky Way's halo is not a clump of dark matter traveling along with the Milky Way. The Milky Way is moving through and displacing the dark mass.

The dark mass displaced by the Milky Way pushes back and exerts inward pressure toward the Milky Way.

The pressure exerted toward and throughout the Milky Way by the dark mass displaced by the Milky Way is gravity.

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« Reply #6 on: 22/05/2015 20:41:13 »
ok. That's pretty much what I am saying though... And the reason it appears something is holding the planets where they are is time.

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Re: What dark matter really would be
« Reply #7 on: 22/05/2015 21:47:06 »
The notions of dark matter and the dark matter particle are incorrect. The mass which fills 'empty' space is beginning to be referred to as the 'dark mass' in order to distinguish it from the baggage associated with dark matter.

'Dark Energy/Dark Mass: The Slient Truth'
https://tienzengong.wordpress.com/2015/04/22/dark-energydark-mass-the-silent-truth/

"That is, all that we are certain about [is] the dark mass, not dark matter, let alone to say about the dark 'particle'."

Particles of matter move through and displace the dark mass, including 'particles' as large as galaxies and galaxy clusters.

The Milky Way moves through and curves spacetime.

The Milky Way moves through and displaces the dark mass.

The state of displacement of the dark mass is curved spacetime.

I disagree, because any curvature is always inside of a virtual cube, and from any vertex to vertex , time is constant and unchanged as can be timed using the speed of light.

space time curvature is simply distance vector displacement , a greater distance than a the linearity, in perspective near and far, there is no definitive universal up.


A rocket takes a curvature path, or angled path, from whose perspective.

Everything is not as you know it.

If you was in the south pole and I am in the north pole, there is not really a curve between us, it is always a straight line.



« Last Edit: 22/05/2015 21:52:39 by Thebox »

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Re: What dark matter really would be
« Reply #8 on: 23/05/2015 00:26:10 »
ok. That's pretty much what I am saying though... And the reason it appears something is holding the planets where they are is time.

Not time. The displaced dark mass pushes back and exerts inward pressure toward the planets.

More correctly, the state of displacement of the dark mass is gravity.

The rate at which an atomic clock ticks is determined by the state of the dark mass in which it exists.

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« Reply #9 on: 23/05/2015 00:28:20 »

I disagree, because any curvature is always inside of a virtual cube, and from any vertex to vertex , time is constant and unchanged as can be timed using the speed of light.

space time curvature is simply distance vector displacement , a greater distance than a the linearity, in perspective near and far, there is no definitive universal up.


A rocket takes a curvature path, or angled path, from whose perspective.

Everything is not as you know it.

If you was in the south pole and I am in the north pole, there is not really a curve between us, it is always a straight line.

The deformation of spacetime physically manifests itself as the state of displacement of the dark mass.

Richie46n2

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Re: What dark matter really would be
« Reply #10 on: 25/05/2015 17:08:12 »
Ok yeah gravity I guess would be the force because the only thing measuring the time would be the amount of time for the stars to fall off the map and that will take forever cuz they have nowhere to go except to just keep expanding and that creates the illusion of time.
« Last Edit: 25/05/2015 17:16:35 by Richie46n2 »

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« Reply #11 on: 25/05/2015 17:12:57 »
Still what I am saying though is that they are moving/falling but just so slow it seems like they are held in place.

And that it's not that they are so much going slow but that they are so big and far away that it seems like it.
« Last Edit: 25/05/2015 17:15:45 by Richie46n2 »

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« Reply #12 on: 25/05/2015 17:20:15 »
So does that mean dark matter isn't really a substance but more like a force?

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Re: What dark matter really would be
« Reply #13 on: 26/05/2015 17:07:33 »
Hi Richie46n2 - If I haven't mentioned it yet, welcome to the forum. I'd like to suggest that you ignore whatever liquidspacetime posts because his understanding of physics is quite poor.

Before I start I'd like to ask you two questions (1) what you believe dark matter is (2) what observations led to its discovery and why? I.e. why has dark matter been postulated to exist given those observations?

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Dark matter is really just the effect of time on our limited perceptions.
What are the premises on which your argument rests? What is the logical argument that led you from your premises to this conclusion?

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The only thing holding everything in place is just the amount of time relative to us for it to happen.
So far all you've stated are speculations. You haven't made an argument as to why your assertions are correct.

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For example, the universe is huge. So to our human minds the stars are expanding so slow because it's so far away.
What led you to this belief? There's no validity to it whatsoever. Stars aren't expanding at all. In fact they're shrinking! Perhaps you're thinking of the expansion of the universe where all galaxies are receding from all other galaxies. I.e. the universe is expanding.

Sorry, but it doesn't sound like you have a solid understanding of dark matter.
« Last Edit: 26/05/2015 17:19:56 by PmbPhy »

Richie46n2

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Re: What dark matter really would be
« Reply #14 on: 26/05/2015 22:31:20 »
Hmm I see your point. I'm gonna need some time to answer these questions.

 

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