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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #125 on: 24/10/2007 20:44:04 »
TO JP

Welcome back! Good to see you again.

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #126 on: 24/10/2007 20:49:11 »
CHRIS

Very interesting to read about the difference between spectacular sex vs. ho-hum orgasm and how it can affect POIS! I wish I had kept a diary.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #127 on: 24/10/2007 22:02:02 »
CHRIS

Very interesting to read about the difference between spectacular sex vs. ho-hum orgasm and how it can affect POIS! I wish I had kept a diary.

demografx, I think it's right down to the cardio workout, which is generally agreed upon to produce a more energetic body.

I am trying to tear myself away from the PCs this afternoon and go outside for some exercise. I have a samll video production company at home so most of the time I'm sitting down editing stuff . . .
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #128 on: 25/10/2007 14:22:10 »
Look at your privates messages, answer if you want and send it to me in a private message.

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Very nice work Jim!

I would suggest everyone who experiences POIS to go for full hormonal blood tests. Try one 3-5 days after ejaculation and one 1-6 hours after ejaculation. If your healthy then your hormones like testosterone, prolactin, cortisol, estrogen shouldnt vary too much.

Usually after ejaculation for people who suffer POIS will have a drop in Test, a high increase in Prolactin, drop in cortisol and maybe an increase in estrogen.

Another test to try is for Thyroid free T3 and free T4. T3 is the important one.

If your like me and have gained weight 3 1/2 stones since the start of experiencing POIS then most likely your T3 is low and Armour would be required to try restart your Thyroid.

I have also found my IGF-1 levels are low Insulin Growth Factor. Im pretty sure this was from POSI as when younger i gained muscle and lost fat pretty well like it seems about much harder to do any.

Hope this helps.


Hi,
To make a summary of our symptoms you can answer to the followings questions if you want:

1)- Number of days after orgasm you have problems : 0.5-2
If lucky none.

-How many hours after orgasm start symptoms ? 1-6
- In the first jours after orgasm, how do you feel ?


Cold, Headaches, Nervous, Lack of Energy, Slow, Tense

2) Symptoms :
Give a mark for each symptom :
0=No   1=Very Low   2=Low    3=Average   4=Severe   5=Very Severe

-Physical tiredness 2-4
-Mental tiredness 3
-Lethargy/Derealisation (I cant wake up!) 3-4
-Lack of concentration/Brain fog 3
-Sweatings and heat feelings 1-2
-Cold feelings/cold hands/cold body 3
-Myalgias 3
-Anxiety 2
-Depression 2
-Agoraphobia/Social phobia 3-4
-Not motived 3
-Memory problems 2
-Difficult to speak/communication 3-4
-Insomnias/sleep porblems 1-3
-Headaches 4
-Stomachaches2
-Restless/agitation 2
-Blurred vision 2
-Buzzing ears 2
-Dizziness 2
-Muscle tremors3
-Diarrhea day1 2
-Hair problems 1
-Mouth problems  1
-Skin problems 1
-Eyes problems 3
-Short breathing Day1 2
-Premature Ejaculation 2
-Sexual pain after sex 2-3
-Erection problems 3-4
-Libido problems 3-4
Others Symptoms ?

3) What medical test you made ? In the days following orgasm ?

-Prolactine ? High Prolactin increases causes slow refractory time
amd an increase in Estrogen which lowers testosterone
and also Post orgasmic fatigue/headaches. High prolactin
lowers dopamine levels.

-Testosterone? Testosterone drops

Cortisol Drops causing an inabiity to deal with any stress


4)What meds did you test ? What effect on POIS ?

Testosterone Cyp : 32mg E2D = 128mg weekly IM Injection
HCG 200-250iu E2D Im Injection

Dostinex/Canbergoline : To lower Prolactin levels

Nolvadex/Letrozole/Aromasin : To lower Estrogen levels

Armour - To increase Free T3-T4 (Gained 3 1/2 stones since
start of POIS. Increase in Free T3 causes warmer body temperature
and faster metabolism which in turns creates better fat burning.

Cortisol : To increase Cortisol levels in the morning due to
tiredness/fatigue/headaches in the morning from low cortisol
levels.

Since staring the above protocol. POIS lasted from 4-7 days before
now usually 1day.

5)Others
-What about you diet ? Healthy to very healthy
Fish, Rice, Beef, Chicken, Fruits, Pork, 1 litre of Napao cabbage/lettuce/
celery blended juice a day or every 2nd day. Cheat meals maybe some Pizza
or some fried fish once a week.

-Sport ? Some weightlifting, bodyweight exercises, stand
up on punchbag, ground work on punchbag, skipping, biking.


-Heavy Computer user ? Yes due to internet business.

-Coffee user ? No, dont touch it.
others..

Thank you very much.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #129 on: 27/10/2007 09:19:33 »
1)- Number of days after orgasm you have problems :
2+

-How many hours after orgasm start symptoms ? 0+
- In the first jours after orgasm, how do you feel ?

extremely tired, headache

2. sympoms

-Physical tiredness 3-4
-Mental tiredness 3-4
-Lethargy/Derealisation (I cant wake up!) 2
-Lack of concentration/Brain fog 3-4
-Sweatings and heat feelings 3-4 (especially today)
-Cold feelings/cold hands/cold body 1
-Myalgias 1?
-Anxiety 3
-Depression 3
-Agoraphobia/Social phobia 5
-Not motived 4
-Memory problems 4
-Difficult to speak/communication 3-4
-Insomnias/sleep porblems 3-4
-Headaches 4
-Stomachaches1
-Restless/agitation 4
-Blurred vision 3 (but then my eyes are naturally exceptionally bad)
-Buzzing ears 3
-Dizziness 3
-Muscle tremors 3
-Diarrhea day1 1
-Hair problems 0
-Mouth problems  0
-Skin problems 3 (Herpes zoster?)
-Eyes problems 3 (but then my eyes are naturally exceptionally bad)
-Short breathing Day1 4
-Premature Ejaculation 0
-Sexual pain after sex 4
-Erection problems 0
-Libido problems 0 (sadly enough)
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #130 on: 27/10/2007 09:26:31 »
Excercise?

If you have no idea how you are going to make it up the stairs. You are not exactly going to run a marathon.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #131 on: 27/10/2007 09:30:20 »
What has helped me to overcome type 2 co´tal headache symptoms (severe explosion of headache right after orgasm) is relaxation.

I.e. when masturbation, you go on until you are close to orgasm. Then you go and do something else. This you repeat 3-4 times and eventually you orgasm.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #132 on: 27/10/2007 09:36:04 »
Libido problems 0 (sadly enough)

I.e. I can go any time any place and I can naturaly have multiple orgasms through further stimulation, without taking pills.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #133 on: 27/10/2007 16:28:49 »
Found online:

"The good news is that with or without treatment, benign sexual headaches tend to resolve all on their own."

Yes, when I am 70 I will be impotent and no longer have this problem. :-D
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #134 on: 27/10/2007 16:35:35 »
And here is an other one:

"Vomiting, loss of consciousness, meningismus, focal neurological deficits, and headache persisting for more than 24 hours are not consistent with benign coital headache."

So we can all be assured not to have benign co´tal headaches.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #135 on: 27/10/2007 19:17:08 »
After looking all day into the topic of hormones. I am quite confident about the results.

Especially social anxiety points into the direction of serotonin/dopamine insufficiency. This I am sure is related to sexual induced headache and fatigue. After orgasm these levels will drop even more, probably under some pain treshhold.

This is probably the reason why medication like SSRIs and SNRIs would work.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #136 on: 27/10/2007 19:31:06 »

Hi Chris.. You mentioned Citalopram, I am not a man , but have followed this thread for a long time. I have met many men with these problems and I sympathize. I was just drawn in by this med. I have been on it for quite awhile and just went off. It was making me extremely sick.. vomiting intense nausea more shortness of breath and the shakes.. it was not like that at first.. It was something that built up after long time usage,, I feel way better off them They were treating my Depression and anxiety also. I did notice a huge lack of interest in sex although I wasn't having any anyway, but...That was what was unusual.. it seemed to make me less interested altogether!  Has it decreased your desire to have sex??

Thanks Karen and all those who have replied to my initial postings. I find it interesting what you say about Citalopram. I have not suffered any of those side effects that you mention, but I do worry greatly about the long term use of SSRIs, given that there is no real data available (I guess we are the guinea pigs). I have a horrible feeling that it almost like a very very low level ecstasy trip, slowly rubbing your synapses raw through a constant exposure to higher than usual levels of whatever nt is being affected. Probably rubbish, but I would like to get off the Citalopram. I did try about 9 months ago, and had a very interesting experience that relates in part to POIS.

Approx Day 1-5: felt no change

Approx Day 6-10: began to feel physically powerful, energetic. I had sex about once a day for those days. Didn't suffer noticeable POIS. It was like waking from a long sleep into a fresh and crisp world , or a dying sun reigniting.

Approx Day 11-14: started to nose dive emotionally. Still felt physically strong, but paper-thin emotionally. Anxiety and depression hitting like a locomotive. Started taking the pills again! Soon after the levels of energy dropped off.

I'll happily answer those questions. I guess it would be a good idea to compare the medical, social and psychological histories of those who suffer from POIS. And I guess if we don't hear from that doctor, then we'll have to do it here ourselves.

On another note, someone else posted a previous topic on masturbation, specifically addressing the question of whether or not it may have some negative effects, due to either socio-psychological conditioning, or basic physiology. I think the first consideration is possible in some individuals, but the question of 'what's normal for the body' might bear thinking about: When I have great, bedbreaking, screaming and thrashing sex with my wife and my heart rate goes like I'm running a marathon and it takes a while to get my breath back and my orgasm was so strong I thought my head would fall off, I always suffer a lot less with POIS. I do get a drop in energy and my stomach goes a little funny and all the things I've described, but it's always a lot lot worse if I'm sitting quietly at home and have a quick **** that probably does not even raise my heart rate at all. After that I often feel like I've had all my energy drained away and I often go and lie down and sleep.

Thanks,

Chris

Like to try the zoloft but I guess I'd have to come off the citalopram first though.


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I noticed about the same symptoms of withdrawl from the antidepressant citalopram, I have been in down hill mode for about the same period, I have just had a heart procedure which is not helping the depression so am needing the doctor to help me again with a new one with less side effects..

Good luck to you Chris and any and all of the rest of you also..
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #137 on: 29/10/2007 05:02:57 »
ANTIDEPRESSANTS/SSRI's/SNRI

I have taken, for long periods (Cymbalta is new)
-Lexapro
-Prozac
-Paxil
-Cymbalta
-Effexor
None of these seem to help my POIS
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #138 on: 30/10/2007 19:25:36 »
Wow - this is a god-send to find out others suffer from the same thing. My post-orgasmic exhaustion began almost 22 years ago after I had a bad case of mononucleosis at the age of 20, and sent me into a long battle with depression (for which I have taken Prozac, Paxil, Paxil CR, Cymbalta, Selegiline, and stimulants). If I did it "too soon" after the last orgasm, the exhaustion and depression were worse than usual. I also have OCD, so if I waited "too long" between orgasms, the OCD would intensify (chalk it up to pent-up sexual tension). It has been a delicate balancing act, and I finally found it best to masturbate every four days (that way there's not an overdose of exhaustion or of OCD).

I finally got a break from the depression almost two years ago by taking 300mg Wellbutrin XL and 22.5mg Remeron, but the exhaustion remained, until a little over a month ago, when I started taking an over-the-counter DHEA supplement after masturbating. I haven't had any sexual exhaustion since. I started with 25mg DHEA, but it made the OCD worse, so I cut back to 12.5mg, and am still free of exhaustion, after almost 22 years of it!
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #139 on: 31/10/2007 05:06:03 »
Hello agjchs,

Welcome to the POIS Forum. And thank you for bringing much needed hope to others who now can possibly have similar success to yours. One question:
Are you "cured" with DHEA for POIS? Or are ther other symptoms related to post-orgasm that you still wish to alleviate?

Thank you!

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #140 on: 01/11/2007 21:04:19 »
POIS DAY ONE

Resisted the interest in a 2nd Round (Levitra can do that, it stays in your system about a day). I suspect it would have been a disaster if I gave in, Levitra or no. Somewhat tired, but very manageable and not "agony/anxiety-tinged exhaustion" as is so often the case. Will midday-nap now.

After the nap + rest:

Feeling much better. Rested a couple hours (dozed off briefly)- then had some caffeine. Hoping that tomorrow will continue the faster recovery cycle!
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #141 on: 02/11/2007 15:20:14 »
POIS DAY TWO

So far so good! Much stronger today but still resisting the urge for "a 2nd round". By the way, I quit milk/dairy products as someone (Dave23?) suggested.

Day Two Late Afternoon: continuing to recover to the point where I feel pretty normal. This is occurring at about HALF (1/2) the normal POIS recovery cycle without Levitra!

After 25+ years POIS struggles and experiments, I feel LEVITRA is working for me!
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #142 on: 03/11/2007 23:26:23 »
 Thank you!
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #143 on: 03/11/2007 23:36:17 »
POIS DAY THREE (Conclusion)

Not exhausted, but - on and off - still a little tired...it comes and goes, and because of sensations in all 10 fingertips (POIS is the ONLY time of my life I feel strange in my fingertips) - I still feel affected, albeit in a minor way, by POIS. Periodic naps/resting (twice today) help enormously. So this is by no means a perfect cure. My guess is that Levitra - for some strange reason - cuts the POIS symptoms in half or more - for me.

Keep in mind what my psychiatrist said: everyone is different. What works for me may or may not work for you. Best wishes to all, and thank you for being here, this Forum has helped me immensely! And I'm greedy...I want to continue to seek a 100% (not 50%+) solution to this lifelong misery!!! ;D
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #144 on: 05/11/2007 01:55:36 »
That is exactly what I was thinking, B_Jim !
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #145 on: 08/11/2007 04:08:42 »
DHEA

I asked my psychiatrist about the possibility of DHEA and he replied that DHEA is a precursor to testosterone and if the latter didn't work, it's unlikely that DHEA would.

Sigh...I wonder if this is more difficult than criminal detective work?  :)
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #146 on: 12/11/2007 11:41:59 »
newbielink:http://www.orkut.com/Community.aspx?cmm=39047985&refresh=1 [nonactive]  please join this community so we can easily interact and share our feelings i am so glad to find u all bcz no one understand what kind of disease we r facing only we can understand each other problem   god bless u all  and may god show us way to escape from this evil   please brothers be in touch   
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #147 on: 12/11/2007 11:50:49 »
or mail me on   varunn.kaushikk@gmail.com we have to unite first to fight this evil
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #148 on: 12/11/2007 13:01:23 »
or mail me on   varunn.kaushikk@gmail.com we have to unite first to fight this evil

VARRUN Regarding your earlier posts I have created this thread for you as I felt at the time they were not related to this thread....http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=11348.0


Please go there and elaborate as best as you can...or are you now saying you do in fact suffer from POIS ?
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #149 on: 15/11/2007 22:42:34 »
VARUNN: if your problem is with wet dreams and POIS, JP says in his post at the POIS Forum: "The only thing I have achieved in this years is that by having a trio of pills (1 for anxiety, 1 for depression, 1 for schizophrenia) I can control wet dreams, which were very frequent before taking them, and were ruining my life. At least now I have control over wet dreams, that were the worst... because I could not control them."

Try to contact JP to see if he can tell you what he takes, then TAKE THAT INFORMATION TO YOUR DOCTOR and see what he recommends. JPlewin's post is at
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.25
 
 

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