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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1250 on: 14/09/2008 20:42:27 »
I wasted many years (on and off) chasing the Taoist Mantak Chia's 5,000 year old idea that releasing sperm = losing chi = POIS. His books seemed to me to describe POIS, and that "losing" sperm is the culprit and should be avoided at all costs. So I finally learned his technique of achieving orgasm without ejaculation. But my POIS still raged on its destructive path as badly as it ever did!

I didn't find Mantak Chia's work to be particularly helpful either, but I did get some relief from taking Chinese
tonic herbs for "the deficiency" they addressed. I still take some of them to this day. And acupuncture, to a
lesser degree, has been helpful for certain symptoms of the CFS.
 

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« Reply #1251 on: 14/09/2008 22:15:29 »
Counterpoints,
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Is there anything else you are trying?

(Sorry I missed this)
Garlic has been the only addition to my diet. I eat a low fat diet with minimal hydrogenated fat (I hate how manufacturers are allowed to say there is zero trans fat when there is not zero trans fat!) and plenty of veggies. I am now making a point to include "goitrogenic" foods and kale, to test the thyroid angle... we'll see if I get some sleep.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goitrogen

Hey I just read this on Wikipedia:
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An association between thyroid disease and myasthenia gravis has been recognized. The thyroid disease, in this condition, is autoimmune in nature and approximately 5% of patients with myasthenia gravis also have hyperthyroidism. Myasthenia gravis rarely improves after thyroid treatment and the relationship between the two entities is not well understood

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperthyroidism

Although the tests did not come back positive, the diagnosis for my diplopia was "suspected myasthenia gravis".

"Autoimmune in nature", meaning some foreign invader is being attacked by the immune system, causing the havoc... something garlic might kill...

This is very interesting: 
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Many alternative medicine practitioners believe that symptoms of hyperthyroidism or hypothyroidism may appear before test results are positive.[citation needed][verification needed] One doctor[unreliable source?] is quoted as stating, "Blood test results do not show the inactivity or over-activity of a thyroid until it is 60% or more dysfunctional."
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1252 on: 15/09/2008 01:53:07 »
At last!!!

Thank you all for this great thread, I have just spent the last 4 hours reading every post. I have plenty I'd like to add to this thread, but I don't want to write some huge rambling post :)

Some people have theorized that POIS is caused by the loss of fluids in ejaculation, but others have been quick to point out that male non-ejaculatory orgasms and female orgasms have also reliably caused POIS to occur.
But surely in these cases, fluids were still produced - women become wet (via the Bartholin's glands) and men produce pre-ejaculate (from the Cowper's glands).
From my own (male) experience, I can confirm that on several occasions pre-ejaculate alone has led to the onset of POIS.

Is it possible that the body is draining vital resources from the brain and other places to replenish the genitals? Perhaps when reproduction is on the cards, the brain says "to hell with being able to think clearly, work and socialise, we need to have those fluids ready NOW!"

Just making a quick addition, keep up the great work, I hope to post here some more :)
 

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« Reply #1253 on: 15/09/2008 03:24:51 »
hurray, welcome to The POIS Forum! I like your theory of depletion/replenishment, it makes a lot of sense. Wouldn't it be great if we had unlimited funding to explore everything? Meanwhile, let's get cured! (And it does feel like we're getting there).

Don't forget to visit girlwind's POIS video at
 

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« Reply #1254 on: 15/09/2008 03:48:19 »
girlwind video

girlwind, I wonder if I made a mistake suggesting to add the word "sexual" to the tags? It seems that YouTube's "Related (to your POIS) Videos" show nearly-X-rated vids.

Whatever you think to do/not do is fine with me, I just wanted to bring that to your attention.
 

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« Reply #1255 on: 15/09/2008 04:13:32 »
Thanks, glad to be here! I'm going to try a few of the ideas detailed on this forum on myself, and I will be more than happy to post the results!

Good video, sums up PIOS really well.
 

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« Reply #1256 on: 15/09/2008 05:16:23 »
Hi to all !
I'm also interested in chinese medicine, i often read a lot about it on the web, simply because they believe in POIS while our occidental doctors laugh at us. However i have absolutely no experience with TCM except a few consultations(acupuncture).
Since some weeks now i wanted to post about this but i always put it for tomorrow (my energy and mood are extremely low these days because of pois and forced excessive work.)  Girlwind and Demografx you give me the opportunity to do it :

Please take the time to read these links (it's long but i hope good) :

- I like the fact that they seems to know exactly the causes (unfortunately in their own terms),and that they have a treatment with herbs :
http://www.acupuncture.com/conditions/noctemission.htm

- They say in the next link :  the essence (seminal fluid) or jing should be conserved, also it's written something about garlic which is influencing kidney yang (kidney is linked with adrenal but i can't see what is kidney yin or kidney yang).

I think the following is important for us: they say garlic (acrid spice) is good to nourrish and warm (?) the kidney qi and kidney yang BUT excess  acrid spices , prolonged use weakens kidney yang and kidney yin which we certainly want to avoid.
Page 217 here :
http://books.google.com/books?id=SWEwiMhSO-gC&pg=PA217&lpg=PA217&dq=garlic+kidney+yang&source=web&ots=1NHcgg1iea&sig=njGE_xIkp2zt5Ih-F3d5x3IqHkM&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result#PPA217,M1


About garlic i don't think it's good to take something you can't swallow easily because it's too strong. But i have no doubt, if you have a relatively good nervous system, then it's easier to support. It's all how you feel with. When i was totally sexually abstinent i was eating raw garlic every day with good results  (it's written in books of dietetic to eat garlic, onions and parsley every day) . But now i can't take a raw clove/day, there is a good effect at the begining and then something bad for me (increased annoying mental symptoms, and desire to sleep if taken during the day). Perhaps it's effective only if you're chaste.

- Very interesting links about cures for pois :
http://www.tcmassistant.com/symptoms/dizziness-after-ejaculation.html

Spermatorrhea is a seminal loss (without erotic dreams or toughts and without orgasm) which cause weakness. They give a treatment for this and an other one for erotic dreams. However I hope it's efficient for seminal loss considered normal and physiological :
http://www.tcmassistant.com/symptoms/sexual-disorders.html

Maybe a treatment for those who have diarrhea and/or seminal loss, Lotus seeds :
http://tcm.health-info.org/Herbology.Materia.Medica/lianzi-properties.htm
(google is full of pages about this herb)

Now with all the bad i've heard about toxicity with chinese remedies i don't know where i can safely buy these herbs. There is a web site  full of practitionners in the following link. It looks good for me. Maybe one of them can help us to explain pois in our own words and give assistance on where we can buy herbs.

practitionners:
http://www.chineseherbacademy.org/herbalists/index.shtml

Interesting articles :
http://www.chineseherbacademy.org/articles/index.shtml


I Hope this will help.

Keep Fighting  !!!
trials, research, letters, form, new ideas, ...
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1257 on: 15/09/2008 05:38:18 »
girlwind video

girlwind, I wonder if I made a mistake suggesting to add the word "sexual" to the tags? It seems that YouTube's "Related (to your POIS) Videos" show nearly-X-rated vids.

Whatever you think to do/not do is fine with me, I just wanted to bring that to your attention.

Demografx: I removed the word "sexual" from the tags.  So far the video has gotten about 500 hits.
But no comments after the first week. We'll see what happens next.

« Last Edit: 15/09/2008 05:42:03 by girlwind »
 

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« Reply #1258 on: 15/09/2008 05:43:19 »
Just want to put this out there: in Waldinger's research paper (which I was able to access through my school) there is a sentence suggesting oxytocin may inhibit cognition.  

I quote from his paper: "However, oxytocine has been suggested to negatively interfere with cognition (Geenen et al., 1988)."

Has anyone else investigated the references of his paper? They may lead to other related research that could reveal valuable pieces to this puzzle.  Also, does anyone know how to determine if other papers have cited Waldinger's paper?  Web of Knowledge does this, but I don't have access...

 

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« Reply #1259 on: 15/09/2008 10:56:33 »
Concerning supplements, I think I will add some Vit D after watching professor Michael Holick's video in the thread "Does sunscreen block vitamin D production?" Very interesting stuff!
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1260 on: 15/09/2008 11:22:57 »
I appreciate your compliments, girlwind and demografx. As for demografx's question about a scientific background; no, I've only had a long term laypersons interest in the relevant issues, so I've gradually picked up hints over the years. The argument about "psychological" vs "physical" depends not only on definitions but also individual philosophy. Also, it's obvious that both psychiatrists and naturopaths could be biased about what they are offering or selling, not just for financial reasons, but ideological too.

Do most people here experience a total absence of any symptoms once a POIS episode is over? Some people have mentioned being anxious or agitated even after recovering from an episode; however, since most healthy people seem to get agitated and frustrated without regular sexual release, and many people suffering POIS try to limit such release, this should be considered before answering. Thanks in advance.
 

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« Reply #1261 on: 15/09/2008 17:29:14 »

Do most people here experience a total absence of any symptoms once a POIS episode is over? Some people have mentioned being anxious or agitated even after recovering from an episode; however, since most healthy people seem to get agitated and frustrated without regular sexual release, and many people suffering POIS try to limit such release, this should be considered before answering. Thanks in advance.


Because of the CFS, I experience symptoms regularly, to a greater or lesser degree. When I'm having more viral activity in my
system, I feel restless agitation and a sort of low level anxiety from that. My POIS symptoms are a bit more exaggerated than
the viral symptoms but don't last as long. Also I had some improvement of the POIS symptoms last week, after beginning a
seaweed supplement for thyroid.
 

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« Reply #1262 on: 15/09/2008 18:51:35 »
Thanks, glad to be here! I'm going to try a few of the ideas detailed on this forum on myself, and I will be more than happy to post the results!

Good video, sums up PIOS really well.

Hello hurray.
Also, please see: http://pois.olympe-network.com

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« Reply #1263 on: 15/09/2008 19:35:03 »
Just want to put this out there: in Waldinger's research paper (which I was able to access through my school) there is a sentence suggesting oxytocin may inhibit cognition.  

I quote from his paper: "However, oxytocine has been suggested to negatively interfere with cognition (Geenen et al., 1988)."

Has anyone else investigated the references of his paper? They may lead to other related research that could reveal valuable pieces to this puzzle.  Also, does anyone know how to determine if other papers have cited Waldinger's paper?  Web of Knowledge does this, but I don't have access...
pyropeach, this was a fascinating post. Sorry that I can't help. Maybe someone else here can access Web of Knowledge?
 

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« Reply #1264 on: 15/09/2008 21:19:49 »
Demografx: I removed the word "sexual" from the tags.  So far the video has gotten about 500 hits.
But no comments after the first week. We'll see what happens next.
girlwind, that's terrific, thanks to your YouTube video, 500 more people have been exposed to the reality of POIS and to our POIS Forum
« Last Edit: 15/09/2008 21:34:42 by demografx »
 

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« Reply #1265 on: 16/09/2008 00:25:56 »
I don't know if there is an interest in chinese medicine to treat pois. Maybe i am because about five years ago I saw a documentary film about a clinic located in Germany, supposedly classified as a german hospital, where tcm practitioners are working with german occidental doctors. I have just found the link of this clinic. Unfortunately i'm living in America, but this can be a link between pois (tcm believe in this) and occidental doctors.
http://www.tcm-klinik-koetzting.de/website_eng/frameset.html
http://www.tcm-klinik-koetzting.de/website_eng/kurzprofil_unten.html
http://www.tcm-klinik-koetzting.de/website_eng/mablauf_unten.html

I'll write them to know if i can buy herbs there and if they are interested to give us suggestions (probably i'll have to pay for this). Maybe one of you will be able to help me with english or if someone want to add content to the letter, tell me.

Girlwind: Just a note to give you a feedback about my trial with betaine HCL. Unfortunately it wasn't effective. I think i have enough stomach acid because only 325mg 2 times/day for 4 days with first and second meal gave me pain in the stomach (i know exactly where it's located now !) Sorry for this, maybe others will be more lucky. About iodine deficiency i can say iodine helps to recover from pois. The effects for me are : i'm most able to speak to people, i'm more active, orgasm is more intense, more energy, sleep is better if taken in the morning. But as usual with me the bad effects are: palpitations (cured with hawthorn), more exhaustion after orgasm (more fluid loss ?), iodine force me to have an orgasm (very aphrodisiac). 
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« Reply #1266 on: 16/09/2008 04:56:49 »
Just want to put this out there: in Waldinger's research paper (which I was able to access through my school) there is a sentence suggesting oxytocin may inhibit cognition.  

I quote from his paper: "However, oxytocine has been suggested to negatively interfere with cognition (Geenen et al., 1988)."

Has anyone else investigated the references of his paper? They may lead to other related research that could reveal valuable pieces to this puzzle.  Also, does anyone know how to determine if other papers have cited Waldinger's paper?  Web of Knowledge does this, but I don't have access...
pyropeach, this is a terrific find! Is there any way that Waldinger's paper can be made available to all the listmembers here?
« Last Edit: 16/09/2008 05:03:00 by demografx »
 

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« Reply #1267 on: 16/09/2008 08:45:36 »
pyropeach, this is a terrific find! Is there any way that Waldinger's paper can be made available to all the listmembers here?

There's a copyright warning that explicitly says not to post the paper on a listserv or email it to multiple sites.  I can email it to anyone here who wants it.  I think this paper would be crucial in backing up our claims when if one day we finally find people willing to research this illness.
 

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« Reply #1268 on: 16/09/2008 15:39:22 »
I don't know if there is an interest in chinese medicine to treat pois. Maybe i am because about five years ago I saw a documentary film about a clinic located in Germany, supposedly classified as a german hospital, where tcm practitioners are working with german occidental doctors. I have just found the link of this clinic. Unfortunately i'm living in America, but this can be a link between pois (tcm believe in this) and occidental doctors.
http://www.tcm-klinik-koetzting.de/website_eng/frameset.html
http://www.tcm-klinik-koetzting.de/website_eng/kurzprofil_unten.html
http://www.tcm-klinik-koetzting.de/website_eng/mablauf_unten.html

I'll write them to know if i can buy herbs there and if they are interested to give us suggestions (probably i'll have to pay for this). Maybe one of you will be able to help me with english or if someone want to add content to the letter, tell me.

Girlwind: Just a note to give you a feedback about my trial with betaine HCL. Unfortunately it wasn't effective. I think i have enough stomach acid because only 325mg 2 times/day for 4 days with first and second meal gave me pain in the stomach (i know exactly where it's located now !) Sorry for this, maybe others will be more lucky. About iodine deficiency i can say iodine helps to recover from pois. The effects for me are : i'm most able to speak to people, i'm more active, orgasm is more intense, more energy, sleep is better if taken in the morning. But as usual with me the bad effects are: palpitations (cured with hawthorn), more exhaustion after orgasm (more fluid loss ?), iodine force me to have an orgasm (very aphrodisiac). 

Hello Martin 88--I would be willing to help you with your letter. I think it's great that there's a clinic where TCM and
Western medicine are working together. It's about time that happened!

I'm sorry that the Betaine HCL did not work for you and gave you stomach pain. I've been taking it daily for about 10
years and have experienced ONLY positive results. As you know, it dramatically changed my digestion and absorption for
the better. (Another example of how different we all are!) And the iodine, also (from a brown seaweed supplement called
Modifilan), has been giving me positive results. Within just 3 days after I began taking it, my energy had improved, and
this weird uncomfortable pressure in my throat began to disappear. I have not experienced it to be an aphrodisiac, just a
gentle energy support. The amount of iodine in it is very small--the dose I've been taking has only 200 mcg. of iodine.
But that has been enough for me to see changes quickly. Perhaps your dose is higher or you are more sensitive to the
iodine.

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1269 on: 16/09/2008 16:32:38 »
pyropeach, this is a terrific find! Is there any way that Waldinger's paper can be made available to all the listmembers here?

There's a copyright warning that explicitly says not to post the paper on a listserv or email it to multiple sites.  I can email it to anyone here who wants it.  I think this paper would be crucial in backing up our claims when if one day we finally find people willing to research this illness.
pyropeach, that is most generous of you to email to people here at POIS Forum! TO ALL: if you want the POIS research paper, you can reach pyropeach by clicking on the icon below his name that reads "Personal Message" and send him your email address outside this Forum. Dr. Waldinger's paper is the very first written on POIS, based on POIS sufferers whom he encountered at his hospital.
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« Reply #1270 on: 16/09/2008 19:46:20 »
Wow, so glad to of found this post.

I'm almost 19, and have been experiencing this problem deffinately since I could orgasm, I've gone to multiple doctors for hypoglycemia and low blood pressure and all of them kind of shrugged me off saying I should drink more caffeine. My second last year in high school, I spent mostly sleeping through classes because I was extremely tired all the time.

What I'd like to add is that I also experience A LOT of anxiety/paranoia/OCD type symptoms, but (I'm not 100% sure) I think that if I was to go orgasm free for a week I would definately feel a lot better. I have skimmed as much as I could in this thread but I feel better just asking, so far what have most of you done to counter this effect?

I have another problem, which is my girlfriend. We have sex once or maybe twice a week and I think the reason I overly masturbate is because I don't want to be so excited when I have sex, so I could last longer. But this is kind of counter intuitive. What I noticed once is that the longer I go from masturbating, the longer I lasted during sex. Can anyone else relate in this situation? Do others who suffer from POIS go the same way?
 

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« Reply #1271 on: 16/09/2008 22:03:48 »
I have bad news. I have fallen from my chastedom, and garlic is not saving me. It is not extreme, but I am definitely zoned out somewhat. I am so surprised, I thought I was out of the woods. Aaaaahhh! I'm not sure what to make of this....
 

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« Reply #1272 on: 16/09/2008 22:15:05 »
I have bad news. I have fallen from my chastedom, and garlic is not saving me. It is not extreme, but I am definitely zoned out somewhat. I am so surprised, I thought I was out of the woods. Aaaaahhh! I'm not sure what to make of this....
John21, so sorry to hear. But didn't you have 4-5 solid experiences? Maybe this is just an erratic glitch?
 

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« Reply #1273 on: 16/09/2008 22:18:22 »
CIALIS VS. LEVITRA

If anyone here can help find out what the difference is between the 2 ED drugs, maybe we'll learn something about what works for POIS. Although they both do the same thing (Cialis is longerlasting), only Levitra works on my POIS, and very well. Cialis doesn't help one tiny bit.
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« Reply #1274 on: 16/09/2008 22:22:32 »
MattJ, welcome to The POIS Forum! Read through the posts and you'll find different relief startegies from different people. Pick someone's experience who comes closest to yours. Looking forward to your future contributions here.
 

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