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« Reply #12975 on: 28/04/2011 01:46:44 »
Vincent Marcus :thanks !

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« Reply #12976 on: 28/04/2011 02:15:48 »

Dave, I'm  not being sarcastic, but what other evidence do I really need now to conclude that  "Sperm has nothing to do with my POIS"?

Semen, of course, is still a possibility for me (though I'm skeptical of that).


Sorry, I'm not trying to be a smart a.s either, although it may sound like it, please don't take it as a lack of respect!

Unfortunately you don't have a sperm count from before you started your "T". You say your "T" saved your life! So it has been critical in your betterment.

MAYBE you didn't have sperm before you started the "T", but since you've got two kids, you had sperm at one point, and you've had POIS for 30 yrs!

MAYBE the TRT stopped your sperm and is the principal reason your POIS dimished.

Yes, you still have POIS, and no sperm, but considering the other evidence we still can't rule out sperm as having NO effect over your POIS.

There's a high possibility (in my opinion) that Lauracostis is right, in which case it could be much more sure that sperm has no influence over your POIS.

But as I see it right now, I don't think you can rule out sperm as having some influence. And of course we are talking about your case, in any case.

I think this is an important point, because it has an influence over what others are going to do here. Everything we do here has an influence over what others are going to do.

Every seemingly failed test leads everyone to think that the tested option is OUT, because we jump to conclusions on limited data or a limited number of test cases.

So there, I said it. Basically we can't say one way or the other. I guess we can only say that testosterone helped you, which is probably what matters most. We just need to know why!


I don't take what you say as critical of me at all. The reason I continue this dialogue with great interest is the same as it is for you: what can we learn from my case that can benefit POIS and other sufferers?

Perhaps this is oversimplifying, but I think you would agree: today, right now, sperm is not affecting my POIS. Forget the past.

Do you agree with that statement?

SOMETHING - again, only TODAY  - is causing my POIS. And it CAN'T be sperm! (I have Zero Sperm Count). Today.

My original simple posting about my "amazement" at no-sperm reflected my puzzlement over:  WHAT is causing my POIS today???


Amazing to learn that sperm has nothing to do with my POIS! edit - maybe I should have added 'today' ?


For now, just for now, can we leave out the past and take it up again in another installment?

I'd like to see if we differ about right here and now.

Thanks for continuing.

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #12977 on: 28/04/2011 04:05:42 »

Yes, seminal plasma is semen. Sent from Blackberry.


Semen is sent from Blackberry????  ::) :o ;D :D ???
 

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« Reply #12978 on: 28/04/2011 05:33:36 »

Dave, I'm  not being sarcastic, but what other evidence do I really need now to conclude that  "Sperm has nothing to do with my POIS"?

Semen, of course, is still a possibility for me (though I'm skeptical of that).


Sorry, I'm not trying to be a smart a.s either, although it may sound like it, please don't take it as a lack of respect!

Unfortunately you don't have a sperm count from before you started your "T". You say your "T" saved your life! So it has been critical in your betterment.

MAYBE you didn't have sperm before you started the "T", but since you've got two kids, you had sperm at one point, and you've had POIS for 30 yrs!

MAYBE the TRT stopped your sperm and is the principal reason your POIS dimished.

Yes, you still have POIS, and no sperm, but considering the other evidence we still can't rule out sperm as having NO effect over your POIS.

There's a high possibility (in my opinion) that Lauracostis is right, in which case it could be much more sure that sperm has no influence over your POIS.

But as I see it right now, I don't think you can rule out sperm as having some influence. And of course we are talking about your case, in any case.

I think this is an important point, because it has an influence over what others are going to do here. Everything we do here has an influence over what others are going to do.

Every seemingly failed test leads everyone to think that the tested option is OUT, because we jump to conclusions on limited data or a limited number of test cases.

So there, I said it. Basically we can't say one way or the other. I guess we can only say that testosterone helped you, which is probably what matters most. We just need to know why!


I don't take what you say as critical of me at all. The reason I continue this dialogue with great interest is the same  for me as it is for you: what can we learn from my case that can benefit POIS and other sufferers?

Perhaps this is oversimplifying, but I think you would agree: today, right now, sperm is not affecting my POIS. Forget the past.

Do you agree with that statement?

SOMETHING - again, only TODAY  - is causing my POIS. And it CAN'T be sperm! (I have Zero Sperm Count). Today.

My original simple posting about my "amazement" at no-sperm reflected my puzzlement over:  WHAT is causing my POIS today???


Amazing to learn that sperm has nothing to do with my POIS! edit - maybe I should have added 'today' ?


For now, just for now, can we leave out the past and take it up again in another installment?

I'd like to see if we differ about right here and now.

Thanks for continuing.



Just as another Guinea pig here, with a similar story...
I was surprised to find out that I still had POIS after my oriechtomy, which left me unable to produce sperm. But, I think stopping my sperm production helped, it got rid of about maybe 20% of my symptoms. It was a significant improvement. Without getting into listing which actual symptoms went away, and which persisted, for which I would need to delve into my notes.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #12979 on: 28/04/2011 06:04:26 »
Animus, thanks for contributing to The Great Sperm Mystery! :)
 

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« Reply #12980 on: 28/04/2011 06:19:43 »

Animus, I spoke to Prof. dr. Waldinger today, and he is very excited about watching your starring role in The Learning Channel May 22 TV Show on POIS.

If you can obtain a copy for him, I'll be happy to reimburse the cost. Wait for the mailing address from me as to where he'd like it sent. Thanks!

I assume you have hired an Agent and will be doing a Publicity Tour soon. Maybe you can replace Charlie Sheen.......whoops, getting offtopic now.....
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #12981 on: 28/04/2011 06:24:08 »

Demo, did that sweet potato have any [POIS] effect?


No, but it was delicious!  :)
 

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« Reply #12982 on: 28/04/2011 08:24:22 »
I'll have important test results very soon on the specific IgE antibodies to seminal plasma proteins, which is seen in women with seminal plasma hypersensitivity.

For the last 2.5 months I've worked with Dr. Bernstein and the University of Cincinnati Allergy Laboratory.


The results might find a place in the compendium, I defiantly look forward to seeing them.

Something I wanted to bring up before is my somewhat effective use of Chinese medicine.  While in China, the Chinese doctor told me my kidneys are weak and recommended I drink a cup of the following medicine twice a day.  10g cinnamon bark, 10g dried ginger, 10g fresh ginger, and 8 dried dates boiled in a pot until half the water evaporates.  After drinking this for a few months now, I have noticed more mental and physical energy that help compensate for the brain fog, anxiety, and overall fatigue. 
 

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« Reply #12983 on: 28/04/2011 11:59:27 »
I'll have important test results very soon on the specific IgE antibodies to seminal plasma proteins, which is seen in women with seminal plasma hypersensitivity.

For the last 2.5 months I've worked with Dr. Bernstein and the University of Cincinnati Allergy Laboratory.


The results might find a place in the compendium, I defiantly look forward to seeing them.

Something I wanted to bring up before is my somewhat effective use of Chinese medicine.  While in China, the Chinese doctor told me my kidneys are weak and recommended I drink a cup of the following medicine twice a day.  10g cinnamon bark, 10g dried ginger, 10g fresh ginger, and 8 dried dates boiled in a pot until half the water evaporates.  After drinking this for a few months now, I have noticed more mental and physical energy that help compensate for the brain fog, anxiety, and overall fatigue. 

Pyro, with your permission, I'd like to copy this to the other forum. We've got a special place for successful remedies.

BTW I will also be including a reference to your compendium in our WEB cover page.

Thx.

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« Reply #12984 on: 28/04/2011 12:24:45 »

Amazing to learn that sperm has nothing to do with my POIS! edit - maybe I should have added 'today' ?




For now, just for now, can we leave out the past and take it up again in another installment?

I'd like to see if we differ about right here and now.

Thanks for continuing.



Absolutely agreed that the saga is not complete and that the last secret needs to be revealed.
There's a ton of information buried in your case, just some of which has and is coming to the surface. THE PAST CANNOT BE DISCOUNTED however, I guess that is what I was afraid of, and coming to a conclusion that sperm has/had nothing to do with your POIS.

As I said, and I think we agree, that it may be possible that sperm didn't have anything to do with your POIS, but we don't know. It does seem sure that sperm doesn't have anything to do with your POIS NOW, obviously!

Although it might sound like it, whether sperm had or had not any effect over your POIS is much less important to me than getting to the truth.

We need more tests of the t/p method, with all the associated controls!
We need more tests of Silodosin, and in combination with results of the semen protien tests, we might, just might start to understand a bit of what's going on!

We probably should pursue some of the ideas presented in the report your endo liked..... who was that again. I'll have to dig around and find the report and read it!!

And THEN we need to find more in depth tests that can elucidate Lauracostis' hypothesis.

 

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« Reply #12985 on: 28/04/2011 16:40:33 »
I'll have important test results very soon on the specific IgE antibodies to seminal plasma proteins, which is seen in women with seminal plasma hypersensitivity.

For the last 2.5 months I've worked with Dr. Bernstein and the University of Cincinnati Allergy Laboratory.


The results might find a place in the compendium, I defiantly look forward to seeing them.

Something I wanted to bring up before is my somewhat effective use of Chinese medicine.  While in China, the Chinese doctor told me my kidneys are weak and recommended I drink a cup of the following medicine twice a day.  10g cinnamon bark, 10g dried ginger, 10g fresh ginger, and 8 dried dates boiled in a pot until half the water evaporates.  After drinking this for a few months now, I have noticed more mental and physical energy that help compensate for the brain fog, anxiety, and overall fatigue. 

Pyro, with your permission, I'd like to copy this to the other forum. We've got a special place for successful remedies.

BTW I will also be including a reference to your compendium in our WEB cover page.

Thx.



Permission granted daveman :)  I wonder if it'd be a good idea to put a compendium suggestion section on the other forum?  With the complexity of the new forum, I think its even more necessary to have a compendium (which is basically the website) that gives a comprehensive summary/overview of everything going on and highlights important/prominent revaluations amongst all the discussions (I guess kind of like what reddit does on the internet).
 

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« Reply #12986 on: 28/04/2011 17:01:55 »
For you pyro, whatever you'd like to see!!!

 

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« Reply #12987 on: 28/04/2011 17:12:07 »

I'll have important test results very soon...


I defiantly look forward to seeing them.


Forgive me, I couldn't stop myself! ;D
 

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« Reply #12988 on: 28/04/2011 17:15:07 »
I think someone may have mentioned this but for the POIS tv show animus will be on, if possible it would be cool if someone could record it and put it on youtube of course with animus's permission. I myself don't have the equipment to do so.
 

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« Reply #12989 on: 28/04/2011 17:21:36 »

Amazing to learn that sperm has nothing to do with my POIS! edit - maybe I should have added 'today' ?


For now, just for now, can we leave out the past and take it up again in another installment?

I'd like to see if we differ about right here and now.



...THE PAST CANNOT BE DISCOUNTED...

emphasis mine - demo


OK, I see the problem.

You and I are in synch.

My only concern is that we simplify this.

If I am getting confused about my own case, others must be even worse off!

Dave, I am simply trying to break this down into more manageable bits of information.

Starting with the present.

I'd like to understand THAT first before moving on to the multiple scenarios that you (and Lauracostis, and others) elucidate so well.

This might not be the way you think of it, but I am still back to my FIRST question (not to you, just in general)...

"WHAT is causing my POIS today?" (Hint: it is NOT sperm ;D)

And - again, just to MY way of thinking - once that question is addressed, that's just the way MY little brain works...THEN I can move on to the other more complex, interactive factors that you suggest.

Perhaps some others reading this might also think in a more primitive way like I do. :)

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« Reply #12990 on: 28/04/2011 17:34:45 »
"WHAT is causing my POIS today?"

And - again, just to MY way of thinking - once that question is addressed, that's just the way MY little brain works...I can move on to the other more complex, interactive factors that you suggest.

Perhaps others think in a primitive way like I do. :)

It would be wonderful if an answer would just appear for a question upon asking it!

You see? To answer your question, we can look for others who have answered it.... must be millions out there?

Or we can keep on asking smaller questions that we can answer. Which is what I suggest with the "more complex, interactive factors" that I mentioned. Hey it's a bummer, and it's gone beyond easy... is that going to stop us?

I don't know, how else do you propose we resolve your primary question?

 

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« Reply #12991 on: 28/04/2011 17:36:37 »
I think someone may have mentioned this but for the POIS tv show animus will be on, if possible it would be cool if someone could record it and put it on youtube of course with animus's permission. I myself don't have the equipment to do so.

Youtube has a limit of 1GB and/or 10 min or something like that... might be a problem, unless we do an extract.
 

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« Reply #12992 on: 28/04/2011 17:41:41 »

how...do you propose we resolve your primary question?


Dave, I don't think there is an answer yet. I am frankly overwhelmed and stunned by it, because my pet theory [edit - in reality, moreso a strong hunch rather than theory] for over 2 years now...has been destroyed!...demolished!...i.e., "my sperm regeneration speed is the cause of my POIS."

edit - maybe replace "sperm" with "semen"?
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« Reply #12993 on: 28/04/2011 17:42:53 »
I think someone may have mentioned this but for the POIS tv show animus will be on, if possible it would be cool if someone could record it and put it on youtube of course with animus's permission. I myself don't have the equipment to do so.

Youtube has a limit of 1GB and/or 10 min or something like that... might be a problem, unless we do an extract.


There is a new YouTube limit now. 30-45 minutes I think.

edit - here is their message to some users: "Congratulations! Your account is now enabled for uploads longer than 15 minutes. Click the Upload button below to select a video."
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« Reply #12994 on: 28/04/2011 17:47:40 »

...it's gone beyond easy...


Maybe that's the part I'm having trouble with.
 

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« Reply #12995 on: 28/04/2011 18:04:07 »

I think someone may have mentioned this but for the POIS tv show animus will be on, if possible it would be cool if someone could record it and put it on youtube of course with animus's permission. I myself don't have the equipment to do so.


VM, I just passed your post on to the TV producer, asking if this is possible.
 

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« Reply #12996 on: 28/04/2011 18:23:59 »
I'll have important test results very soon on the specific IgE antibodies to seminal plasma proteins, which is seen in women with seminal plasma hypersensitivity.

For the last 2.5 months I've worked with Dr. Bernstein and the University of Cincinnati Allergy Laboratory.


Does seminal plasma protiens mean "no sperm"? That would be a very cool test!

Nice one limejuice, I like your style, drop in once in a while, but you make sure to drop great bombs on us.

So those protein, is he testing every seminal protein or just does known to affect women.
It would be nice if he can also test sperm without seminal protein  that would answer alot of question.
 

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« Reply #12997 on: 28/04/2011 18:38:06 »
I'll have important test results very soon on the specific IgE antibodies to seminal plasma proteins, which is seen in women with seminal plasma hypersensitivity.

For the last 2.5 months I've worked with Dr. Bernstein and the University of Cincinnati Allergy Laboratory.


The results might find a place in the compendium, I defiantly look forward to seeing them.

Something I wanted to bring up before is my somewhat effective use of Chinese medicine.  While in China, the Chinese doctor told me my kidneys are weak and recommended I drink a cup of the following medicine twice a day.  10g cinnamon bark, 10g dried ginger, 10g fresh ginger, and 8 dried dates boiled in a pot until half the water evaporates.  After drinking this for a few months now, I have noticed more mental and physical energy that help compensate for the brain fog, anxiety, and overall fatigue. 

Pyro, with your permission, I'd like to copy this to the other forum. We've got a special place for successful remedies.

BTW I will also be including a reference to your compendium in our WEB cover page.

Thx.



Permission granted daveman :)  I wonder if it'd be a good idea to put a compendium suggestion section on the other forum?  With the complexity of the new forum, I think its even more necessary to have a compendium (which is basically the website) that gives a comprehensive summary/overview of everything going on and highlights important/prominent revaluations amongst all the discussions (I guess kind of like what reddit does on the internet).

Welcome Back!!!
 

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« Reply #12998 on: 28/04/2011 18:42:45 »
I'll have important test results very soon on the specific IgE antibodies to seminal plasma proteins, which is seen in women with seminal plasma hypersensitivity.

For the last 2.5 months I've worked with Dr. Bernstein and the University of Cincinnati Allergy Laboratory.


Does seminal plasma protiens mean "no sperm"? That would be a very cool test!

Nice one limejuice, I like your style, drop in once in a while, but you make sure to drop great bombs on us.

So those protein, is he testing every seminal protein or just does known to affect women.
It would be nice if he can also test sperm without seminal protein  that would answer alot of question.

The test is comprehensive of the human immune system and includes all mediators - IgE, IgM, IgG, and T-Cells.  It should truely determine if POIS is a reaction to seminal plasma or something else.  After all the test is $2,000.
 

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« Reply #12999 on: 28/04/2011 20:04:40 »

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Nice one limejuice, I like your style, drop in once in a while, but you make sure to drop great bombs on us.

So those protein, is he testing every seminal protein or just does known to affect women.
It would be nice if he can also test sperm without seminal protein  that would answer alot of question.
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The test is comprehensive of the human immune system and includes all mediators - IgE, IgM, IgG, and T-Cells.  It should truely determine if POIS is a reaction to seminal plasma or something else.  After all the test is $2,000.
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Nice am excited, hope you didnt have to pay out of pocket for that.
 

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