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« Reply #13125 on: 09/05/2011 20:21:16 »
John21 and B_Jim, I will be getting a dvd copy of the show after it airs. Once I do, I'll see if I can try to get it to those of you who want to see it! Or somehow upload it.  Thanks!

That's fantastic, thank you!

Thank you again!
 

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« Reply #13126 on: 09/05/2011 21:18:19 »

I also would love to see the TLC program online somehow, I don't currently have cable.


You think that YOU have problems?? Daveman will be trying to play the DVD on his 45 rpm turntable, wondering why it doesn't make any sound!!

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« Reply #13127 on: 09/05/2011 22:19:58 »
Demo,

I received this Google alert today for POIS --
http://allergynotes.blogspot.com/2011/05/postorgasmic-illness-syndrome-pois.html

The author (this is the important part!) is Dr. Ves Dimov -- http://www.uchicagokidshospital.org/physicians/ves-dimov.html.  He would definitely not put his reputation at stake by writing about some imaginary illness called POIS.  He apparently takes it very seriously.

Not shabby -- at all!

POIS has now officially gone mainstream, as far as I'm concerned. :-)  The University of Chicago is a GREAT medical/research hospital--we have awarded several research grants there because of the quality of their research.

Do you men know about him already??

I'll be happy to write to him about potential testing for POIS, etc -- but would you prefer to write??

Stefanie



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« Reply #13128 on: 10/05/2011 01:39:07 »

I also would love to see the TLC program online somehow, I don't currently have cable.


You think that YOU have problems?? Daveman will be trying to play the DVD on his 45 rpm turntable, wondering why it doesn't make any sound!!



What's a DVD?
 

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« Reply #13129 on: 10/05/2011 01:51:44 »
 ;D ;D ;D
 

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« Reply #13130 on: 10/05/2011 14:39:30 »
Am just curious when the other forum gets bigger and starts becoming more of the focus of attention, it is going to result in NSF traffic reducing which will result in NSF loosing its ranking in search engines.  i was wondering if there is a plan for that in the future.
I know one way is to index the new site in google and also find ways to broadcast the site around the internet and also volume helps.

I remeber it took three years before NSF went up to number 1/ number 2, we cant afford that with the new forum, if it is becomes the main focus.

Hi CCconfucius,

Huge though our thread is, the POIS posts only account for a fraction of their overall traffic. TNS has an enormous PageRank of 7/10 - by comparison, the Yahoo directory has a PageRank of 8/10 (10/10 only goes to the likes of Google, Youtube and Facebook). There is so much POIS-related unique content on this forum that this thread will always rank highly for POIS and its accompanying symptoms.

No matter how big the new forum gets, it will always be a lot harder to find due to its relative obscurity (with regards to search engines). Not much we can do about that, but there will always be plenty of new posters coming from TNS.

Plus I don't really think the traffic on this thread will slow down too much, if at all. More and more people are discovering POIS, especially since the recent major news coverage. It was only a short time ago that we passed the 1,000,000 views milestone - we are already past 1,100,000

Since the new forum allows a variety of simultaneous discussions to take place, I find myself logging in and posting things that I would not post on the TNS thread - I don't want to clutter this thread up with too many posts, not an issue at the new forum. I suspect many TNS regulars feel the same way, and traffic will continue to grow at a healthy rate on both forums.

This thread keeps me up to date when I don't have time to go through the other forum - when time is plentiful, I can contribute over there also. A win/win situation for everybody.
 

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« Reply #13131 on: 10/05/2011 16:03:58 »
Some good points hurray. Particularly what you say about both forums being quite active.

One of the MOST important factors to consider in the creation of the new forum, was the potent pull that NSF has.

The desire was to provide a new forum where a focus in activity could be achieved through the ability to separate topics. We didn't want two NSFs, nor to take away from what NSF had. The new forum has a completely diferent style, and initial reactions to this new style and interactions desired by the users tended to stay tied to a NSF way. But now that the forum is up and running, a natural feel and usage style is setting in for each forum, just as you indicate; you go to one for one thing and another for another.

What we want to do, to further facilitate access and a more seamless interactivity is join everything together with a well designed POIS Center.

We are in the process of preparing conditions and implementing an integrated Search Engine Optimization Scheme. Part of this plan in a second stage involves dedicated sponsors which will initially help pay for Google Ad exposure.

Google Ad exposure is very efficient for our application. Whereas it may have a 1% efficiency per click at best for normal sales applications, it has an efficiency closer to 80% per click for POIS sufferers looking for a "home".

So although in this moment it seems like forums here and forums there, and databases in other place and compendiums etc. we are going to unite into one entity. And new resources are and will be attracted, like NORD and other rare disease facilities, where you tend to find community in the understanding of little understood suffering.

I feel that we are JUST getting started, and with OUR group, it's going to be really exciting!

 

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« Reply #13132 on: 10/05/2011 20:40:23 »

Am just curious when the other forum gets bigger and starts becoming more of the focus of attention, it is going to result in NSF traffic reducing which will result in NSF loosing its ranking in search engines.  i was wondering if there is a plan for that in the future.
I know one way is to index the new site in google and also find ways to broadcast the site around the internet and also volume helps.

I remeber it took three years before NSF went up to number 1/ number 2, we cant afford that with the new forum, if it is becomes the main focus.

Hi CCconfucius,

Huge though our thread is, the POIS posts only account for a fraction of their overall traffic. TNS has an enormous PageRank of 7/10 - by comparison, the Yahoo directory has a PageRank of 8/10 (10/10 only goes to the likes of Google, Youtube and Facebook). There is so much POIS-related unique content on this forum that this thread will always rank highly for POIS and its accompanying symptoms.

No matter how big the new forum gets, it will always be a lot harder to find due to its relative obscurity (with regards to search engines). Not much we can do about that, but there will always be plenty of new posters coming from TNS.

Plus I don't really think the traffic on this thread will slow down too much, if at all. More and more people are discovering POIS, especially since the recent major news coverage. It was only a short time ago that we passed the 1,000,000 views milestone - we are already past 1,100,000

Since the new forum allows a variety of simultaneous discussions to take place, I find myself logging in and posting things that I would not post on the TNS thread - I don't want to clutter this thread up with too many posts, not an issue at the new forum. I suspect many TNS regulars feel the same way, and traffic will continue to grow at a healthy rate on both forums.

This thread keeps me up to date when I don't have time to go through the other forum - when time is plentiful, I can contribute over there also. A win/win situation for everybody.


Hurray, thank you so much for your perspective on the new major developments and changes in POIS' Internet-web presence!
 

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« Reply #13133 on: 10/05/2011 20:59:21 »

I feel that we are JUST getting started, and with OUR group, it's going to be really exciting!


I disagree. I think it's exciting already! :)
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« Reply #13134 on: 11/05/2011 02:59:49 »
Am just curious when the other forum gets bigger and starts becoming more of the focus of attention, it is going to result in NSF traffic reducing which will result in NSF loosing its ranking in search engines.  i was wondering if there is a plan for that in the future.
I know one way is to index the new site in google and also find ways to broadcast the site around the internet and also volume helps.

I remeber it took three years before NSF went up to number 1/ number 2, we cant afford that with the new forum, if it is becomes the main focus.

Hi CCconfucius,

Huge though our thread is, the POIS posts only account for a fraction of their overall traffic. TNS has an enormous PageRank of 7/10 - by comparison, the Yahoo directory has a PageRank of 8/10 (10/10 only goes to the likes of Google, Youtube and Facebook). There is so much POIS-related unique content on this forum that this thread will always rank highly for POIS and its accompanying symptoms.

No matter how big the new forum gets, it will always be a lot harder to find due to its relative obscurity (with regards to search engines). Not much we can do about that, but there will always be plenty of new posters coming from TNS.

Plus I don't really think the traffic on this thread will slow down too much, if at all. More and more people are discovering POIS, especially since the recent major news coverage. It was only a short time ago that we passed the 1,000,000 views milestone - we are already past 1,100,000

Since the new forum allows a variety of simultaneous discussions to take place, I find myself logging in and posting things that I would not post on the TNS thread - I don't want to clutter this thread up with too many posts, not an issue at the new forum. I suspect many TNS regulars feel the same way, and traffic will continue to grow at a healthy rate on both forums.

This thread keeps me up to date when I don't have time to go through the other forum - when time is plentiful, I can contribute over there also. A win/win situation for everybody.

i agree with your all your points, but i believed the goal was to eventually make the move to the other website so things can be more organize. I was not sure about how quickly that transition was going to happen that is why i was curious why we are not trying to create visibility as early as possible and using all the tools available.
As long as we are taking it slowly, nsf is definately taking care of the exposure we need, evident by the current flow of new people.
When it is time to get a domain i believe there is a ways we can share the cost one person shouldnt just do it. 
 

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« Reply #13135 on: 11/05/2011 03:04:28 »
i tried to become a patient of dr david khan at UTexas southwestern, he denied me. I dont know why he denied me eventhough he has treated semen allergy before( i believe in women) and he is only 4 hrs away from me.
i dont know if you want me to put him in the database or not.

I also talked to dr chadwick i believe. in newyork about 2 months ago, he also treats semen allergy in women but also said he cant treat POIS. ( i dont know if i have mentioned him in the forum yet or not.)
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« Reply #13136 on: 11/05/2011 03:05:53 »
Am just curious when the other forum gets bigger and starts becoming more of the focus of attention, it is going to result in NSF traffic reducing which will result in NSF loosing its ranking in search engines.  i was wondering if there is a plan for that in the future.
I know one way is to index the new site in google and also find ways to broadcast the site around the internet and also volume helps.

I remeber it took three years before NSF went up to number 1/ number 2, we cant afford that with the new forum, if it is becomes the main focus.

Hi CCconfucius,

Huge though our thread is, the POIS posts only account for a fraction of their overall traffic. TNS has an enormous PageRank of 7/10 - by comparison, the Yahoo directory has a PageRank of 8/10 (10/10 only goes to the likes of Google, Youtube and Facebook). There is so much POIS-related unique content on this forum that this thread will always rank highly for POIS and its accompanying symptoms.

No matter how big the new forum gets, it will always be a lot harder to find due to its relative obscurity (with regards to search engines). Not much we can do about that, but there will always be plenty of new posters coming from TNS.

Plus I don't really think the traffic on this thread will slow down too much, if at all. More and more people are discovering POIS, especially since the recent major news coverage. It was only a short time ago that we passed the 1,000,000 views milestone - we are already past 1,100,000

Since the new forum allows a variety of simultaneous discussions to take place, I find myself logging in and posting things that I would not post on the TNS thread - I don't want to clutter this thread up with too many posts, not an issue at the new forum. I suspect many TNS regulars feel the same way, and traffic will continue to grow at a healthy rate on both forums.

This thread keeps me up to date when I don't have time to go through the other forum - when time is plentiful, I can contribute over there also. A win/win situation for everybody.


i agree with your all your points, but i believed the goal was to eventually make the move to the other website so things can be more organize. I was not sure about how quickly that transition was going to happen that is why i was curious why we are not trying to create visibility as early as possible and using all the tools available.
As long as we are taking it slowly, nsf is definately taking care of the exposure we need, evident by the current flow of new people.
When it is time to get a domain i believe there is a ways we can share the cost one person shouldnt just do it. 



CC, thanks for your Great Support. As always!!!  :)
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« Reply #13137 on: 11/05/2011 03:08:36 »
i tried to become a patient of dr david khan at UTexas southwestern, he denied me. I dont know why he denied me eventhough he has treated semen allergy before( i believe in women) and he is only 4 hrs away from me.
i dont know if you want me to put him in the database or not.

I also talked to dr chadwick i believe. in newyork about 2 months ago, he also treats semen allergy in women but also said he cant treat POIS. ( i dont know if i have mentioned him in the forum yet or not.)

CC, YOUR judgement about potential Collaborators is most important!

If YOU  think someone is a dork, I don't think he belongs in the database.
 

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« Reply #13138 on: 11/05/2011 03:14:22 »
Demografx just trying to do my best for the forum, Thank you.
 

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« Reply #13139 on: 11/05/2011 13:06:46 »
i tried to become a patient of dr david khan at UTexas southwestern, he denied me. I dont know why he denied me eventhough he has treated semen allergy before( i believe in women) and he is only 4 hrs away from me.
i dont know if you want me to put him in the database or not.

I also talked to dr chadwick i believe. in newyork about 2 months ago, he also treats semen allergy in women but also said he cant treat POIS. ( i dont know if i have mentioned him in the forum yet or not.)

Both of those might be better suited to the "Labs and facilities" database.

BTW when the databases and forum change to the new domain, I'll be trying to leave an automatic redirect from the present addresses so as to facilitate your accesses, but it is recommended of course to use the new reference (once that is revealed). Until then, you can still use the present facilities, as nothing will be lost in the transition.

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« Reply #13140 on: 11/05/2011 21:26:23 »

Demografx just trying to do my best for the forum, Thank you.


I know you are, CC, and I can't thank you enough!
 

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« Reply #13141 on: 12/05/2011 08:20:16 »
Tsup John21,
What I've been dealing with is something quite a bit in reverse. Of course after sexual activity comes a time I regret I do live, which is I think quite normal for human males, but there comes a time after that that I am into only thinking. Takes some few hours for such a shake. It's just that I think it is hard for You to manage without sexual activity and I do not want to make fake hope to You, but did You try to specificate Your type of a sexual partner? Maybe it's not biological, but stays in the psyche?
For example. I am sanguine (personality, character, temperament - wiki and other sites for search) and I hate being interested in other sanguines. But I love to be interested in phlegmatics, who seem to be more attractive for me. Quite frankly the worst kind of commitment is between a sanguine and a sanguine... so I believe, that where there's problem, there's got to be a sollurion, a simple, obvious and unique sollution.
Try to experiment with that and maybe You'll have something out of it. In worst case, You'll have a hangover for more than a few hours.
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if something seems to be impossible, it's probably as possible, as problematic.
Here's the table to discuss (if You wish to)
Let's say
melancholic and sanguine are strong personalities
phlegmatics are strong character
cholerics are strong temperament
FITS
-----T----P----C----
  T  1    0   -1 
  P  0   -1    1
  C -1    1    0
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-1 = worst fit
 0 = avarage fit
 1 = the best fit

The "examples" of people with different personality, character and temperament who present their sexual activity, are on my blog
newbielink:http://eternityemperor.blogspot.com/ [nonactive]
NOTE that most of the people are sanguine
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« Reply #13142 on: 12/05/2011 10:12:55 »
I didn't finish to translate the 2nd study of dr. Waldinger but it seems there is a new very important and new concept here :

http://www.nature.com/nrurol/journal/v8/n3/full/nrurol.2011.17.html

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Sexual dysfunction: Postorgasmic illness syndrome

Suzanne J. Farley
Abstract

New evidence supports the hypothesis that postorgasmic illness syndrome (POIS) in men involves a hyper-reactive immune response of the mucosal epithelium that lines the urinary tract to seminal fluid.The term 'POIS' was coined 9 years ago by the Netherlands-based duo Marcel Waldinger and Dave Schweitzer.

The whole article is not free.




I just bought this article, but it is just a summary of the dr Waldinger research. There isn't any news in it.
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« Reply #13143 on: 12/05/2011 10:30:23 »
Tsup John21,
What I've been dealing with is something quite a bit in reverse. Of course after sexual activity comes a time I regret I do live, which is I think quite normal for human males, but there comes a time after that that I am into only thinking. Takes some few hours for such a shake. It's just that I think it is hard for You to manage without sexual activity and I do not want to make fake hope to You, but did You try to specificate Your type of a sexual partner? Maybe it's not biological, but stays in the psyche?
For example. I am sanguine (personality, character, temperament - wiki and other sites for search) and I hate being interested in other sanguines. But I love to be interested in phlegmatics, who seem to be more attractive for me. Quite frankly the worst kind of commitment is between a sanguine and a sanguine... so I believe, that where there's problem, there's got to be a sollurion, a simple, obvious and unique sollution.
Try to experiment with that and maybe You'll have something out of it. In worst case, You'll have a hangover for more than a few hours.
p.s.
if something seems to be impossible, it's probably as possible, as problematic.
Here's the table to discuss (if You wish to)
Let's say
melancholic and sanguine are strong personalities
phlegmatics are strong character
cholerics are strong temperament
FITS
-----T----P----C----
  T  1    0   -1 
  P  0   -1    1
  C -1    1    0
--------------------
-1 = worst fit
 0 = avarage fit
 1 = the best fit

The "examples" of people with different personality, character and temperament who present their sexual activity, are on my blog
http://eternityemperor.blogspot.com/
NOTE that most of the people are sanguine

I don't think you understand what POIS is.
« Last Edit: 12/05/2011 10:38:47 by John21 »
 

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« Reply #13144 on: 12/05/2011 10:59:05 »
I have schizoaffective disorder. That maybe explains a lot. All I wanted was to share, but if You find my message interrupting, please ignore it.
There is no way to diagnose a dead one, but Einstein probably (according to some specialists) had an Asperger syndrome.
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« Reply #13145 on: 12/05/2011 14:28:27 »
Today I had another injection for the desensitization. Normally the dilution of the semen is 1/10.000. But this time I had 1/1.000. Normally 1/1.000 is reached after 5 months. The doctor said that the chance of chance of complications is the biggest in the first months. But they had a good research and that's why it was possible for me to go to 1/1.000. After 3 years the dilution is 1/20.
 

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« Reply #13146 on: 12/05/2011 14:37:14 »
I think it's great to get an acceptance. Doesn't matter that much what problems we're dealing with, but when it goes to the fruit we're giving, some people may give a lot more than it seems.
 

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« Reply #13147 on: 12/05/2011 16:02:23 »





aspagnito, welcome to the POIS thread of The Naked Science Forum!




Here are some POIS resources which may be helpful to you:

The Learning Channel (TLC) upcoming feature TV presentation on POIS, featuring our member here at this forum, "Animus". They're planning to air it on May 22, 10pm Eastern Standard time. Animus will keep us informed of any changes.

Our POIS Information Website, built by "mat780", is here:
http://sites.google.com/site/POISwebsite/

The POIS Information Website is home to the famous POIS Forum Compendium, written by "Pyropeach", and contains theories already discussed here and treatments that have both worked and failed.

Please see "B_Jim"'s POIS Summary of All Cases, here as well as others on the Web. This includes remedies that we have tested, and results.
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg149009#msg149009

"Girlwind" has created an excellent POIS Video:

Our new POIS chatroom (realtime chat). Invite or visit another member(s) there, ANY TIME. We can all get to know each other better:
http://forums.delphiforums.com/POIS/chat


* Most recent POIS Research Studies, 2011 *

If you will send Prof. dr. Waldinger an e-mail, stating that you have read his message on the Forum, at http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg340138#msg340138 and that you are willing to fill in a questionnaire, he will send you the copies of both 2011 research articles by return through email. At a later date, he will send you the questionnaire which, after having filled in, you should send him back by e-mail.
His email:
prof.dr.waldinger.pois@gmail.com

Prof. dr. Marcel D. Waldinger's website:
http://www.post-orgasmic-illness-syndrome.com/en/index.html


First POIS Research Study, 2002

We have a copy of the first formal medical investigation on POIS by Prof. dr. Marcel D. Waldinger,MD,PhD, and Dr. Dave Schweitzer, MD.

  
Recent POIS Research Study, 2010

CASE REPORT
Postorgasm Illness Syndrome - A Spectrum of Illnesses
Jane Ashby, MRCP, and David Goldmeier, MRCP
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg316781#msg316781


British Medical Journal Case Report, 2010

Case study by Dr. Selwyn Dexter of a patient with a headache-featured POIS symptom treated with progesterone/norethisterone.
http://casereports.bmj.com/content/2010/bcr.10.2009.2359.short?rss=1


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New York Times article,

January 20, 2009
Mind
Sex and Depression: In the Brain, if Not the Mind
By RICHARD A. FRIEDMAN, M.D.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/20/health/views/20mind.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=friedman%20sexual%20January%2020&st=cse

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In addition to serving our own informational interests, the resources listed above can be useful for you to show our credibility to the medical world - which often shows little understanding and is sometimes skeptical of our condition: POIS has scientific underpinnings and POIS is not "just another psychological problem" related to sex - to be treated by the psychiatric/psychotherapeutic community. All of this information can greatly help you to fight the immediate reaction of some doctors: so just tell them, "IT'S NOT 'ALL IN OUR HEADS'! "

Also, it can be helpful when dealing with medical professionals to point out the successful existence of our rapidly growing forum, which has already been referenced in respectable sources such as the Journal of Sexual Medicine (Dr. Waldinger's study), British Medical Journal and wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postorgasmic_illness_syndrome

For over 4 years, our POIS forum has attracted over 200 POIS sufferers worldwide who have posted here, research on an additional 200 sufferers elsewhere on the internet, plus over 1,000,000 page visits. Not bad for a rare malady!
 

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« Reply #13148 on: 12/05/2011 16:07:35 »






aspagnito, this post will help you find information about POIS that we have already discussed, by tailoring a Google search to this forum:


SEARCH THE FORUM WITH GOOGLE

We have an overwhelming amount of data: more than 4 years' worth of posts (over  10,000 posts!) from 200+ Forum members, and an additional 200 POIS sufferers found elsewhere on the Internet by Member B_Jim.

In the Google search box, type
whatever-it-is-you're-interested-in-finding-out[space]POIS[space]site:http://thenakedscientists.com/

for example, I tried
nocturnal emission POIS site:http://thenakedscientists.com/

and 740 results came up for "nocturnal emission" within the Forum.

be careful with spaces (you can use them before the word "site") and no-spaces (everything after the word "site")

Google even provides you results with the Message# for each result. But Message #'s do change, so be patient and look for the approximate Message#.






 

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« Reply #13149 on: 12/05/2011 16:41:40 »
I think it's great to get an acceptance. Doesn't matter that much what problems we're dealing with, but when it goes to the fruit we're giving, some people may give a lot more than it seems.

Aspagnito, sorry to hear that you are suffering with something as well. You are correct, we should all be supportive as our ailments all fall under the umbrella of mental health. Sorry if I sounded rude, perhaps even people without POIS can have sex affect their cognition to a degree. I have not heard of this personality type concept before, as it might affect mental health. I assure you that my POIS did not differentiate, it was like a switch. I say "was" because I am chaste and it only affects me occasionally from NEs (nocturnal emissions).
« Last Edit: 12/05/2011 16:46:00 by John21 »
 

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