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« Reply #13375 on: 28/05/2011 13:33:49 »
Yesterday I had an O. Today is day 1. And I feel better than normal. I think I have 25 % less POIS. But I don't know in how far this is the effect of injections. Because I was eroused a very long time and then I had the O. In this case there is always less seed in the sperm. That could be a reason. And the other thing is that I just came back from a holiday from Asia (lot's of vitamin D). I will try it about a week with a quick O. I will let you know. But I can't wait to get my new injection about 3 weeks.
An O. again. And again I think 25% less symptoms. Mainly less rash in my mouth and nose.

Thanks to you Van and to Willem, we will finally be able to judge if POIS is an allergy or not... hopefully in a year from now.
 

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« Reply #13376 on: 28/05/2011 13:52:37 »
Thanks to you Van and to Willem, we will finally be able to judge if POIS is an allergy or not... hopefully in a year from now.
Thanks Carlito. I hope to tell you about a few months at the end of 2011.
 

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« Reply #13377 on: 28/05/2011 16:11:21 »

Animus, do you see any connection between your surgery = 100% POIS-free and my TRT = 80% POIS-free?

(Keep in mind my 'mysterious' Zero-sperm-count - a mystery as to when it occurred).



Demo,

I've thought about this a little more...

One possible explanation is that we cannot efficiently or healthily produce the semen which we've lost due to ejaculation.

Once the semen is ejaculated, it may cause the body to go into semen replacement mode (I do not know if this is true). However, if it were true, and semen replacement is the issue, maybe something which helps semen replacement also helps alleviate POIS. Perhaps the Testosterone therapy for you, helps with your semen replacement.

And for me, the surgery removed my ability to produce and ejaculate semen, so my body no longer replaces it.

Not producing sperm anymore could be lessening your POIS too because you're not replacing that either.



Amazing! Your considerations above go a long way to confirm my longstanding hunch that my POIS is somehow related to my semen regeneration speed: in my depth-of-POIS-agony days - for 30+ years - my regen speed was like molasses. With testosterone treatment, my regen speed is RAPID, and my POIS has been whittled down drastically!

Just my hunch.




Well, you don't regenerate at all. So that could be the 80% of it, just as it was with Animus (more or less).

And perhaps the 20% could be removed by eliminating semen.

It's still important to discover the mechanism of the suffering.

It still could be auto-immune, or some kind of systemic, hormonal drain. And, although in Animus's case and your case, your POIS is reduced/cured, sterilization is not an optimal cure for most. Reversible sterilization could be. But it seems that only complete semen elimination provides 100% relief. Is that reversibly possible?

But better would be stopping the negative effect that sperm or semen cause.

Sorry that I'm being so finicky here. But it's all the difference in the world, especially for an otherwise healthy, intelligent 20 yr old with the desire for a future with dignity.

I'm saying there's a debate here. And perhaps we don't have enough information to say one way or the other. I understand what your saying Animus. And it could be. But it could also be auto-immune with the same situation.

What do we need to do to resolve the debate, rather than just talk about what we think? Don't take this as a smart-assed question... I'd really like to get past this somehow.

« Last Edit: 28/05/2011 16:28:49 by daveman »
 

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« Reply #13378 on: 28/05/2011 18:51:04 »



Animus, do you see any connection between your surgery = 100% POIS-free and my TRT = 80% POIS-free?

(Keep in mind my 'mysterious' Zero-sperm-count - a mystery as to when it occurred).



Demo,

I've thought about this a little more...

One possible explanation is that we cannot efficiently or healthily produce the semen which we've lost due to ejaculation.

Once the semen is ejaculated, it may cause the body to go into semen replacement mode (I do not know if this is true). However, if it were true, and semen replacement is the issue, maybe something which helps semen replacement also helps alleviate POIS. Perhaps the Testosterone therapy for you, helps with your semen replacement.

And for me, the surgery removed my ability to produce and ejaculate semen, so my body no longer replaces it.

Not producing sperm anymore could be lessening your POIS too because you're not replacing that either.



Amazing! Your considerations above go a long way to confirm my longstanding hunch that my POIS is somehow related to my semen regeneration speed: in my depth-of-POIS-agony days - for 30+ years - my regen speed was like molasses. With testosterone treatment, my regen speed is RAPID, and my POIS has been whittled down drastically!

Just my hunch.




Well, you don't regenerate at all...


Sorry to disagree, Dave, but I most certainly DO regenerate...............semen!

And the process certainly feels absolutely identical to my "sperm generation days".

The key is that when I feel "FULL" (analogous to a car's tank of gas), I am POIS-FREE. And this holds true equally with my sperm-semen as well as my zero-sperm-semen eras.

I can say this unequivocally because I have been observing it for 35 years.

All observed during high fertility years (I have 2 strapping grown men for sons), and all during testosterone treatment, and all during whatever period I lost sperm, evidenced by my recent Semen Analysis Laboratory Report.

I believe that the biological process of semen-only regeneration is identical to semen-with-sperm regeneration.



« Last Edit: 28/05/2011 19:05:04 by demografx »
 

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« Reply #13379 on: 28/05/2011 19:50:32 »



Animus, do you see any connection between your surgery = 100% POIS-free and my TRT = 80% POIS-free?

(Keep in mind my 'mysterious' Zero-sperm-count - a mystery as to when it occurred).



Demo,

I've thought about this a little more...

One possible explanation is that we cannot efficiently or healthily produce the semen which we've lost due to ejaculation.

Once the semen is ejaculated, it may cause the body to go into semen replacement mode (I do not know if this is true). However, if it were true, and semen replacement is the issue, maybe something which helps semen replacement also helps alleviate POIS. Perhaps the Testosterone therapy for you, helps with your semen replacement.

And for me, the surgery removed my ability to produce and ejaculate semen, so my body no longer replaces it.

Not producing sperm anymore could be lessening your POIS too because you're not replacing that either.



Amazing! Your considerations above go a long way to confirm my longstanding hunch that my POIS is somehow related to my semen regeneration speed: in my depth-of-POIS-agony days - for 30+ years - my regen speed was like molasses. With testosterone treatment, my regen speed is RAPID, and my POIS has been whittled down drastically!

Just my hunch.




Well, you don't regenerate at all...


Sorry to disagree, Dave, but I most certainly DO regenerate...............semen!

And the process certainly feels absolutely identical to my "sperm generation days".

The key is that when I feel "FULL" (analogous to a car's tank of gas), I am POIS-FREE. And this holds true equally with my sperm-semen as well as my zero-sperm-semen eras.

I can say this unequivocally because I have been observing it for 35 years.

All observed during high fertility years (I have 2 strapping grown men for sons), and all during testosterone treatment, and all during whatever period I lost sperm, evidenced by my recent Semen Analysis Laboratory Report.

I believe that the biological process of semen-only regeneration is identical to semen-with-sperm regeneration.





You're both right, I think, we don't regenerate semen, but we in another sense we do.  We definitely can't say we constantly generate the actual fluid semen because the actual fluid is secreted by four glands (seminal vesicles, prostate glands, cowper's glands, testicles) only during ejaculation.  As semen exits the body, it begins from the seminal vesicles and gets components added to it from the remaining glands along its path.  In other words, if we were continuously generating seminal fluid, we'd be continuously ejaculating, which would be....interesting.  Anyways...I can surely attest to experiencing no symptoms as soon as I feel like my sperm supply has fully regenerated, I suppose this could go hand in hand with "semen regeneration".  But saying "semen regeneration" is misleading, I think.  40% to 60% of semen is secreted by the seminal vesicles, so I think its better to say there may be some sort of fatigue associated with the seminal vesicles, kinda like what we used to talk about with adrenal fatigue.  Seminal vesicles are just another set of glands that need time to regenerate after excretion, so its possible these glands just don't regenerate as quickly as people without POIS, or its just extremely taxing for our bodies to regenerate these glands.
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« Reply #13380 on: 28/05/2011 21:03:23 »
I'm saying there's a debate here. And perhaps we don't have enough information to say one way or the other. I understand what your saying Animus. And it could be. But it could also be auto-immune with the same situation.




daveman,
Thank you for making that point. I think it's important. I wonder how one would explain demo's improvement along the allergy theory. How would you explain that?
Also I would like to understand how testosterone could improve an allergic reaction.

Similarly, one can see my solution in terms of the allergy theory- in that semen elimination took away the allergen...?
« Last Edit: 28/05/2011 21:27:53 by Animus »
 

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« Reply #13381 on: 28/05/2011 21:14:29 »
Pyropeach, wow, just as soon as I thought I was getting a small handle on my own POIS mechanisms, you come along and introduce.....Science!

Sigh....back to the drawing board!  :)

Sincerely, many thanks for the enlightenment.
 

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« Reply #13382 on: 28/05/2011 21:18:14 »
Anyways...I can surely attest to experiencing no symptoms as soon as I feel like my sperm supply has fully regenerated...

I can attest to that feeling too.
 

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« Reply #13383 on: 28/05/2011 21:25:28 »
Pyropeach, somewhere along the way, I "lost" my sperm count.

But the subjective feeling of "regeneration" is still the same.

Would you explain that as illusory on my part? (And I take absolutely no offense at all if that is what you believe).
 

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« Reply #13384 on: 28/05/2011 21:47:56 »
Pyropeach, wow, just as soon as I thought I was getting a small handle on my own POIS mechanisms, you come along and introduce.....Science!

Sigh....back to the drawing board!  :)

Sincerely, many thanks for the enlightenment.

Can't help it Demo...I'm a biomedical engineer.  I just thought I could clarify "regeneration" to help bring the debate to a close.

Pyropeach, somewhere along the way, I "lost" my sperm count.

But the subjective feeling of "regeneration" is still the same.

Would you explain that as illusory on my part? (And I take absolutely no offense at all if that is what you believe).

Demo, I'm sorry to hear that you lost your sperm count...could that be related to your T-patches?  Well, it is possible that after so many years of regenerating after orgasm, our minds are just conditioned to feel regenerated after a certain time period, like Ivan Pavlov's concept of "conditioned reflex".  Clearly you're not generating sperm anymore, so the only thing left is your seminal vesicles and other glands involved in semen production to regenerate...maybe we should look more into those glands.  Its possible what we're feeling is seminal vesicle regeneration and we can sense when our semen glands are fully charged. 



Similarly, one can see my solution in terms of the allergy theory- in that semen elimination took away the allergen...?

This is definitely consistent with the auto-immune theory.  Animus, didn't you mention that you can still ejaculate, only much less than before and only experience very mild POIS symptoms?  If that's true, I guess its possible you're just partially depleting the seminal glands, making it that much quicker for them to regenerate resulting in milder and shorter lived symptoms.
 

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« Reply #13385 on: 28/05/2011 21:51:38 »



Animus, do you see any connection between your surgery = 100% POIS-free and my TRT = 80% POIS-free?

(Keep in mind my 'mysterious' Zero-sperm-count - a mystery as to when it occurred).



Demo,

I've thought about this a little more...

One possible explanation is that we cannot efficiently or healthily produce the semen which we've lost due to ejaculation.

Once the semen is ejaculated, it may cause the body to go into semen replacement mode (I do not know if this is true). However, if it were true, and semen replacement is the issue, maybe something which helps semen replacement also helps alleviate POIS. Perhaps the Testosterone therapy for you, helps with your semen replacement.

And for me, the surgery removed my ability to produce and ejaculate semen, so my body no longer replaces it.

Not producing sperm anymore could be lessening your POIS too because you're not replacing that either.



Amazing! Your considerations above go a long way to confirm my longstanding hunch that my POIS is somehow related to my semen regeneration speed: in my depth-of-POIS-agony days - for 30+ years - my regen speed was like molasses. With testosterone treatment, my regen speed is RAPID, and my POIS has been whittled down drastically!

Just my hunch.




Well, you don't regenerate at all...


Sorry to disagree, Dave, but I most certainly DO regenerate...............semen!

And the process certainly feels absolutely identical to my "sperm generation days".

The key is that when I feel "FULL" (analogous to a car's tank of gas), I am POIS-FREE. And this holds true equally with my sperm-semen as well as my zero-sperm-semen eras.

I can say this unequivocally because I have been observing it for 35 years.

All observed during high fertility years (I have 2 strapping grown men for sons), and all during testosterone treatment, and all during whatever period I lost sperm, evidenced by my recent Semen Analysis Laboratory Report.

I believe that the biological process of semen-only regeneration is identical to semen-with-sperm regeneration.





Edit: The following posts were written before reading all following posts.. but here theya are anyways ;)

I don't disagree with what you say at all, in fact as far as regenerating semen, I even acknowledged that such is the reason for your current 20% symptoms.

Its just that I'm tired of arguing whether it's auto-immune related or regeneration related.

There are opposing views EVEN among the highest of experts!

Someone has to stop this sh..t!

What do we need to discover to resolve the questions? You, I and the group in general have our layman's views, Waldinger, Bewtra, Goldmeier et all also have theirs. Man I'm tired of it.

What do we need to do to know for sure???

That's not a rhetorical question. Can we make up a list of things that need to be known?

Anybody?
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« Reply #13386 on: 28/05/2011 22:00:36 »
I'm saying there's a debate here. And perhaps we don't have enough information to say one way or the other. I understand what your saying Animus. And it could be. But it could also be auto-immune with the same situation.




daveman,
Thank you for making that point. I think it's important. I wonder how one would explain demo's improvement along the allergy theory. How would you explain that?
Also I would like to understand how testosterone could improve an allergic reaction.

Similarly, one can see my solution in terms of the allergy theory- in that semen elimination took away the allergen...?

Testosterone is a feedback hormone. It says, hey, I've got enough sperm! When it's low, like after ejac. the system says... oohh-ohh, I have to produce sperm.

So when "T" is taken, it reduces and even stops sperm production. If we are alergic to sperm, the allergy stops because we don't produce sperm. That's the idea with the use of male contraceptive methods to reduce/stop POIS.

As far as the remaining 20% that Demo has, could be semen allergy(?). Females are allergic to the proteins in semen more than they are allergic to sperm.

So who knows. Both reasons are possible. Allergy or regeneration.

I just want to, for once and for all, stop guessing!!!



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« Reply #13387 on: 28/05/2011 22:05:21 »
Anyways...I can surely attest to experiencing no symptoms as soon as I feel like my sperm supply has fully regenerated...

I can attest to that feeling too.

Well it sure seems like it. But you can't take your sperm count in your head! LOL

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« Reply #13388 on: 28/05/2011 22:14:05 »
I'm enjoying discussions on this topic.  i'm not trying to throw my thoughts in anyone's face debating auto-immune vs regeneration here, but I'm pretty excited about all this and would like to drop in my 2 cents.  I think it's both, hand-in-hand. 

I've always subscribed to the auto-immune theory, but I've never felt fully satisfied with the explanation on why (and how) the allergic reaction flips on shortly after ejaculation.  I think the main take on this is that we're allergic to the semen flowing through the urethra....  But to me there's gotta be more to it.  As I know well, I sometimes look at porn and get near the "O" but am very careful not to cross the point of no return.  When I do this, my symptoms may flare up briefly (1 day or less), but my symptoms only really strike after an Orgasm.  But my semen still definitely flows through my Urethra when I'm doing that as evidenced by the pre-fluid.    

This thought that our symptoms go hand-in-hand with our Semen Production/Regeneration period seems intuitive to me.  Another data point of mine to support this  is that before I found this post, I knew that my good days were the days where I had withheld from orgasms for a long enough time that I was ready to burst.  So for a long time, I associated the uneasy feeling of wanting to ejaculate as being what cleared my brain to think, be witty, outgoing, have energy.  

So, in other words, Demo, I agree that when I'm "full", I'm POIS-free.  Which lends credence to my thought of not auto-immune vs regeneration, but just a more fine-tuned/ detailed auto-immune theory: Perhaps POIS sufferers have an allergic reaction to the regeneration of semen.

Lastly, pyropeach, to your point, ya, you're right it wouldn't be the regeneration of seminal fluid as we see it, but it would likely by the regeneration of fluid in one of these glands.  What if it were only 1 gland that we're allergic to and we could take a special pill to cease production in that 1 gland and all the pain and anguish we've been dealing with for years would just float away, Ahhhhh!!!  ;D ;D ;D
 

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« Reply #13389 on: 28/05/2011 22:29:53 »
sorry for not reading prior posts, or maybe forgetting something because I just O'd a couple of times today and I am dealing with half-brain working syndrome after orgasm so excuse me if I say anything wrong... haha.  

But it is still an argument, I can have a good day, but anytime I am stimulated, after that their is recovery time.  Like what was said above.  It just doesn't make any sense to me.  I think I am allergic to the stimulation itself, I don't know about sperm.  It's in the same part of my brain where I am stimulated that I feel POIS afterwards.  Last night, I haven't O'd for about a week, and got myself to the point where I had almost orgasmed, but immediately after that I felt terrible.  This morning I indulged.  I just can't connect the sperm-brain connection, unless when I am stimulated the sperm travels to my brain.
 

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« Reply #13390 on: 28/05/2011 22:31:05 »
But my semen still definitely flows through my Urethra when I'm doing that as evidenced by the pre-fluid.    

This is not quite right.  I think we should distinguish between three different potential allergens: 1) sperm, 2) ejaculate-semen, 3) pre-ejaculate fluid.

So, when you masturbate, while stopping before ejaculation, pre-ejaculate (3) flows through your urethra, but semen (2) does not flow through your urethra.

We know that some people develop a POIS episode just from 3, without the occurrence of 1 or 2.  And, for instance, in Demo's case, he still has POIS symptoms after getting rid of 1, while 2 and 3 remain for him.  

Thus, even if we also want to think about 'regeneration' theories, we should still be sure to take into account and distinguish the various elements that can potentially be contributing to an auto-immune reaction.
 

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« Reply #13391 on: 28/05/2011 22:37:18 »
anytime I am stimulated, after that their is recovery time.  Like what was said above.  It just doesn't make any sense to me.  I think I am allergic to the stimulation itself, I don't know about sperm.

Perhaps we should add a fourth potential element: the internal hormones/chemicals/substances that are released internally when someone gets stimulated/aroused.  Since these might be part of the same basic sexual-response system as sperm, semen, and pre-ejaculate, it could stand to reason that they might also contribute to POIS for some people. 

In this case, though, as in the case of those who react to pre-ejaculate, it might not be accurate to call it merely Post-orgasmic illness syndrome.  It seems to be, more broadly, an instance of Pre-and-Post-Orgasmic Illness syndrome, for some people.

So, to coin an acronym: PAPOIS!
 

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« Reply #13392 on: 28/05/2011 22:40:58 »

What do we need to discover to resolve the questions? You, I and the group in general have our layman's views, Waldinger, Bewtra, Goldmeier et all also have theirs. Man I'm tired of it.

What do we need to do to know for sure???

That's not a rhetorical question. Can we make up a list of things that need to be known?

Anybody?

Daveman, I wholeheartedly agree.  If ya ask me, the auto-immune theory is the one we should focus on because honestly, it's the only working theory we have with ACTUAL scientific evidence that was conducted by ACTUAL experts. Besides, we can't be straddling between two theories, lets just pick one and go with it for as long as it takes us.  

Assuming this theory is true, what we need to know now is exactly what substances in semen is causing the allergic reaction.  Forgive my POIS tattered memory, but didn't Waldinger include anything mentioned what EXACT substances in semen could cause an auto-immune reaction?  If not, I think that is where our investigation should proceed.  If we can determine exactly what in semen is causing this POIS, then we may be able to find a way to counter this substance(s).  Who knows...it might be just a pill away...


Lastly, pyropeach, to your point, ya, you're right it wouldn't be the regeneration of seminal fluid as we see it, but it would likely by the regeneration of fluid in one of these glands.  What if it were only 1 gland that we're allergic to and we could take a special pill to cease production in that 1 gland and all the pain and anguish we've been dealing with for years would just float away, Ahhhhh!!!  ;D ;D ;D

B_Daniel...that is a very interesting thought! I'd say we may be able to rule out the Cowper's gland since its role is to secret pre-ejaculatory fluid, which, to my knowledge, does not trigger POIS.
 

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« Reply #13393 on: 28/05/2011 22:45:15 »
This is not quite right.  I think we should distinguish between three different potential allergens: 1) sperm, 2) ejaculate-semen, 3) pre-ejaculate fluid.

So, when you masturbate, while stopping before ejaculation, pre-ejaculate (3) flows through your urethra, but semen (2) does not flow through your urethra.

We know that some people develop a POIS episode just from 3, without the occurrence of 1 or 2.  And, for instance, in Demo's case, he still has POIS symptoms after getting rid of 1, while 2 and 3 remain for him.  

Thus, even if we also want to think about 'regeneration' theories, we should still be sure to take into account and distinguish the various elements that can potentially be contributing to an auto-immune reaction.
You are right. Only after ejaculation the semen goes into the urethra. And it is the semen that does the harm, not that other aqueous solution. The reason that some of us, including me, get a few symptoms with only arousal is maybe because the prostate is already producing semen.

When you have a daily O. the sperm gets more aqueous. This is normal. Less semen. But on day 1 of POIS it is not wise for me to have another O. That means that I get sick for more than 1 week. But if I abstain for weeks, when I have an O. my POIS-symptoms are no so big. But there is a lot of semen in the sperm. Maybe I get less sick because my urethra is 100% ok.
 

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« Reply #13394 on: 28/05/2011 23:45:32 »
Hello everyone:

Could anyone please let me know how to get rid of the brain fog sooner after it appears? It lasts like up to 6 days until I get a wet dream. Basically I also can`t get rid of wet dreams and have not experienced a period above 7 days without an ejaculation.

These symptoms are very strange for me beside other POIS symptoms. That is, I breathe very slowly after ejaculation and I take about 1/4th of the oxygen volume than normal days. I sweat a lot and sneeze more often. I think the extreme headache might happen because of lower oxygen intakes. Could the extreme fatigue cause lower diaphragm expansion and contraction? Why after doing a heavy exercise like swimming for 2 hours/ skiing, breathing gets much easier?
My hair gets a wired shape a few hours after an 'O'. It gets flattened on my head and doesn`t stand straight only after a few days. Lots of pimples (white ones) and red spots on my face appear.
I have been taking loratadine 10 mg for a month and it hasn`t helped. Only multivitamin containing multi-minerals helps a little bit toward brain fog.

If I could get rid of the brain fog, I wouldn`t care as much about other symptoms.

Adding to that, I get the symptoms even before an ejaculation. I have noticed even during a sexual contact or even an erection/arousal I get the symptoms. So, I think absentees will not help me much as a short arousal can cause the symptoms to appear.

Sorry, if my sentences are not very organized. I am writing this while having the symptoms.

 

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« Reply #13395 on: 28/05/2011 23:50:22 »

[Hair] gets flattened on my head and doesn`t stand straight only after a few days.




I get this...I thought it was just me.  Welcome to the POIS forum Mer!
 

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« Reply #13396 on: 29/05/2011 01:11:57 »
I've been noticing some strange "bubbles" forming before my fingernails on about 6 of 10 fingers.  Also I get this reoccurring strange bubble that forms inside my mouth on the upper left corner of my cheek.  It seems to contain some blood after it is broken.  I'm PRETTY SURE I don't have an STD, because I'm very young and afflicted with this illness, and somewhat of a virgin.  Alright, the point is does anybody else experience this or is this just a independent POIS phenomenon?

Also, I tend to resist not stimulating myself when I go over a few days of not orgasming.  I'm going to try not to touch as much as possible, because it is definitely causing a mini POIS reaction of sorts.  It's like for every high their is a low, but this low is just beyond what a non-pois person might think.  Has anybody resisted even "touching" up until an NE?
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« Reply #13397 on: 29/05/2011 01:16:40 »
Mer If you are like me and describe the brain fog being like a sensation of cotton inside the forehead, than I really don't know what to say.  I've been trying to drink a lot of water, and also trying cranberry juice.  It's just really a matter of trying things and some might have an affect, and some may not.  I remember trying water and drinking a lot in a short amount of time and that helped, but some times it didn't.
 

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« Reply #13398 on: 29/05/2011 01:37:09 »

This is definitely consistent with the auto-immune theory.  Animus, didn't you mention that you can still ejaculate, only much less than before and only experience very mild POIS symptoms? 

No. This is not true at all. In fact I have said the just opposite recently in the last few pages. Please check my previous comments.
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« Reply #13399 on: 29/05/2011 02:01:05 »


Its just that I'm tired of arguing whether it's auto-immune related or regeneration related.

There are opposing views EVEN among the highest of experts!

Someone has to stop this sh..t!
...Man I'm tired of it.

What do we need to do to know for sure???

That's not a rhetorical question. Can we make up a list of things that need to be known?

Anybody?

Daveman,
I appreciate your passion, but please ... can you tone it down a little? We are not going to make progress if we close the door on anything too quickly. This is a complex issue, and investigating science is complex, takes a lot of organization, years of work, and level-headedness. We can't let our passions get in the way of being rational and systematic. I think your suggestion for making a list is excellent.
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