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« Reply #13700 on: 17/06/2011 00:22:34 »
Here is an article that I just noticed when searching online:

http://www.twinsuk.ac.uk/Publicatons/2011/Postcoital.pdf

It seems to be about a 'female version' of POIS: Postcoital psychological symptoms (PPS).  And, the article makes a direct comparison to POIS, and mentions the Waldinger/Schweitzer and Ashby/Goldmeier studies.
Interesting! But for females it's easier. Just use a condom. And they can mast. without get sick.

No, the point of this study is that women are affected after sex/orgasm, not simply as a result of semen allergy.  Rather, it seems to be something internal--whether hormonal, neurotransmitters, psychological, etc.  So a condom wouldn't help in that regard.
 

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« Reply #13701 on: 17/06/2011 05:16:57 »
Hmm, interesting observation here.  So I really did not want to go into pois, but I felt really stimulated from some porn so i tried to masturbate as long as I could without ejaculating.  When I eventually did, very little sperm came out even though I have been abstaining for like a week.  This was because I tried to squeeze my muscles when I climaxed, trying to stop it.  I repeated this same technique two more times throughout the day.  What's interesting, is the next day my pois symptoms were dramatically reduced.  I never learned anything about ejaculating spermless, but it seems like I might have achieved it partially.  I on my day 2 and definitely notice less pois symptoms, maybe about 30% left.  I'm not sure if I can replicate this technique, but it seem spermless ejaculation may be a solution.  I know my pois is not just placebo because I am a gamer and can easily notice changes in my performance.

This masturbation without ejaculation helps significantly clear my brain fog, its something I've tried before and mentioned on the forum a couple years ago. 
 

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« Reply #13702 on: 17/06/2011 07:32:06 »
So have you mastered the dry ejaculation?  Cuz mines not completely dry, its too difficult haha.
 

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« Reply #13703 on: 17/06/2011 14:36:16 »
So have you mastered the dry ejaculation?  Cuz mines not completely dry, its too difficult haha.

And it doesn't work for all of us either. For me it's 10 times worse! Well maybe 5.

It's like it all stays in and spreads even more POISen throughout my body.

 

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« Reply #13704 on: 17/06/2011 15:21:34 »
when i masturbate, i feel all my chemicals need to be "lifted" because they all feel down. i feel low mood. i often crave alcohol and my prescription adderall. when i abstain i feel like everything is fine and dont need anything to "lift" me out of the terrible haze. in fact, i actually have no desire to alter my mood. i will go from a craving maniac, to actually turned off by the idea of alcohol. does this happen to anybody? also after release i tend to think about crazy things and ruminate about negative things. these thoughts never happen otherwise.... i also get very nostalgic for some reason. it's pretty amazing how different i am when i am in this haze to when i am not..

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« Reply #13705 on: 17/06/2011 16:00:36 »
just a question. how does someone with diagnosed add and depression differentiate what is causing what and what is psycho-somatic. i get a terrible mood and terrible thoughts after ejaculation and the urge to do nothing but lay in bed all day after orgasm, i know that is a fact. these could also be depression related. i know i feel twitchy as hell and my body feels like it's on the fritz after activity.one thing to note is that i lost a lot of my libido after stopping ssris. i also lost partial sexual functioning. i dont know what to attribute to what. i'm only 21 and have had blood tests and they all come out normal. i'm currently on wellbutrin my sex drive seemed to go up, but now it's next to nothing. even worse then before. the feelings i get afterwards though make it a good thing though. id like to note my sexual functioning has nothing to do with my mood, it's just not there, just doesen't work for whatever reason. ssri's cause permanent changes in peoples sexuality so i assume that's what happened. i go from periods of feeling brilliant, to stop, to having no sex drive to having an unquenchable sex drive. this is just all so frustrating
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« Reply #13706 on: 17/06/2011 16:07:47 »

I'd like to say I intend to donate to this fund and that it seems to be an incredibly worthy investment of money.


Counterpoints, thank you for the pledge AND the sentiment!!
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« Reply #13707 on: 17/06/2011 16:14:20 »
Hmm, interesting observation here.  So I really did not want to go into pois, but I felt really stimulated from some porn so i tried to masturbate as long as I could without ejaculating.  When I eventually did, very little sperm came out even though I have been abstaining for like a week.  This was because I tried to squeeze my muscles when I climaxed, trying to stop it.  I repeated this same technique two more times throughout the day.  What's interesting, is the next day my pois symptoms were dramatically reduced.  I never learned anything about ejaculating spermless, but it seems like I might have achieved it partially.  I on my day 2 and definitely notice less pois symptoms, maybe about 30% left.  I'm not sure if I can replicate this technique, but it seem spermless ejaculation may be a solution.  I know my pois is not just placebo because I am a gamer and can easily notice changes in my performance.

This masturbation without ejaculation helps significantly clear my brain fog, its something I've tried before and mentioned on the forum a couple years ago. 

Pyro, I feel that this could be an extension of my regeneration theory, i.e., ANY sexual activity stimulates semen regeneration. High speed regeneration hastens POIS relief (just my opinion based on observing my body in and out of POIS for 35 years).
 

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« Reply #13708 on: 17/06/2011 20:21:52 »
Hmm, interesting observation here.  So I really did not want to go into pois, but I felt really stimulated from some porn so i tried to masturbate as long as I could without ejaculating.  When I eventually did, very little sperm came out even though I have been abstaining for like a week.  This was because I tried to squeeze my muscles when I climaxed, trying to stop it.  I repeated this same technique two more times throughout the day.  What's interesting, is the next day my pois symptoms were dramatically reduced.  I never learned anything about ejaculating spermless, but it seems like I might have achieved it partially.  I on my day 2 and definitely notice less pois symptoms, maybe about 30% left.  I'm not sure if I can replicate this technique, but it seem spermless ejaculation may be a solution.  I know my pois is not just placebo because I am a gamer and can easily notice changes in my performance.

This masturbation without ejaculation helps significantly clear my brain fog, its something I've tried before and mentioned on the forum a couple years ago. 
Hi silverandcol, If I understand you correctly, you're inducing retrograde ejaculation.  I've tried it as well in the past and have the same experience, maybe 30% to 50% reduction in symptoms. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retrograde_ejaculation [nofollow]
 

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« Reply #13709 on: 17/06/2011 21:53:52 »
just a question. how does someone with diagnosed add and depression differentiate what is causing what and what is psycho-somatic. i get a fucked up mood and fucked up thoughts after ejaculation and the urge to do nothing but lay in bed all day after orgasm, i know that is a fact. these could also be depression related. i know i feel twitchy as hell and my body feels like it's on the fritz after activity.one thing to note is that i lost a lot of my libido after stopping ssris. i also lost partial sexual functioning. i dont know what to attribute to what. i'm only 21 and have had blood tests and they all come out normal. i'm currently on wellbutrin my sex drive seemed to go up, but now it's next to nothing. even worse then before. the feelings i get afterwards though make it a good thing though. id like to note my sexual functioning has nothing to do with my mood, it's just not there, just doesen't work for whatever reason. ssri's cause permanent changes in peoples sexuality so i assume that's what happened. i go from periods of feeling brilliant, to stop, to having no sex drive to having an unquenchable sex drive. this is just all so frustrating

I just jumped out of bed right now when I read this. This is the exact thing that Iím going through right now, the dysphoria and the depression right now after orgasm is unbearable, the POIS symptoms have now reduced to 10-20% of what they were before, but really every time I orgasm I have an extremely strong urge to commit suicide, itís virtually uncontrollable, I have never ever felt such a strong force, it appears on top of POIS I now have a psycho somatic disorder too, great. I too have been on SSRIís they made POIS even worse in the long run. I really feel for you and absolutely feel the same way, hang in there.
 

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« Reply #13710 on: 18/06/2011 01:14:00 »
just a question. how does someone with diagnosed add and depression differentiate what is causing what and what is psycho-somatic. i get a fucked up mood and fucked up thoughts after ejaculation and the urge to do nothing but lay in bed all day after orgasm, i know that is a fact. these could also be depression related. i know i feel twitchy as hell and my body feels like it's on the fritz after activity.one thing to note is that i lost a lot of my libido after stopping ssris. i also lost partial sexual functioning. i dont know what to attribute to what. i'm only 21 and have had blood tests and they all come out normal. i'm currently on wellbutrin my sex drive seemed to go up, but now it's next to nothing. even worse then before. the feelings i get afterwards though make it a good thing though. id like to note my sexual functioning has nothing to do with my mood, it's just not there, just doesen't work for whatever reason. ssri's cause permanent changes in peoples sexuality so i assume that's what happened. i go from periods of feeling brilliant, to stop, to having no sex drive to having an unquenchable sex drive. this is just all so frustrating
Yea conner, i get that nostalgic too. I thought it was my personality, but it's mostly during pois I feel those strong emotions
 

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« Reply #13711 on: 18/06/2011 03:13:13 »
Yea conner, i get that nostalgic too. I thought it was my personality, but it's mostly during pois I feel those strong emotions
Yes I am more nostalgic too during POIS. It's normal when you feel a bit down, you think about good times in the past. I always play music from the eighties. :)
I think about relationships in the past because now I can have a normal relationship with a woman because of POIS.
But we have to hold on. As we say in Holland: there is light and the end of the tunnel.
 

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« Reply #13712 on: 18/06/2011 03:41:30 »

I gave 100$ for the POIS fund.


Martin, thank you!!
 

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« Reply #13713 on: 18/06/2011 05:52:42 »
OK,
My Garlic review:
Raw Garlic cloves - Smelly but work; "Morrisons" Odourless Garlic Pills - dont work; "Hollands and Barretts" Garlic Oil Pills 5000mg - Smelly but they work!!
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HOW DO PEOPLE COMPARE GARLIC ODOUR TABS V. ODOURLESS GARLIC TABS?

So a week before Horizon wrote out his post above, I had bought Carlson's cold pressed Odorless Garlic Pills.  I couldn't tell any difference in symptoms when taking them.  After reading Horizon's post I thought I'd give garlic pills another shot.  I bought a brand called Garlinase.  It tastes super garlicy going down, even though it's supposedly enteric coated.  The back of the box says that each tab offers 11mg of alliin, of which 5mg is said to become allicin inside in the body.  This stuff Works!  I took a tab during the day time, had an O that night.  Then took another tab right after the O.  My POIS symptoms were 65% reduced!  I couldn't believe it.  I recommend others try this Garlinase and report back.  fyi: my symptoms are mostly cognitive. 

http://www.amazon.com/Enzymatic-Garlinase-Fresh-30-Tablets/dp/B00020II48/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=hpc&qid=1308369771&sr=1-3

just remember, all garlic pills are not created equal!  http://www.allicinfacts.com/allicin05a.htm
 
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« Reply #13714 on: 18/06/2011 06:00:40 »
The saw palmetto pills I take greatly reduce my sexual urges.  I take 1 a day, Solaray brand - 580mg of saw palmetto berry per pill.  I've found that if I take just one pill, it will help me go easily 1 week and sometimes 2 weeks without mast.  Without the pills, I last 1-4 days before giving in.  Anybody else noticed something similar? 
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« Reply #13715 on: 18/06/2011 18:45:44 »
You've probably seen this, anyway, I'm posting it right now:

newbielink:http://www.reuniting.info/the_wrong_masturbation_advice [nonactive]

newbielink:http://www.reuniting.info/cowardly_lion_masturbating_too_much [nonactive]
 

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« Reply #13716 on: 18/06/2011 18:59:46 »
Hi all.
This is a strange but true side affect of the medication i take for depression which is Seroxat(Paroxetine)
I was put on this SSRI because of my POIS as my GP just thought i was depressed!
However a strange side affect from the medication is that sometimes when i go to the toilet to pass faeces(yes i know it sounds awful!) i actually ejaculate a small amount of semen at the same time. What is going on here? BUT i do not then suffer from POIS. Because i have not been aroused sexually i do not seem to suffer POIS. However it is not a pleasant side affect. Does anyone else have this? Any thoughts?
 

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« Reply #13717 on: 18/06/2011 19:25:14 »
@JRD: I have seen that website but didn't read those articles yet,
going to read them now. Thanks!
 

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« Reply #13718 on: 18/06/2011 19:42:28 »
Quite interesting reading:

newbielink:http://yourbrainonporn.com/rebooting [nonactive]

newbielink:http://yourbrainonporn.com/rebooting-accounts [nonactive]

newbielink:http://yourbrainonporn.com/what-are-the-symptoms-of-excessive-porn-use [nonactive]

etc. (try to search the site)

Can you see the similarities in symptoms? This is not about porn, it is more likely about attitude, addiction and rewarding behaviour.
 

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« Reply #13719 on: 18/06/2011 21:20:11 »
Very interesting indeed. I'm not a heavy user but still addicted  [:-[
I know i will get completely off it (soon) and meet my girlfriend!
 

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« Reply #13720 on: 18/06/2011 23:14:37 »
Scooby that's gross and funny at the same time!... sorry to laugh :)

Perhaps the reason no POIS occurs is that the 'ejaculate' that you experience is pre-ejaculate, and that might also explain why there's only a little bit of it.  When you ever pre-ejaculate, does that bring on POIS symptoms in you or not?     
 

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« Reply #13721 on: 19/06/2011 02:53:28 »
I came across an interesting fact while researching the composiition of semen.
Apparently the Seminal Vesicles produce these Prostaglandins, which are "involved in suppressing an immune response by the female against the foreign semen". I thought that was interesting- in terms of the auto-immune theory, because this could be something to investigate regarding POIS. I wonder if they are looking at these prostaglandins more.  I just thought it was interesting. So there is a component of semen which is meant to suppress the immune system.

On Wikipedia:

Seminal Vesicles create:
   amino acids, citrate, enzymes, flavins, fructose (the main energy source of sperm cells, which rely entirely on sugars from the seminal plasma for energy), phosphorylcholine, prostaglandins (involved in suppressing an immune response by the female against the foreign semen), proteins, vitamin C
 

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« Reply #13722 on: 19/06/2011 05:47:59 »

... an [sic] big part [sic]  POIS is something "spiritual" ... Mantak Chia [books]... Some random things i learned: - With 1 drop of sperm you'll lose... - ... learn to be multi-orgasmic... - Ejaculation is meant for making babies - Age is important, stop masturbating when you reach 30 and find a woman - In spring you can do it more... - Watching porn is very wrong...


patrick_pois: Mantak Chia and most of these type fanciful notions have been thoroughly discredited here. Please search previous posts (searching the 10,000+ posts here is explained in your Welcome Post)

This is a Science Forum and scientific/medical methodology is the approach we take here. There are numerous websites promoting Taoist, "spiritual", and psychological/emotional/intuitive approaches, but we are not one of them.

Welcome to the forum and thanks for cooperating!
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« Reply #13723 on: 19/06/2011 05:57:29 »

patrick_pois, welcome to the POIS thread of The Naked Science Forum!




Here are some POIS resources which may be helpful to you:

Our new POIS Forum - architectural genius: "daveman" - for detailed subject-by-subject discussion!
http://www.POISCenter.com/forums/index.php
Our 4-year-old POIS thread here at Naked Science Forum will also always remain open for newcomers, for general unstructured discussion, and historical research of the 10,000+ postings here since 2007.

The Learning Channel's (TLC)  feature TV presentation on POIS, featuring our member here at this forum, "Animus". It was aired on May 22, 2011. Here is a link to the file for that TV documentary, "Desperate Measures", which can be downloaded and played. The segment starts at about 12:20..
http://www.fileserve.com/file/cUtJa9R/TITLE01.mp4

Our POIS Information Website, built by "mat780", is here:
http://sites.google.com/site/POISwebsite/

The POIS Information Website is home to the famous POIS Forum Compendium, written by "Pyropeach", and contains theories already discussed here and treatments that have both worked and failed.

Please see "B_Jim"'s POIS Summary of All Cases, here as well as others on the Web. This includes remedies that we have tested, and results.
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg149009#msg149009

"Girlwind" has created an excellent POIS Video:

Our new POIS chatroom (realtime chat). Invite or visit another member(s) there, ANY TIME. We can all get to know each other better:
http://forums.delphiforums.com/POIS/chat


POIS Research Studies, 2011

These 2 papers reveal Dr. Waldinger's POIS autoimmune hypothesis and suggests one possible avenue of treatment.

First POIS Research Study, 2002

We have a copy of the first formal medical investigation on POIS by Prof. dr. Marcel D. Waldinger,MD,PhD, and Dr. Dave Schweitzer, MD.

  
Recent POIS Research Study, 2010

CASE REPORT
Postorgasm Illness Syndrome - A Spectrum of Illnesses
Jane Ashby, MRCP, and David Goldmeier, MRCP
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg316781#msg316781


British Medical Journal Case Report, 2010

Case study by Dr. Selwyn Dexter of a patient with a headache-featured POIS symptom treated with progesterone/norethisterone.
http://casereports.bmj.com/content/2010/bcr.10.2009.2359.short?rss=1


How to get any or all of the above 5 studies: send me or "daveman" a Private Message (PM) with your regular email address (use "AT" instead of "@" ) and we'll send you back the PDF(s).

To send a Private Message, click on "Messages" at the top of this page. At the Messages page, click on "New Message". From that point on, it works just like posting a message here, except that it only goes to the person(s) you designate.

Remember to put a quote around the recipient's name, i.e., "demografx", or "daveman".


New York Times article,

January 20, 2009
Mind
Sex and Depression: In the Brain, if Not the Mind
By RICHARD A. FRIEDMAN, M.D.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/20/health/views/20mind.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=friedman%20sexual%20January%2020&st=cse

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In addition to serving our own informational interests, the resources listed above can be useful for you to show our credibility to the medical world - which often shows little understanding and is sometimes skeptical of our condition: POIS has scientific underpinnings and POIS is not "just another psychological problem" related to sex - to be treated by the psychiatric/psychotherapeutic community. All of this information can greatly help you to fight the immediate reaction of some doctors: so just tell them, "IT'S NOT 'ALL IN OUR HEADS'! "

Also, it can be helpful when dealing with medical professionals to point out the successful existence of our rapidly growing forum, which has already been referenced in respectable sources such as the Journal of Sexual Medicine (Dr. Waldinger's study), British Medical Journal and wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postorgasmic_illness_syndrome

For over 4 years, our POIS forum has attracted over 200 POIS sufferers worldwide who have posted here, research on an additional 200 sufferers elsewhere on the internet, plus over 1,000,000 page visits. Not bad for a rare malady!



SEARCH THE FORUM WITH GOOGLE

We have an overwhelming amount of data: more than 4 years' worth of posts (over  10,000 posts!) from 200+ Forum members, and an additional 200 POIS sufferers found elsewhere on the Internet by Member B_Jim.

In the Google search box, type
whatever-it-is-you're-interested-in-finding-out[space]POIS[space]site:http://thenakedscientists.com/

for example, I tried
nocturnal emission POIS site:http://thenakedscientists.com/

and 740 results came up for "nocturnal emission" within the Forum.

be careful with spaces (you can use them before the word "site") and no-spaces (everything after the word "site")

Google even provides you results with the Message# for each result. But Message #'s do change, so be patient and look for the approximate Message#.





 

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« Reply #13724 on: 19/06/2011 15:55:26 »
I came across an interesting fact while researching the composiition of semen.
Apparently the Seminal Vesicles produce these Prostaglandins, which are "involved in suppressing an immune response by the female against the foreign semen". I thought that was interesting- in terms of the auto-immune theory, because this could be something to investigate regarding POIS. I wonder if they are looking at these prostaglandins more.  I just thought it was interesting. So there is a component of semen which is meant to suppress the immune system.

On Wikipedia:

Seminal Vesicles create:
   amino acids, citrate, enzymes, flavins, fructose (the main energy source of sperm cells, which rely entirely on sugars from the seminal plasma for energy), phosphorylcholine, prostaglandins (involved in suppressing an immune response by the female against the foreign semen), proteins, vitamin C

There are little jewels like this showing up from time to time that I don't want to loose. I'm having temporary trouble getting over to the other forum regularly (internet problems). Is this put in a good place over there, so we won't loose it. In the section that emi_b is organizing maybe. It will be good to have potential desires/ideas for research organized.

Hope I can get to a better access later today.
 

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