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« Reply #1450 on: 04/10/2008 04:11:50 »
And...sorry if I missed it: how did you test for your iodine deficiency? Do you think iodine could make a difference in POIS for men vs women?

I found the test for iodine deficiency in an interview Mary Shomon (author of a well-known thyroid
self help book) did with with Dr. Joseph Mercola. From what I've read so far, iodine deficiency affects both
sexes, but women seem to have more issues with the thyroid--15% of women according to some stats are
thyroid impaired.

"...for specific recommendations for hypothyroidism, I feel the best supplement that one could possibly take for
proactive thyroid health on a regular basis would be some form of organic iodine. A simple way to determine if
one requires this is to paint a patch of tincture of iodine on your skin the size of a half dollar. The iodine brown
coloration should last at least 24 hours. The faster it is absorbed the greater the body's iodine deficiency.

The best source of organically bound iodine that I know of is non-commercially harvested seaweeds. The dose
is about 5 grams a day or about one ounce per week. So a pound would last about two months. Radioactive
iodine is another factor that can damage the thyroid so one needs to flood the gland with healthy iodine from
organic sources like seaweed. As you know this is particularly important for pregnant women as if they have
untreated hypothyroidism, a New England Journal of Medicine study showed that their children may have
lower IQ scores.

The better seaweeds are hand picked and dried and not typically available in health food stores. They are the
absolute best forms of minerals that I am aware of. Unfortunately the people who produce this usually run
small operations, and do not make their products widely known. Kelp from the health food store may work,
but it really depends on how it was harvested and there is no way to know that reliably, so I rely on seaweed
harvesters who hand pick the seaweed and reliably dry them free from contaminants."

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1451 on: 04/10/2008 16:54:32 »
Can you give your TSH value ? Mine is 2.95 (between limits : 0.250 to 5.000) but a friend thinks it's too high.

My TSH was .8 which is in ZRT Laboratories reference range (.5-3.0). It's my T3 that was clearly out of range at 2.0.
(Their reference range is 2.5-6.5). According to Mercola, and others of like mind, your TSH of 2.95 could be too high.

Here is what Mercola says about the thyroid testing in his interview with Mary Shomon:

Q. You have said that you feel that it's a "big myth" that that an elevated TSH (thyroid stimulating hormone) level is always
required before a diagnosis of hypothyroidism can be made. First, can you explain why you feel this is a big myth? And second,
why do you feel that conventional medicine seems to cling pretty firmly to this myth as the sole means of diagnosing hypo-
thyroidism?

A: I would say over 90% of the patients that I diagnose with underactive thyroids have a completely normal TSH level.
Even with this relatively insensitive test, a study published earlier this year concluded that 13 million Americans have
undiagnosed thyroid disease. I suspect it may be as high as five times that number.
From my perspective, most
traditionally based physicians have long abandoned their physical examination and diagnosis skills and appear unwilling to
believe that patients who complain of all the classic hypothyroid symptoms are in fact truly hypothyroid if their TSH is normal.

They would rather believe a lab test than the patient sitting in front of them. I suspect this may be related to the trust
physicians place in the researchers who developed the original assay. I suspect that the same issues are involved in nearly all
traditional physician's incredible reluctance to use natural thyroid hormones for replacement and their insistence on using
synthetic hormones. This is remarkable in light of the New England Journal of Medicine article last year that quite clearly
showed that natural hormones are far superior, especially with respect to brain function and mood.

Q. You have said that if a TSH is above 1.5 there is a strong chance the thyroid gland is not working properly. Can you
explain why you feel that is the case?

A: I have carefully analyzed hundred's of patient's symptoms and had many of them take their basal body temperatures. There
appears to be a strong correlation between this threshold value of a TSH above 1.5 and the diagnosis of hypothyroidism. Most
patients who have TSH levels above 1.5 seem to respond quite well to natural therapies that either improve or replace thyroid
function.

Q. Why do you feel that Free T3 and Free T4 levels are the only accurate measures of the actual active thyroid hormone
levels in the blood?
Why do you feel these are more accurate than the TSH level, which is considered the standard by
the majority of conventional physicians?

A. The Free T3 and Free T4 levels represent the active hormones circulating in the blood. The typical thyroid tests:
Total T4, T3 Uptake (and Free Thyroxine Index (FTI) are virtually worthless and should have been abandoned
years ago.
I believe that the Free T3 and Free T4 are not superior to TSH, but should be used in conjunction
with TSH. My contention is that the reference range for TSH is inaccurate. TSH is quite a good screen and will
in fact assess most cases of hypothyroidism if the new ranges are utilized. The value of Free T3 and Free T4 comes into
play when one needs to diagnose secondary and tertiary hypothyroidism. These are cases of hypothyroidism due to
pituitary or hypothalamic dysfunction. These are far less common than primary hypothyroidism, but nevertheless they do
constitute a significant percentage of individuals.


Kent Holtorf (an MD endocrinologist based in LA)  goes into even greater detail about inadequacies of thyroid testing.    http://holtorfmed.reachlocal.net/article_info.php?articles_id=2
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1452 on: 04/10/2008 18:55:18 »
Can you give your TSH value ? Mine is 2.95 (between limits : 0.250 to 5.000) but a friend thinks it's too high.

My TSH was .8 which is in ZRT Laboratories reference range (.5-3.0). It's my T3 that was clearly out of range at 2.0.
(Their reference range is 2.5-6.5). According to Mercola, and others of like mind, your TSH of 2.95 could be too high.


What are the units? (I'd like to compare these numbers to my own, but need to know if the units are the same).

My TSH was 1.110 uIU/mL (range: 0.465-4.680 uIU/mL)  and Free T4 was 1.07 ng/dL (range:0.78-2.19 ng/dL)
 

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« Reply #1453 on: 04/10/2008 19:00:23 »
Once again, i'm on Day3 today and my diet works. I feel tired only 24h or more after and not 3 or 4 days with huge improvement of symptoms (suppression of flulike state).

Congratulations, B_Jim!
 

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« Reply #1454 on: 04/10/2008 19:04:34 »
Can you give your TSH value ? Mine is 2.95 (between limits : 0.250 to 5.000) but a friend thinks it's too high.

My TSH was .8 which is in ZRT Laboratories reference range (.5-3.0). It's my T3 that was clearly out of range at 2.0.
(Their reference range is 2.5-6.5). According to Mercola, and others of like mind, your TSH of 2.95 could be too high.


What are the units? (I'd like to compare these numbers to my own, but need to know if the units are the same).

My TSH was 1.110 uIU/mL (range: 0.465-4.680 uIU/mL)  and Free T4 was 1.07 ng/dL (range:0.78-2.19 ng/dL)

The units in the ref. range are: 0.5-3.0 uU/ml for TSH,  2.5-6.5 pg/ml for Free T3 and 0.7-2.5 ng/dL for Free T4.
This is for ZRT Labs. Other labs may or may not have the same ref. ranges.
 

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« Reply #1455 on: 04/10/2008 20:19:14 »
For my lab i read : 2.95 mUI/l   limits : 0.250 to 5.000. I don't have T3 and T4 values :/
Thanks Girlwind for interview. My friend said too that i need T3 and T4, TSH alone is not enough.

Make sure it's the FREE T3 and FREE T4--which are the active hormones circulating in the blood.
 

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« Reply #1456 on: 04/10/2008 20:32:08 »
I will test new forms of magnesium too because i think magnesium is the first natural beta-blockers. Imre1 results with beta-blockers is very intersting.

Yes, I use magnesium in this way. I went to a doctor a few years ago for PVC's, and she recommended beta blockers.
I didn't want to take those, so she said the second best thing was magnesium. I use both a magnesium citrate powder
that you mix with hot water, and transdermal magnesium. In addition I take Hawthorne Berry which is known to be
helpful for heart arrythmias.
 

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« Reply #1457 on: 05/10/2008 03:50:15 »
B_Jim and girlwind, forgive me but I'm getting a little lost in some of the depth of discussion.

Can you both summarize - in simple form - what you now take for POIS alone? (e.g., iodine, protein [how do we get protein? health food supplement?] )

Many thanks. I and perhaps others here would really appreciate this simplification! And I'm not disparaging the detail, I just get derailed easily in the discussion.
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« Reply #1458 on: 05/10/2008 09:14:18 »
Interesting thoughts, B_Jim.

I have been trying Bisoprolol 5 mg/day for slightly over a month now.  I am noticing definite improvement.  Recovery time has gone from 12-40 hrs to
4-5 hrs.  This happened gradually -- I needed to take the medication for at least three weeks to notice much difference. (Assuming the difference has anything to do with Bisoprolol! This could be coincidental).

Also note, I tried Zoloft, starting at the beginning of August, and ending mid September.  It slightly decreased sexual urges, which was helpful, but I do not sense it had a profound effect on POIS. 

You mean, you don't get the total absence of any libido then? My sex-drive has been COMPLETELY ereducated. Even to a point of no longer being able to make the difference between hetero or homo.

The reason of the last statement being that the level of sexual arousal has a definite influence on POIS symptoms.

Anyway, i have the same reduction in time all symtoms are active.

The pain has definetely gone away with bisoprolol. But i seem now to be getting an increase of what i call "fever attacks". Intense heat feelings with extensive sweating. This i can live with, since it usualy lasts only a few minutes and only 1 or 2 times. I just have to make sure that i can sit down. And nobody else is bothering me in the mean time.

One more thing to notice here is that some woman drove my car total loss some two months ago. So I haven't been to the gym for two months now. Probably the sweating will reduce again after i get my new car and go to the gym again.
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« Reply #1459 on: 05/10/2008 09:17:02 »
I have high blood pressure myself.

Could there be a link between high blood pressure and POIS?

At times over the last few years my blood pressure has been very good.

I think that blood pressure rises because of POIS symptoms. POIS induces symptoms and these make blood pressure rise?
 

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« Reply #1460 on: 05/10/2008 09:23:32 »
Today I received an e-mail of an unknown person who wrote me that men are desperate and that one man even removed his testicles.

Has someone been talking behind my back, lol?

Anyway i have been looking at everything, leaving no subject taboo, including this.

I think nobody has actualy done this. Mostly because cyproteron-acetaat has the exact same effect.
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« Reply #1461 on: 05/10/2008 09:26:11 »
elevated prolactin secretion can suppress the secretion of FSH and GnRH, leading to hypogonadism, and sometimes causing erectile dysfunction in men.

Well, one might safely assume that ED and POIS are mutualy exclusive.
 

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« Reply #1462 on: 05/10/2008 10:11:50 »
Reading documentation on gender dysphasia seems to indicate that gender behaviour seems to be influenced largely by the amount of female hormones (for men).

Prolactin is a female hormone.

One rough indication of high prolactin and similar hormones might be female behaviour like:
- a large amount of time spent on literature
- a love for light colors, like purple and pink
- a love for romantic music over heavy metal
- a preference for cooking over fixing automobiles
- ...
 

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« Reply #1463 on: 05/10/2008 15:06:45 »
 a large amount of time spent on literature
- a love for light colors, like purple and pink
- a love for romantic music over heavy metal
- a preference for cooking over fixing automobiles

well.. i thought those things to be associated with personality (which I guess is actually controlled by hormones and genes).  But I do spend alot of time reading books and I like romantic stuff, and I can't say that I would prefer fixing automobiles.  I do like to fix electronics..lol.  But, seriously, I wonder if I do have elevated prolactin.  Is there any way to test to see if I do?

Also, has any one else tried to see if they have low iodine levels?  I tried the tincture application to my skin.  The brown color went away after about 20 or 22 hours.  Not sure if that is a defintie sign of low iodine levels.   
 

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« Reply #1464 on: 05/10/2008 15:51:26 »
I like romantic stuff

Well, spending time in second life seems to indicate that the typical hetero male idea of romance is "hi, you are very beautiful, i want to **** you".
 

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« Reply #1465 on: 05/10/2008 17:24:19 »
B_Jim and girlwind, forgive me but I'm getting a little lost in some of the depth of discussion.

Can you both summarize - in simple form - what you now take for POIS alone? (e.g., iodine, protein [how do we get protein? health food supplement?] )

Many thanks. I and perhaps others here would really appreciate this simplification! And I'm not disparaging the detail, I just get derailed easily in the discussion.

Hi Demografx--The list of supplements I take for the adrenals is posted on page 47, with the message ID#191121.
I am now taking kelp powder for thyroid--as it has IODINE, which was the the point of all the detail. Iodine (to help my
low thyroid) may be a big part of the puzzle for me--as explained in the many previous postings.

There are other things I take as well to benefit my overall health, to help the CFS, which helps the POIS. Like B_Jim, I eat an all
organic diet of mostly vegetables with lots of protein, and healthy fats (nuts, seeds, olive oil, avocado, coconut oil)--no sugar
or grain or processed food, and minimal fruit.

I don't think there is anything I take "for POIS alone." What helps my overall energy, my endocrine system, my digestive system,
my brain and nervous system helps POIS. Too bad POIS is not simple, otherwise it would be much easier to resolve.
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« Reply #1466 on: 05/10/2008 17:32:03 »
Also, has any one else tried to see if they have low iodine levels?  I tried the tincture application to my skin.  The brown color went away after about 20 or 22 hours.  Not sure if that is a defintie sign of low iodine levels.  

According to what I've read about this test, the patch of tincture should last at least 24 hours.
So you may be just a little low.  In comparison, mine was gone in 2 1/2 hours!
 

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« Reply #1467 on: 05/10/2008 18:33:14 »
Demografx : Do you eat a lot of sugar ? Considering your ED, you need to talk this to your doctor and test your SHBG. Remember study i posted p44. Too much sugar is not good for SHBG.
Yes, B_Jim, I have a difficult time with sugar. It's a struggle. So thank you for that.
 

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« Reply #1468 on: 05/10/2008 18:41:08 »
girlwind, many thanks for the re-cap above. Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that the POIS malady is not so hopeless as we once thought. There are many things to try that we, as pioneers, have discovered to be effective!
 

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« Reply #1469 on: 05/10/2008 18:48:14 »
Well, one might safely assume that ED and POIS are mutualy exclusive.
Not exactly sure what you mean, but I have ED and POIS and Levitra "cures" about 75% of my POIS.
 

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« Reply #1470 on: 05/10/2008 19:14:20 »
Well, one might safely assume that ED and POIS are mutualy exclusive.
Not exactly sure what you mean, but I have ED and POIS and Levitra "cures" about 75% of my POIS.

I might have the wrong idea about ED, but it seems to me if you can't have an erection you can't have an orgasm and without orgasm you can't have post-orgasmic symptoms.
 

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« Reply #1471 on: 05/10/2008 20:35:27 »
I might have the wrong idea about ED, but it seems to me if you can't have an erection you can't have an orgasm and without orgasm you can't have post-orgasmic symptoms.

(1) one can have an orgasm without erection.

(2) Levitra (and other ED drugs) facilitate a full erection (Levitra also cures 75% of my POIS symptoms).

(3) someone else here even reported POIS without orgasm; during the pre-ejaculate (from pre-ejaculatory fluid or Cowper's fluid) period of arousal.
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« Reply #1472 on: 05/10/2008 20:50:36 »

Here is some interesting info on iodine, he claims the skin test is not valid.

http://thyroid.about.com/library/derry/bl2a.htm

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The "test" of putting iodine on the skin to watch how fast it disappears is not an indicator of anything

 

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« Reply #1473 on: 05/10/2008 21:02:29 »

Here is some interesting info on iodine, he claims the skin test is not valid.

http://thyroid.about.com/library/derry/bl2a.htm

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The "test" of putting iodine on the skin to watch how fast it disappears is not an indicator of anything



I'm happy to have done the test. It worked for me, as it led me to explore my thyroid issue, discover that I have hypothyroidism,
and find something (supplementation with kelp) that has worked  for me.  What's not valid for one, is a victory for another.

If you want a more thorough and complicated test, here's one to try.
http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/loadTest.htm
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« Reply #1474 on: 05/10/2008 22:30:46 »
ok thanks for the link. 

It has now been 28 hours and I still seen brown/yellow color.  Not sure what to believe.

My plan is as follows:  I am going to try Relora.  If that does not work then I will try the Kelp Powder.

Thanks girlwind
 

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