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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #150 on: 19/11/2007 04:20:51 »
B_Jim, I hope you feel better by now.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #151 on: 19/11/2007 11:45:39 »
Hi everyone, sorry Iíve not posted in a while. Welcome to all  who have joined the forum since my last post and thanks a lot for sharing. Chrisb I second Jim_Bís highlighting of your lethargy and derealisation -  itís the biggest problem for me too. Imre youíre definitely not alone in having problems at work because of this. Its affected my work big time as well. B-Jim I also hope youíre feeling better now.

For me I think exercise definitely has a benefit. It doesnít really help relieve symptoms but it can definitely help me purge the urge for a release and I recommend trying some exercise next time you really feel the need but canít afford the after effects. That said, Iím on day one of POIS just now which is my first in a while.

I see that a couple of you are married. I know its not ideal but I find a little comfort in the fact youíre able to maintain a relationship even with POIS. I started seeing a great girl recently and told her about POIS from the start. She said she was willing to try and work around it. Its not the easiest thing to do but if youíre sure youíre getting involved with someone and you find out itís a mutual thing then I definitely recommend being upfront about POIS from the beginning. Unfortunately now that relationship has ended all too quickly which is really hard just now, but I saw a glimmer of hope that things might just be possible, be positive if you find yourself in the same situation. Like me you may have put up some barriers to stop yourself getting hurt in these situations. At the end of the day I let down the barriers, perhaps too late and Iíve wound up hurting. But I still think its worth the risk if you find someone willing to try and understand POIS. For me, falling for a person like this is so so rare, I think you have to try. Believe thereís someone for you out there. If they find their way to you, I hope it works.

Best to everyone,
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #152 on: 19/11/2007 15:26:54 »
Hi

I've done the same thing as mellivora... everytime i get involved seriously with some girl i just tell her. Some have not understood, others have felt pity for me, but most of the times i've had a good response. As mellivora says, i recommend being totally straight about our condition, because sooner or later it will reflect and harm the relationship.

I have no further news... nothing really interesting has happened.

Best to everyone...

JP
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #153 on: 21/11/2007 00:07:10 »
Hi everyone, nice to see some new people posting.  I Thought I had my profile set to emial me when messages were postedÖglad I came back to check.

Agjchs, thatís wonderful if DHEA worked to alleviate your POIS symptoms. I had once ordered DHEA but chickened out from experimenting with it due to the lack of information I could find. I finally threw it out with a couple dozen other supplements I had ordered to experiment with. Perhaps I will order it again, Iíll have to read up on it again.

Chris, at times I had noticed a similar thing, the times when I truly felt love for the woman is when I enjoyed it more and experienced better sexual performanceÖ. and the least POIS.  I wondered if it might be connected to prolactin levels which have been found to be much higher following intercourse vs masturbation.  http://www.reuniting.info/download/pdf/Brody-2006-prolactin-bp.pdf  Perhaps it generates sufficient prolactin to shut off the sexual circuitry.

Dave, good idea with hormone levels post sex, although years ago I had this checked and apparently everything was good. I donít know what the endocrinologist checked, but I got a thumbs up. I know you can order hormone testing kits online, perhaps it would provide some information.

Imre1, for me I can avoid wet dreams as long as I keep my mind completely  off sex, by avoiding anything that would make me think of it, including regular tv where people are making out. But I admit I do let the thoughts in eventually and bam, I wake at night as I did last night :o)

Jim, Iíll respond to the list soon

Hope youíre all doing well !

John
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #154 on: 25/11/2007 22:46:33 »
Agjchs, can you tell me how long you have been on 12.5mg DHEA?

John
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #155 on: 26/11/2007 02:03:26 »
POIS Day Zero

Hi John and everyone, thanks for keeping the ideas/thoughts flying!

Today, tired but not exhausted. Took Levitra 10mg + stimulants/caffeine.

Looking forward to more discussion about DHEA.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #156 on: 26/11/2007 22:38:29 »
Here is some interesting info on DHEA being a possible co-regulator of sleep: http://www.anthropogeny.com/Sleep%20and%20SIDS.htm Considering my insomnia...I'm intrigued.

John
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #157 on: 30/11/2007 04:49:32 »
Thanks, John. Well, my last POIS symptoms (starting with Day Zero post right above John's) were pretty mild! I attribute that mostly to Levitra 10mg, but I also learned some very important "tricks" here at the POIS Forum, such as (1) to try to have a good, powerful, romantically-fueled vs. weak experience and (2) low frequency of sex. In my case it's been 3 weeks since. About right, it seems for me.

I owe a lot to this Forum. Even the Levitra might not have been noticed were it not for the focus on POIS and testing the effects of various chemicals and procedures that this Forum affords.

Thank you very much.

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #158 on: 30/11/2007 19:25:52 »
Thanks, John. Well, my last POIS symptoms (starting with Day Zero post right above John's) were pretty mild! I attribute that mostly to Levitra 10mg, but I also learned some very important "tricks" here at the POIS Forum, such as (1) to try to have a good, powerful, romantically-fueled vs. weak experience and (2) to not have "too many" releases close together, which varies from person to person. In my case it's been 3 weeks since the last release. About right, it seems for me.

I owe a lot to this Forum. Even the Levitra might not have been noticed were it not for the focus on POIS and testing the effects of various chemicals and procedures that this Forum affords.

Thank you very much.




This is wonderful demografx. ....it's so refreshing to hear of the positive consequences this forum exudes....

We also thank YOU and the participants of this thread for their valuable contributions.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #159 on: 02/12/2007 14:27:10 »
I just wanted to remark that I have been getting some realy great benefits from a new technique inspired with what my sexologist said.

First of all it is needed to state that the problem realy is orgasm, not ejaculation. The reason this is so clear is because there are still some 20% of people with post orgasmic problems are female.

Also what men cannot live without is not actually orgasm, but ejaculation. If you are experiencing post orgasmic problems it is the direct result of orgasming too hard. So what is needed is a way to reduce orgasm while letting ejaculation proceed as normal.

The means of doing this is actually very simple. There is a natural time span in which orgasm is maximally. If you have premature ejaculation orgasm is very weak. If you hold on too long orgasm is again very weak.

It is this second phase of weak orgasm we would like to reliably reproduce. So getting into masturbation for an excessive amount of time, say 3-4 hours.

How on earth do you get masturbation for 3-4 hours?

This can only be done when stopping in between. So repeatedly going to the point of no return and then stopping to do something else. My sexologist called this sexual relaxation.

There are 3 reasons why this would work:
* the same reason why people do 10 minutes cardio training before doing power training (i.e. it acts as a warm-up phase)
* the natural decline of orgasmic feelings
* by stopping right before the point of no return, excessive amounts of pre-cum are released. Since you are not getting this during real ejaculation the time of ejaculation is kept down and orgasm will be much shorter.

If you are wondering wether this will not lead you to miss a feeling of orgasmic fullfilment. Try having more then one orgasm then. Each subsequent orgasm will be small, not strong enough to add to the origin of post orgasmic symptoms.

Also using this technique is very good for avoiding wet dreams. Since they will train the muscles in your lower abdomen area.

Almost all my post orgasmic symptoms have disappeared because of this technique (which I would like to call Sexual Relaxation Retraining Therapy).

Anyway do with it what you want.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #160 on: 02/12/2007 14:31:10 »
Also if you want some medicin. Consider taking a seditive before engaging in sexual activity. In my country you can buy feeding supplements (sedixx) for people with ADHD to make them more relaxed.

With these kind of pills it should also be possible to keep your orgasm down.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #161 on: 02/12/2007 18:31:16 »


This is wonderful demografx. ....it's so refreshing to hear of the positive consequences this forum exudes....

We also thank YOU and the participants of this thread for their valuable contributions.

Neil, thank you for caring! POIS - for most sufferers - has been a very lonely existence before this Forum. Physicians, therapists, psychiatrists, etc. look at us like we're crazy, they have no idea what we're talking about! Or they think it's because we weren't breast-fed properly or somesuch psychological nonsense. I THANK YOU - AND MY FELLOW SUFFERERS - FOR BEING HERE!
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #162 on: 02/12/2007 18:36:39 »
...some 20% of people with post orgasmic problems are female.

Your post is very interesting. Can you tell us where the above statistic was found? I would like to read more about it. Thanks!
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #163 on: 03/12/2007 08:55:52 »
Actualy the figure is the well-known one for benign coital headache (including post coital headache).

Here is a case of a woman in Italy that had pretty much the same thing as me.

http://www.health24.com/medical/Condition_centres/777-792-1077-1714,18497.asp
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #164 on: 03/12/2007 09:16:35 »
"Waldinger has seen five Dutch men in as many years in his practice
complaining of flu-like symptoms including a sore throat, sweating, extreme
fatigue and eye irritation after sex."

This makes me believe that there realy is no such thing as POIS. The symptoms are too similar to post coÔtal headache/migraine. (Which by the way nobody knows what causes it.)
 

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« Reply #165 on: 03/12/2007 09:28:36 »
(1) to try to have a good, powerful, romantically-fueled vs. weak experience and (2) to not have "too many" releases close together, which varies from person to person.

There is a document on the web called "your brain on sex" (http://www.reuniting.info/science/sex_in_the_brain) which pretty much explains the dynamics.

The interesting part is that lowering post orgasmic symptoms involves higher levels of sexual arousement (more dopamine). Which is the totaly opposite of what is usually said, by the medical society, about post orgasmic pain.

You can easily do this test by first masturbating to a picture of an old ugly woman. And then after some time again masturbating to a picture of a beautifull young girl.

In my experience the beautifull young girl causes significantly less pain.
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« Reply #166 on: 03/12/2007 09:32:13 »
Also notice that Waldinger works in a department that treats men with problems involving erectile disfunction.

This alone may be the reason it is stated that he does not know wether post orgasmic symptoms also appear in women.
 

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« Reply #167 on: 03/12/2007 09:46:25 »
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When I have great, bedbreaking, screaming and thrashing sex with my wife and my heart rate goes like I'm running a marathon and it takes a while to get my breath back and my orgasm was so strong I thought my head would fall off, I always suffer a lot less with POIS. I do get a drop in energy and my stomach goes a little funny and all the things I've described, but it's always a lot lot worse if I'm sitting quietly at home and have a quick **** that probably does not even raise my heart rate at all. After that I often feel like I've had all my energy drained away and I often go and lie down and sleep.

I just noticed this was mentioned before.

It is pretty much what I have just been saying also. Higher levels of sexual arousement cause less symptoms. There may be something wrong with dopamine relase then. Maybe causing too high levels of prolactin. Which brings us back to the beginning. Starving yourself of prolactin in dairy products might have a very benificial result.

But then it is also possible that orgasm comes too quickly. And that you realy should be warmed up first.
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« Reply #168 on: 03/12/2007 10:03:35 »
If you think this last part is contrary to what I called Sexual Relaxation Retraining Therapy consider the fact that it is important in this technique to get high levels of arousement prior to each stop. Because this ensures high releases of pre-cum.
 

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« Reply #169 on: 03/12/2007 11:31:52 »
Maybe leading to the believe that the problem is realy related to what you could call "cold orgasms". Orgasming in a body that is not readily warmed up.

I.e. a condition very similar to muscle ache caused by not doing stretch excercises.
 

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« Reply #170 on: 03/12/2007 13:43:14 »
Also if POIS was a auto-imune desease you would be able to determine that with a PET-scan (or have I been watching too much House).
 

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« Reply #171 on: 04/12/2007 03:48:57 »
"Waldinger has seen five Dutch men in as many years in his practice
complaining of flu-like symptoms including a sore throat, sweating, extreme
fatigue and eye irritation after sex."

This makes me believe that there realy is no such thing as POIS. The symptoms are too similar to post coÔtal headache/migraine. (Which by the way nobody knows what causes it.)

imre1 - - do your symptoms last 3-5 days after sex? THAT (to me) plus extreme fatigue/exhaustion is the definition of POIS, of which there are many varieties on this Forum. But, again,  3 to 5 days of extreme exhaustion and perhaps some form of derealization, I think is the common thread here.

POIS differs from "post orgasmic fatigue" -- which lasts hours - not days, like POIS does.

Dr. Waldinger, as B_Jim pointed out, studied a very small sample. I think what Waldinger contributed most to all of us was DAYS (not hours) of symptoms, and flulike symptoms...which include fatigue/exhaustion.

I contend that anyone who comes to this Forum has POIS, because - although they may see differences in symptoms, the SIMILARITIES are more important.

So....we are all here, still in the process of defining POIS!
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« Reply #172 on: 04/12/2007 17:03:50 »
No, mine is more of a very excruciating pain lasting days.

That said I do think that there are a number of nasty things people can get from orgasm, none of them fun.

Still, by studying the problem at a personal level you can identify what causes more/less symptoms.

I just wanted to state that orgasmic problems realy are caused by orgasm and that there are ways of being in control of your orgasms.

Further more by exchanging information ir is possible to find out what is likely to work for other people.

And the red line that seems to run through this is that higher levels of arousal cause less symptoms. Maybe it's the body's way of saying that sex realy is meant to be done with partners whom we are in love with.
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« Reply #173 on: 05/12/2007 11:10:36 »
After looking somewhat further I have found that Chronic Fatigue Syndrome has many of the symptoms of post orgasmic symptoms.

CDC 1994 criteria (aka "Fukuda"):

The fatigue must be accompanied by a minimum of 4 of the following eight symptoms:

1 Impairment of short-term memory and concentration
2 Sore throat
3 Tender lymph nodes
4 Muscle pain
5 Multi-joint pain
6 Headaches of a new type, pattern, or severity
7 Unrefreshing sleep or insomnia
8 Post-exertional malaise or fatigue lasting more than 24 hours after exertion.


NICE (UK) 2007 criteria

* fatigue that is new, persistent and/or recurrent, not explained by other conditions and has has resulted in a substantial reduction in activity level characterised by post-exertional malaise and/or fatigue (typically delayed, for example by at least 24 hours, with slow recovery over several days) and
* one or more of the following list of symptoms: difficulty with sleeping, muscle and/or joint pain at multiple sites without evidence of inflammation, headaches, painful lymph nodes that are not pathologically enlarged, sore throat, cognitive dysfunction, worsening of symptoms by physical or mental exertion, general malaise, dizziness and/or nausea and palpitations with no identifiable heart problem.


Maybe post orgasmic symptoms are a manifestation, or a special form, of CFS?
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #174 on: 06/12/2007 15:58:48 »
My psychiatrist thought my POIS sounded like CFS, I disagreed don't remember why) but with imre1's post (thank you) it does seem a possibility.
 

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