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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1550 on: 12/10/2008 20:40:44 »
Thanks for the info Girlwind, I don't mind finding out what might be wrong with me, I'm already suffering so information can only help lead me to a cure :)

I've looked at wikipedia's symptom list for Hypothyroidism, but I don't really match that many of them, and in some cases I am the exact opposite (strong fingernails, very tolerant of cold, no digestive problems etc). Fatigue and depression are the only 2 that might fit me of the "early symptoms" list, but they could apply to hundreds of other illnesses, and I would say I only suffered from the above 2 mildly anyway.

Outside my POIS episodes my skin is not dry at all, and my hair is a bit on the greasy side if anything. It's the contrast between my normal "good hair and skin" and how they feel when I have POIS that reminds me that I have it.

So hopefully I have been lucky enough to avoid Hypothyroidism ... but now I know the symptoms I am warned in advance :)

It honestly wouldn't surprise me if orgasm somehow "confused" my hypothalamus and/or pituitary gland (which apparently control the thyroid gland), and cause it to function less efficiently than usual.

It also wouldn't surprise me if many of the posters here have hormone imbalances of one kind or another - whether that would be the cause of POIS or one of its symptoms I don't know .....
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1551 on: 12/10/2008 20:44:51 »
This Forum activity makes me wonder if this is what it was like for Christopher Columbus and his crew - - debating the best way to get to America :)
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1552 on: 12/10/2008 20:47:02 »
Outside my POIS episodes my skin is not dry at all..

Me, too.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1553 on: 12/10/2008 21:01:57 »
Thanks for the info Girlwind, I don't mind finding out what might be wrong with me, I'm already suffering so information can only help lead me to a cure :)

I've looked at wikipedia's symptom list for Hypothyroidism, but I don't really match that many of them, and in some cases I am the exact opposite (strong fingernails, very tolerant of cold, no digestive problems etc). Fatigue and depression are the only 2 that might fit me of the "early symptoms" list, but they could apply to hundreds of other illnesses, and I would say I only suffered from the above 2 mildly anyway.

Outside my POIS episodes my skin is not dry at all, and my hair is a bit on the greasy side if anything. It's the contrast between my normal "good hair and skin" and how they feel when I have POIS that reminds me that I have it.

So hopefully I have been lucky enough to avoid Hypothyroidism ... but now I know the symptoms I am warned in advance :)

It honestly wouldn't surprise me if orgasm somehow "confused" my hypothalamus and/or pituitary gland (which apparently control the thyroid gland), and cause it to function less efficiently than usual.

It also wouldn't surprise me if many of the posters here have hormone imbalances of one kind or another - whether that would be the cause of POIS or one of its symptoms I don't know .....


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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1554 on: 12/10/2008 21:41:48 »
girlwind, would you recommend 2 tests? ("in-POIS" and "not in-POIS")
 

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« Reply #1555 on: 12/10/2008 21:46:12 »
girlwind, would you recommend 2 tests? ("in-POIS" and "not in-POIS")

Actually, that might be a good idea. We could each do a complete hormone panel with all the gonadal hormones--
estrogen, testosterone, DHEA; the 4 cortisols (although these are usually done with saliva testing), and the thyroid
panel of Free T3, Free T4 and TSH. Maybe even HGH (human growth hormone), and any others that may apply.
We could do them w/o POIS and then with POIS.   It would be interesting....
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1556 on: 12/10/2008 22:05:14 »
Hey people im still around =)
I have my first session with our university mental health counsellor to talk about this with her. I seem to remember an online form, where users could submit their symptoms and all sorts of information.. Id like to show this to her as i found it very useful =)
could someone please link me?? :) :D

************ is my email :)
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1557 on: 13/10/2008 01:59:37 »
One thing I have tried that has helped with my CFS and also to a partial degree with POIS, that is supposed to stimulate the circulatory system, is cayenne pepper. I read about a guy who had CFS who claimed cayenne pepper was a big factor in him regaining his health. Its health benefits were originally promoted by a Dr.Schultz. I have taken it all of this year in the morning and I think it has been a factor in my improving health. I have to admit I have only taken regular 'very hot' cayenne pepper powder. The advocates of this spice highly recommend taking super hot pepper with 100,000+HU rating, which I havenít as yet, as itís just not in shops.

HEY ACRONYM: Where do you get super hot cayenne? And how much do you take, and how?
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1558 on: 13/10/2008 03:48:56 »
POIS DIARY
48 HOURS

Well, that's how long it took this time to shake POIS with my 10 mg Levitra. Importantly, the symptoms were not nearly as severe as the pre-Levitra POIS days.

My estimate of 50% to 75% cure this time holds. Since it was a very long time since the previous POIS episode, I somehow thought I would do better. Oh well, maybe next time. Sorry I shouldn't complain! I got my brain back! (the brain fog lifted a few hours ago)

And maybe another testable item from you all will be promising enough to try to augment the Levitra next time!
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1559 on: 13/10/2008 03:52:52 »
Where do you get super hot cayenne?

girlwind, I did some consulting work for this company several years back, they've been around a long time. But Acronym might have a better source. Here's their super-hot.......
http://gurneys.com/product.asp?pn=69963&bhcd2=1223866024
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1560 on: 13/10/2008 04:00:02 »
ADULT ADHD/ADD

I finally relented and accepted this diagnosis a couple years back. Skeptical as I was, the prescribed stimulants have performed well.

Observing my brain fog more closely this current round of POIS, wow! Was my concentration ever piss-poor! (pardon the French)

I wonder if 30+ years of brain fog from POIS is where I got this "Adult ADHD/ADD" ?????

Q. How many kids with ADD does it take to change a lightbulb?
A. I don't know. How many?
Q. I think I'll go ride my bicycle now.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1561 on: 13/10/2008 04:05:57 »
Someone posted this at girlwind's POIS video site:

"Chronic excessive sex in the past alternates and exhausts the hypothalamus-pituitary-adrenal function. Likely drugs, sex is very addictive due to neuroplasticity. What do you think? "

Interesting!
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1562 on: 13/10/2008 06:39:01 »
Hey people im still around =)
I have my first session with our university mental health counsellor to talk about this with her. I seem to remember an online form, where users could submit their symptoms and all sorts of information.. Id like to show this to her as i found it very useful =)
could someone please link me?? :) :D

mikemensch@gmail.com is my email :)

http://pois.olympe-network.com/
I'll also email it to you
RAPIDGAMING, Best wishes with the counselor
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1563 on: 13/10/2008 06:56:02 »
IMPORTANT NOTICE:

The MD PhD is starting research on this condition.  I am still keeping his identity from being publicly available for the time being, since he won't be able to communicate to us if he receives too many e-mails.  If you do wish to consult with him in person, send me a private message to this effect.  To those who have already sent me such messages, I will respond.  I am first waiting for some more information from the physician.

He has requested a complete list of symptoms, using 1 or 2 word descriptions (e.g. fatigue, mental fog, ...)

Please post all of your symptoms here.
« Last Edit: 13/10/2008 07:00:21 by Counterpoints »
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1564 on: 13/10/2008 06:59:22 »
ALSO:
If you have a theory about POIS, now is the time to articulate it as clearly and as thoroughly as you possibly can.   

I think we are making really good progress!!!!


I've said I would get back to him by the end of the week.
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« Reply #1565 on: 13/10/2008 07:33:15 »
IMPORTANT NOTICE:

The MD PhD is starting research on this condition.  I am still keeping his identity from being publicly available for the time being, since he won't be able to communicate to us if he receives too many e-mails.  If you do wish to consult with him in person, send me a private message to this effect.  To those who have already sent me such messages, I will respond.  I am first waiting for some more information from the physician.

He has requested a complete list of symptoms, using 1 or 2 word descriptions (e.g. fatigue, mental fog, ...)

Please post all of your symptoms here.

Counterpoints, excellent!

Can we send symptoms to you via Private Message?
 

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« Reply #1566 on: 13/10/2008 10:42:05 »
Chronic excessive sex in the past alternates and exhausts the hypothalamus-pituitary-adrenal function. Likely drugs, sex is very addictive due to neuroplasticity. What do you think?

I can see how that makes sense. When i was younger and just discovered it I used to masturbate quite frequently. The problem is with society is there is a stigma talking about it and all that is said is that its fine and completely normal. I thought it was pretty much normal and natural. After 1 or 2 years i started noticing fatigue the following day so id limit myself to once every couple of days. and it just got worse after that xD
 

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« Reply #1567 on: 13/10/2008 18:46:16 »
...you can for example dance for 6 hours no stop without getting tired, out of breath (an other one of those "I thought i would never do this again", and a trilion times more fun then sex).

imre1, are you saying dancing is way more fun than sex? If so...please post your dance steps.....NOW!! ;D

Of course dancing is A LOT more fun!

Anyway after all this suffering just about anything is more fun then sex.
 

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« Reply #1568 on: 13/10/2008 18:47:11 »
Chronic excessive sex in the past alternates and exhausts the hypothalamus-pituitary-adrenal function. Likely drugs, sex is very addictive due to neuroplasticity. What do you think?

I can see how that makes sense. When i was younger and just discovered it I used to masturbate quite frequently. The problem is with society is there is a stigma talking about it and all that is said is that its fine and completely normal. I thought it was pretty much normal and natural. After 1 or 2 years i started noticing fatigue the following day so id limit myself to once every couple of days. and it just got worse after that xD

Sex is addictive due to dopamine. Dopamine is 10 times more addictive then cocaine.
 

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« Reply #1569 on: 13/10/2008 18:52:29 »
One thing I have tried that has helped with my CFS and also to a partial degree with POIS, that is supposed to stimulate the circulatory system, is cayenne pepper. I read about a guy who had CFS who claimed cayenne pepper was a big factor in him regaining his health. Its health benefits were originally promoted by a Dr.Schultz. I have taken it all of this year in the morning and I think it has been a factor in my improving health. I have to admit I have only taken regular 'very hot' cayenne pepper powder. The advocates of this spice highly recommend taking super hot pepper with 100,000+HU rating, which I haven’t as yet, as it’s just not in shops.

HEY ACRONYM: Where do you get super hot cayenne? And how much do you take, and how?

It's probably not the same thing. But this made me think of an other very hot pepper solution, sinus buster.

http://www.sinusbuster.com/

This however did nothing for me whatsoever.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1570 on: 13/10/2008 19:55:25 »
Can we send symptoms to you via Private Message?

Yes, that works.  One or two (or three :P) word descriptions only please.  The symptom description section of the POIS form,
http://pois.olympe-network.com, is also a good way to express this information.  I will be sure to compile what people have already written there.  I'll also take a quick look through the forum posts (especially B_Jim's early post which is being updated), but I probably will miss a lot -- I don't have time to read the 70 pages again.  So if anyone wishes to point out what I've missed, or compile some of that information themselves, it would be appreciated.
 

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« Reply #1571 on: 13/10/2008 19:56:09 »
Just for everyone's information, I have told demografx who this MD PhD is, and he has seen his CV.

 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1572 on: 13/10/2008 20:52:12 »
Of course dancing is A LOT more fun!
Anyway after all this suffering just about anything is more fun then sex.

imre1, of course! I should have realized almost anything is a LOT more fun than sex! Especially since I just recovered from my latest POIS AGONY!
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« Reply #1573 on: 13/10/2008 21:08:13 »
Just for everyone's information, I have told demografx who this MD PhD is, and he has seen his CV.

Impressive credentials, Counterpoints. And a friend who is a well respected sexuality research colleague of this physician speaks very highly of him. I agree that multiple emails from the forum might be too much for him to handle at this stage.

I sent the symptom description below to Counterpoints as a Private Message, but I thought I would post it here as well if it can help someone to see how I did it.

Counterpoints, I think it would be good to have this data shared amongst us. And with Dr. Marcel Waldinger. Can you make it available?

POIS SYMPTOMS

last 3-4 days
all fingertips "burning", "numb"
emotional numbness
brain fog (poor concentration)
moderate to severe exhaustion
excessive yet nonrefreshing sleep
depression
irritability
anxiety

Symptoms alleviated 50% to 75% by Levitra 10 mg

Theory: nitric oxide somehow plays role.
« Last Edit: 14/10/2008 01:31:58 by demografx »
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1574 on: 14/10/2008 00:08:46 »
Concerning nitric oxide L-arginine is indeed one avenue to explore.  I am also curious about the effects of consuming more vegetables high in nitrate such as spinach/radish/beets, might this have any counterPOIS effects? NO is also made during exorcise apparently. Anyone ever workout or go jogging before relations?  :-\
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