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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #16225 on: 26/04/2012 00:24:49 »
B_Daniel posted:

POIS symptoms overlap with those of thousands of disorders and syndromes out there.  Candida, Lyme Disease, Lupus, swamp butt, snotty nose, humabugga, and shmuggbug just to name a few.  And I'm not saying let's not check every one of those for ideas.  But they're not POIS and we shouldn't treat them as such.

Secondly, with regard to my request above - We need to have a 2 week rule or something before we post about supplements that help.  POIS fluctuates daily and is affected by tons of different factors.  It's only natural that under these conditions you're going to discover a bunch of FALSE positives.  That's normal.   But when you have a group of 200, and everyone is sending out these FALSE positives, we'd create an environment where people like Victor.Kons tells us all about Niacin for the first time, and we ignore him because we think it's just another person crying wolf. 

So, wouldn't it be better to hold your Stallion at the gate for an extra 2 weeks, then let it out early when there's a chance it's a weak horse and 50 people will just waste money, time, and hope on the idea?  For all of our benefit, just wait 2 weeks please GoingCrazy, 2 weeks.


B_Daniel,

What a great post in ALL respects!! The two-week rule is such a sound recommendation!!!

I imagine that it might be very difficult to have to wait two whole weeks to tell each other about a treatment that seems to be bringing sudden, complete relief.

BUT WAITING IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO!!!!
 

The most brilliant scientists (not only medical scientists!) wait much longer than that -- testing and re-testing their experiments to check for disparities.  I recently read that it took Einstein 17 years to prove his theory of relativity!

I hope that two-week rule can be put into effect on the forum.







 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #16226 on: 26/04/2012 01:09:36 »
B_Daniel posted:

POIS symptoms overlap with those of thousands of disorders and syndromes out there.  Candida, Lyme Disease, Lupus, swamp butt, snotty nose, humabugga, and shmuggbug just to name a few.  And I'm not saying let's not check every one of those for ideas.  But they're not POIS and we shouldn't treat them as such.

Secondly, with regard to my request above - We need to have a 2 week rule or something before we post about supplements that help.  POIS fluctuates daily and is affected by tons of different factors.  It's only natural that under these conditions you're going to discover a bunch of FALSE positives.  That's normal.   But when you have a group of 200, and everyone is sending out these FALSE positives, we'd create an environment where people like Victor.Kons tells us all about Niacin for the first time, and we ignore him because we think it's just another person crying wolf. 

So, wouldn't it be better to hold your Stallion at the gate for an extra 2 weeks, then let it out early when there's a chance it's a weak horse and 50 people will just waste money, time, and hope on the idea?  For all of our benefit, just wait 2 weeks please GoingCrazy, 2 weeks.


B_Daniel,

What a great post in ALL respects!! The two-week rule is such a sound recommendation!!!

I imagine that it might be very difficult to have to wait two whole weeks to tell each other about a treatment that seems to be bringing sudden, complete relief.

BUT WAITING IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO!!!!
 

The most brilliant scientists (not only medical scientists!) wait much longer than that -- testing and re-testing their experiments to check for disparities.  I recently read that it took Einstein 17 years to prove his theory of relativity!

I hope that two-week rule can be put into effect on the forum.

Makes sense to me, I apologise for any times I have been over-exuberant and posted too quickly.
« Last Edit: 26/04/2012 01:11:39 by John21 »
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #16227 on: 26/04/2012 01:48:08 »
Hey all, serious question.  I know for sure I get POIS symptoms when I masturbate and I thought it was ONLY that. As I mentioned before I'm 19 and most of my time spent when I was a younger was on masturbating and video games, I barely went out at all. Now It wasn't easy but I stopped masturbating all together and the positive changes on how I think and feel are amazing, I felt good. But just recently I visited my moms for the weekend and I got my symptoms back after 3 days of getting sucked into the beta for the upcoming game Diablo 3. Somewhere in all that time playing I felt a numbing sensation come over my head and it all came back, I'm fatigued, I can't think clearly no matter what, and I can't be socially active. I mean, last week at school I was the complete opposite, I was feeling confident with clear thoughts and I had a response to everything, made people laugh and even flirted. Now, all I could do the last 2 days was stay quiet, yawn, put my head down, and to talk as little as possible because my mind is off, the same feelings after I masturbate days before. This pisses me off because I'm avoiding masturbation for this sole reason and now I find out gaming gives it to me as well, I'm not sure what to do or how to explain this to people, If I tell a doctor she might misdiagnose me thinking its something else, I feel I brought this upon myself after abusing my mind and body so much from the late nights but will this be permanent? What can I do to stop this?
But my real question is, do any of you get symptoms that are similar to POIS symptoms from anything else other than orgasms or masturbating?
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #16228 on: 26/04/2012 01:52:29 »
I don't. This is an interesting point you raise, leo17.

POIS symptoms - for me - are extremely "unusual". Even the fatigue doesn't feel like normal fatigue, from say, exercise.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #16229 on: 26/04/2012 01:56:48 »

B_Daniel posted:

POIS symptoms overlap with those of thousands of disorders and syndromes out there.  Candida, Lyme Disease, Lupus, swamp butt, snotty nose, humabugga, and shmuggbug just to name a few.  And I'm not saying let's not check every one of those for ideas.  But they're not POIS and we shouldn't treat them as such.

Secondly, with regard to my request above - We need to have a 2 week rule or something before we post about supplements that help.  POIS fluctuates daily and is affected by tons of different factors.  It's only natural that under these conditions you're going to discover a bunch of FALSE positives.  That's normal.   But when you have a group of 200, and everyone is sending out these FALSE positives, we'd create an environment where people like Victor.Kons tells us all about Niacin for the first time, and we ignore him because we think it's just another person crying wolf. 

So, wouldn't it be better to hold your Stallion at the gate for an extra 2 weeks, then let it out early when there's a chance it's a weak horse and 50 people will just waste money, time, and hope on the idea?  For all of our benefit, just wait 2 weeks please GoingCrazy, 2 weeks.


B_Daniel,

What a great post in ALL respects!! The two-week rule is such a sound recommendation!!!

I imagine that it might be very difficult to have to wait two whole weeks to tell each other about a treatment that seems to be bringing sudden, complete relief.

BUT WAITING IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO!!!!
 

The most brilliant scientists (not only medical scientists!) wait much longer than that -- testing and re-testing their experiments to check for disparities.  I recently read that it took Einstein 17 years to prove his theory of relativity!

I hope that two-week rule can be put into effect on the forum.










Thanks, Stef, we need to definitely implement the TWO WEEK RULE!
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #16230 on: 26/04/2012 02:05:57 »
Thanks, demo.
I work out avidly and study on exercise and dieting and I love it. It makes me feel amazing but this fatigue and cognitive disruption has always been something that wore off in days, I never could get rid of it instantly. Sometimes I feel I shorten the duration with proper sleep and exercise but It still last for 2-5 days depending on what I've done.   
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #16231 on: 26/04/2012 02:16:42 »
You're welcome, leo17!

You just described very well my 30+ year POIS history.

A permanently recurring 4 day "jail sentence".

I don't know how I survived it all!
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #16232 on: 26/04/2012 04:42:13 »

There are more and more sites, blogs and forums talking about Pois. ;)


Great news.


Yes!
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #16233 on: 26/04/2012 05:36:09 »
Hey all, serious question.  I know for sure I get POIS symptoms when I masturbate and I thought it was ONLY that. As I mentioned before I'm 19 and most of my time spent when I was a younger was on masturbating and video games, I barely went out at all. Now It wasn't easy but I stopped masturbating all together and the positive changes on how I think and feel are amazing, I felt good. But just recently I visited my moms for the weekend and I got my symptoms back after 3 days of getting sucked into the beta for the upcoming game Diablo 3. Somewhere in all that time playing I felt a numbing sensation come over my head and it all came back, I'm fatigued, I can't think clearly no matter what, and I can't be socially active. I mean, last week at school I was the complete opposite, I was feeling confident with clear thoughts and I had a response to everything, made people laugh and even flirted. Now, all I could do the last 2 days was stay quiet, yawn, put my head down, and to talk as little as possible because my mind is off, the same feelings after I masturbate days before. This pisses me off because I'm avoiding masturbation for this sole reason and now I find out gaming gives it to me as well, I'm not sure what to do or how to explain this to people, If I tell a doctor she might misdiagnose me thinking its something else, I feel I brought this upon myself after abusing my mind and body so much from the late nights but will this be permanent? What can I do to stop this?
But my real question is, do any of you get symptoms that are similar to POIS symptoms from anything else other than orgasms or masturbating?
Anything that give me a massive jolt of adrenaline with probably give me at least some minor pois symptoms
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #16234 on: 26/04/2012 05:58:38 »
Interesting, laurac!
 

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« Reply #16235 on: 26/04/2012 08:54:16 »
Leo17- it sounds like youve developed Constant Pois. I've had it now for about 6 months. Yes, it sucks. I would estimate about 5-10% of our members now fall into this category. For me, it didnt happen overnight, but rather over a 3-6 week period my regular pois deteriorated into it.   Im not sure what caused it, but one hypothesis of mine is that it corresponds with a slightly decreased libido. Im interested to hear if thats the case for u as well.  My recommendation is that u jot down all the details u can remember from that day and the couple days before it.  It might be a good list to look back upon one day.  Hopefully though, you snap back out of it soon. Please keep us posted of any progress.
 

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« Reply #16236 on: 26/04/2012 10:52:20 »
I would like to know how is going the "POIS questionnaire" to make difference between categories of POIS?  :)

I totally agree with the "2 weeks rule"! I guess if we had gathered all the money we spent to try something that was actually unsuccessful... we would have reached the NORD amount for a while!
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #16237 on: 26/04/2012 14:12:49 »
Thank you for your warm welcome, demografx.

I have just purchased niacin, but I do not know when I should consume the tablets . Can someone please give me advice?
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #16238 on: 26/04/2012 14:24:00 »
I agree with the two weeks rule, I'm already applying this but I think there are real temporary and not placebo cures.
Do we want to know them to understand POIS? So if you feel you're cured with something just clearly mention this has been tested only one time or something similar. As I said in my first post here my POIS is really improved when I don't eat vegetables/fruits for 2-3 days (perhaps it's because of the low potassium), but if I have an other orgasm on this it will be a lot less effective the second time.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #16239 on: 26/04/2012 14:31:16 »
I would like to make a request on this forum: If you advertise that something cures you and then realize that your improvement was unrelated to your 'cure' and that you didnt 'cure' anything, please admit to the group that you were wrong.  This is a scientific forum, and your successes and failures should be equally documented.

Is this directed at someone? or are you just making a statement?  Because I am still feeling no pois on my method, just in case it was directed at me I don't know.  But I did not state that I found a cure (if it was directed at me), I only stated that it has deminished my pois 100% which hasn't happened to me before, so possibly, I may have found something close to a cure but only time will tell for me once I stop it and "O".

Why would you up your salt intake if you are already getting way too much each day from the processed foods you buy in the supermarket ? Its like me saying hey, I've discovered that taking a half a cup of raw sugar gives me relief.
Agreed.

Maybe it is that single large dosage of salt that goes into your bloodstream and is able to do something to POIS, and combined with vitamin C, that may do something.  Maybe just eating normal amounts of salt mixed with different foods makes it less diluted and it doesn't do a good job at all and goes barely noticed in your blood stream.  It's like eating any food with low sugar content, say a semi-healthy cereal like life cereal, and than eating a candy bar.  You will notice the candy bar a lot more.

FIDALGO,  sorry, just the caps to get your attention, I don't know if I believe in the "salt being in your mouth and signal to your brain" idea, but I'm looking forward to hear if it works for you or if it doesn't work for you.  Again, this could have something to do with my body, my genes, my appetite, my health, my results can be completely personal.  It could have even something to do with the claritin 24-hour I had taken beforehand, or the 2 months of  taking that and vitamin C.  But I would like to hear if it helps you, and if does not, I would be glad that you gave it a try.  I haven't felt POIS in quite a while and hope it stays that way.  I love feeling calm and relaxed like I should after an O, my last 4-5 sessions.  I hope it does something for you.

Im trying this and it's not working for me. Really, Im feeling even worst. I have a little diarreia every morning and I'm with headache.... I have a improve in my sleep because I use salt before sleep and it gives me a better sleep. But, at the first, I'm feeling worst than before the treatment... Oh, I had a problem too... Im not using sea salt, but I different kind of one... I will search one sea salt too see if have differences.

I will try for mere a couple weeks too see if works...

Someone more have tried this treatment? It works?
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #16240 on: 26/04/2012 15:51:23 »
I don't. This is an interesting point you raise, leo17.

POIS symptoms - for me - are extremely "unusual". Even the fatigue doesn't feel like normal fatigue, from say, exercise.

Ya It's like a mental fatigue, like a brain function just shuts off or is on standby until its gone.


Anything that give me a massive jolt of adrenaline with probably give me at least some minor pois symptoms

True, when I play online competitively and do really well I go nuts with excitement like the giants won the superbowl or something. Now I feel like crap, but even in my hardest workouts when I feel like dropping I never get this feeling. 

Leo17- it sounds like youve developed Constant Pois. I've had it now for about 6 months. Yes, it sucks. I would estimate about 5-10% of our members now fall into this category. For me, it didnt happen overnight, but rather over a 3-6 week period my regular pois deteriorated into it.   Im not sure what caused it, but one hypothesis of mine is that it corresponds with a slightly decreased libido. Im interested to hear if thats the case for u as well.  My recommendation is that u jot down all the details u can remember from that day and the couple days before it.  It might be a good list to look back upon one day.  Hopefully though, you snap back out of it soon. Please keep us posted of any progress.


I'm not sure if a blood test can confirm libido levels but my recent blood test came up good, everything was fine. I've been dealing with this since I was 14-15 and I didn't realize the problem until I did snap out of it and went back into it again at 18. I didn't know what was wrong with me and then I started looking for answers and POIS is the closest thing I found related to them. It's weird, the 2 things I pretty much mostly ever did (excessive gaming, masturbating) are the triggers that set these symptoms off.

Now I feel better than I did yesterday, but my thoughts still feel clouded and distant. Also when I"m laying down, or sitting down for about 20-30  minutes or more and I stand up, I get extremely lightheaded, dizzy and even my vision gets blurry for a few seconds. This only happens when I'm in POIS mode, has anyone else went through this?
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #16241 on: 26/04/2012 17:48:08 »
Hey guys,

I hope all is well.  I just got a prescription for Adderall this morning.  I haven't taken it yet as it requires 72 hrs for insurance authorization.  I know demo has found relief with ADHD meds (dextroamphetamine salts) and testosterone therapy.  I'm currently on testosterone therapy, so will see if the Adderall also helps. 

Moreover, I have an appointment in a few weeks with Dr. Jason Rosenberg, Director of the Headache Center at Johns Hopkins.  I've written him a long letter about POIS and he's had me complete a long survey in preparation for the visit.  I recently read an interesting article about research on "brain freeze" and how they've tied it to a sudden change in brain blood flow.  Moreover, they seem to believe this may help in identifying and treating migraines:

"The results suggest that these transient headaches are triggered by a sudden increase in blood flow in the brain's anterior cerebral artery. Brain freeze disappears again when this artery constricts, the study found."

I can feel the intense pressure in my head after an O and with Sumitriptan (Imitrex) having provided some relief, along with the relief many of us find with Niacin (the dilation of the vessels decreases the pressure against the walls of the vessels), I believe that we may find relief with neurological treatment.  The other day I was on a flight and got a bit aroused thinking about a hot chick in my kickboxing class who was giving me the look.  I didn't ejaculate, but did feel a bit of the "pleasure" of an O.  And you guessed, POIS kicked in.  It wasn't severe, but it was POIS.  I checked for any semen, and found none, even inside my urethra.

I also hope to undergo cognitive behavioral therapy for as we can all agree, POIS does change our lives beyond the temporary physical symptoms we experience. 

I will keep you updated and as always, best of luck and keep up the good fight.

Pharaoh

 

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« Reply #16242 on: 26/04/2012 18:00:45 »
Pharaoh, many thanks for the update!
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #16243 on: 26/04/2012 21:12:20 »

POIS symptoms - for me - are extremely "unusual". Even the fatigue doesn't feel like normal fatigue, from say, exercise.


It's like a mental fatigue, like a brain function just shuts off or is on standby until its gone.


Very well expressed!
 

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« Reply #16244 on: 26/04/2012 21:23:12 »

Im trying this and it's not working for me.

Really, Im feeling even worse.



This is a perfect example of the harm we can do by irresponsibly recommending a "cure" to anyone.

When trying out a POIS treatment, we must be extremely careful.

Because we are all different!

Please: any POIS medical treatment here should be CUSTOM tailored to YOUR BODY and YOUR medical history, and should be done under a good doctor's supervision!

Example: my own very successful POIS treatment could be a disaster for the "wrong" person, i.e., someone else.


And regarding your doctor, POISers need better-than-average help, because the condition is so unknown - and complex.

So find a better-than-average physician or medical practitioner to help you with your POIS!
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« Reply #16245 on: 26/04/2012 21:49:43 »
mellivora, thanks again for those VERY inspirational words!

I would like to add some emphasis to your point about our "paving the way" for the future with NORD's grant:

Once we do this intiial POIS research with NORD, we will then be able to capture the world's medical attention - AND MONEY - for more and bigger research on POIS!

But until we do this first $33,500 phase, there is very little help for us out there! (Sorry to report!)

SO LET'S JUST DO IT!

ASAP!
PLEASE!!
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #16246 on: 26/04/2012 22:33:23 »
Thank you for your warm welcome, demografx.

I have just purchased niacin, but I do not know when I should consume the tablets . Can someone please give me advice?


Greengrass

I have found best results from 50-100mg of Niacin (not the 'No-flush' variety). I take this about an hour or 2 before an orgasm on an empty stomach - important as a flush doesnt happen on full stomach. the flush can be alraming to look at on the first occasion - red blotches. I have found that taking the Niacin too long before the O doesnt work, taking it afterwards made me feel really quite bad - enhanced POIS!

There is info on the web about potential liver damage from Niacin usage long-term so be aware of this. I would start with the smaller dosage.

Good luck and hope it is of benefit!
 

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« Reply #16247 on: 26/04/2012 23:00:13 »

I would like to make a request on this forum: If you advertise that something cures you and then realize that your improvement was unrelated to your 'cure' and that you didnt 'cure' anything, please admit to the group that you were wrong.  This is a scientific forum, and your successes and failures should be equally documented.


Excellent, B_Daniel! Let's all please heed this and keep in mind to not only be extremely considerate with our regular/posting forum members, but also the majority of "silent" readers who do not post, but simply read our words and look to us for POIS guidance!

We have a big responsibility here to not lead our fellow POISers astray with our understandable early optimism!

« Last Edit: 27/04/2012 17:12:48 by demografx »
 

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« Reply #16248 on: 27/04/2012 00:25:40 »

Im trying this and it's not working for me. Really, Im feeling even worst. I have a little diarreia every morning and I'm with headache.... I have a improve in my sleep because I use salt before sleep and it gives me a better sleep. But, at the first, I'm feeling worst than before the treatment... Oh, I had a problem too... Im not using sea salt, but I different kind of one... I will search one sea salt too see if have differences.

I will try for mere a couple weeks too see if works...

Someone more have tried this treatment? It works?
How much vitamin C are you taking? The UL is about 2g /day and feelings of nausea are uncommon below 4g / day. I take 2 to 2.5g / day.
Sometimes breaking up one of the tablets into halves and taking them through the day is better than taking them all in one go. A lot easier on your stomach.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #16249 on: 27/04/2012 08:34:17 »
Hi leo17

Yes if I do any thing like playing then some symptoms will appear but less than that which comes with O. or Ma.
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