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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1700 on: 25/10/2008 01:52:19 »
SEARCH POIS FORUM WITH GOOGLE!

I just stumbled on this. As many of you know, the TNS Search is a work in progress. Can be frustrating.

So I searched Google to see how to better Google-search our POIS Forum. Why? Because we have an overwhelming amount of data: nearly 2 years' worth of posts from 130+ Forum members!

I think I found the way.

In the Google search box, type
whatever you're interested in finding[space] site:http://www.thenakedscientists.com/

for example, I tried
demografx site:http://www.thenakedscientists.com/

and 1,000+ results came up for "demografx" within POIS Forum!

whenever I tried to use Google "as is" - without the way I described above - I would typically find only about two (2) results!

Google even provides you results with the Message# for each result.

Happy Googling, everyone!
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1701 on: 25/10/2008 05:31:42 »



fenugreek
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1702 on: 25/10/2008 08:06:46 »
Nice toon!  I'll take some of that.

I stopped at vitamin cottage earlier and picked up a bottle fenugreek ($5) and relora ($20) vitamin cottage brand.  I'm going to experiement with relora first and will post my results.  I'll start by taking relora for a few days before ejaculation to ensure the herb is absorbed thoroughly into my system.

I must admit, this forum warmly feels like a support group - I'm liking it!
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1703 on: 25/10/2008 13:45:39 »

Glad to hear that Fenugreek is helping other people here, nice to hear about your successes Shahnameh, Longwalkhome and John21! The brand I am using is Solgar Fenugreek, looking on the back of the bottle it says it contains "Raw Fenugreek Powder - 370mg" and "Fenugreek Seed Powdered Extract (4:1) - 150mg" in each capsule.

With regards to dosage, I think its going to be a while before the optimal dosages are established for Fenugreek. I started off by taking quite a lot of fenugreek, but this can probably be scaled down.



 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1704 on: 25/10/2008 15:44:08 »
I must admit, this forum warmly feels like a support group - I'm liking it!

Great to hear, Limejuice! POISoned people need all the support they can get!
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1705 on: 25/10/2008 16:35:26 »


Dr. Dave Schweitzer, co-author of original 2002 POIS Study with Dr. Marcel Waldinger, since 1994 internist-endocrinologist in Reinier de Graaf Groep, Netherlands. His interest is mainly in hormonal diseases and diseases of the metabolism. He does research on the endocrinology of sexuality and seriously overweight. His work is published in international journals.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1706 on: 25/10/2008 16:52:44 »



Dr. Marcel Waldinger, neuropsychiatrist, Primary Investigator and author of classic 2002 POIS Study. He has been in communication with our POIS Forum here at The Naked Scientists. For a copy of his POIS study, send a private message to me with your email address and I will send you a copy.

Marcel D. Waldinger, MD, PhD is neuropsychiatrist and head of the Department of Consultative Psychiatry and the outpatient Department of Neurosexology at Leyenburg Hospital in The Hague in The Netherlands.

He is Associate Professor in Sexual Psychopharmacology at the Faculty of Pharmaceutical Sciences of the University of Utrecht in The Netherlands.

Since 1992 Dr. Waldinger treats and investigates premature ejaculation (ejaculatio praecox) and other ejaculatory problems. In 1997 he received his PhD on this subject.

His renewing ideas and studies have been published in various scientific journals and daily newspapers.

The outpatient Department of Neurosexology of the Leyenburg Hospital in The Hague has been the most specialized outpatient clinic for the treatment of premature ejaculation in the Netherlands and Europe for the last 15 years.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1707 on: 25/10/2008 19:19:57 »
Solgar Fenugreek - thanks Hurray. Since it seems to be working well for you, I'll try it out. Since we will be taking the same brand I can compare your experience to mine and not wonder if your brand has a different potency - a variable that might effect it working for some people, and not for others.

I'll pick up the Solgar Fenugreek at the "Vitamin Shop". I think I'll start out with 1 capsule 3 times a day and then maybe bump it up after orgasm if need be depending on POIS symptoms. It will take me sometime to determine optimal dosage for my self and if it is effective for me. I'll keep ya'll posted on my progress.

(review contraindications for the use of fenugreek if you decided to take it. Diabeties...pregnancy...ect)
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1708 on: 25/10/2008 21:32:03 »
I'll keep ya'll posted on my progress.

Thanks, Chewbacca!
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1709 on: 25/10/2008 21:56:57 »
So here is a diagram on thyroid function, from the Holtorf Medical Group.
It deals with the hard to diagnose thyroid cases, where there is poor T4 to T3 conversion.
That's what I have.



I just want to remind anyone who gets blood tests to check their thyroid that the most important
tests to get are the Free T3 and Free T4 with a TSH.
  The Free T3 and Free T4 levels represent
the active hormones circulating in the blood. "The traditional tests of thyroid function, the T4 (or
total T4), T3-uptake, FTI, 'T7', total T3, and T3-by-RIA tests should be abandoned because they are
unreliable as gauges of thyroid function."
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1710 on: 26/10/2008 01:48:53 »
Shahnameh, would you kindly describe your Fenugreek protocol? Timing, dose, and any other consideration. Thank you!

I haven't been adhering to a strict Fenugreek schedule. Generally, I'll pop two Fenugreek pills once or twice a day. I start taking the pills on the day of the orgasm, before the orgasm if it was in the day's plan - these things tend not to confine themselves to a schedule, though.  Nature's Way makes the Fenugreek that I take. Each of my doses, two pills, contains 1.22g of the Fenugreek seed.

I've got a couple questions that'll help me tweak my Fenugreek routine. I plan on doing some experimentation. If anyone can answer either of these questions with information from personal experience, please share. I'll do the same.
1. How long before an orgasm do I need to start taking the Fenugreek pills in order to eliminate all POIS symptoms?
2. How long after an orgasm do I need to continue to take the pills? If I feel normal, can I stop taking the pills, or will my body lapse back into POIS mode if I stop?
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1711 on: 26/10/2008 02:07:34 »
Most tablets should get to work 25-35 minutes after you take them, so an hour before starting sexual activity would give you plenty of leeway. I have also been taking them after orgasm, and following up with a high protein meal (which was the only thing that made a difference before Fenugreek).

It may be that you can stop taking Fenugreek after the post-orgasm dose, although I have continued to take them every day since I started using them, as I find their effect on my sociability very helpful!

Some experimentation will need to be done before we find the optimal doses and times - this is pretty much unknown territory! - any information you can discover will be greatly appreciated Shahnameh :)
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1712 on: 26/10/2008 16:53:36 »
RE: OXYTOCIN--FLASHBACK TO THIS FORUM'S PAGE 31 and 36...

A long ways back now, on our forum, there was a woman sexual researcher with the acronym REUNITING,
who posted some of her thoughts about how prevalent she believed POIS symptoms to be... She also added
her ideas about how to remedy this with a different style of love-making. Do any of you remember this?
On page 31 she wrote about "a way to make love, and release all sexual tension, without orgasm..... The
emphasis is on generous affection."
  And on bonding deeply with your partner. (the key word: bonding)

From what I've recently read online, oxytocin has been coined to be the "CUDDLE CHEMICAL," (it is released
by women during childbirth and breast feeding, and helps them to bond deeply with their newborn infant).
It is also released during orgasm.  "Plasma oxytocin shoots up and drops within minutes at orgasm."

For those of you who really enjoy reading scientific research: please check out this link to the Post-coital
Hangover page of Reuniting--Healing with Sexual Relationships. It has TONS of information on many of the
bio-chemical reactions that happen during and after sex.
  (I found it on our forum's page 36.)
It includes a lot of research on prolactin, oxytocin, testosterone, etc...

http://www.reuniting.info/science/research/sexual_hangover

Maybe somebody could figure out the dynamics of the fenugreek--oxytocin--POIS connection.


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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1713 on: 26/10/2008 19:59:24 »
Girlwind, thanks again. I wonder if it's not too late to somehow have the thyroid tests done from my October 20 standard testing (kidney, hemoglobin, PSA, etc.)?

I only have so much blood to give! ;D
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1714 on: 26/10/2008 20:04:37 »
Amazing developments!  B_Jim, I hadn't commented on a link between hyperglycemia and oxytocin, although if there is such a link this is interesting.  The symptoms of POIS, in many regards, resemble the symptoms of glucose intolerance. And many of us, including myself seem to be helped with a low-sugar diet.  And I do get similar symptoms to POIS when I have high concentrations of sugar..

I think it would be worth getting a glucose tolerance test.  But we should keep in mind this only tests blood sugar, and there is more than that to consider when thinking about how POIS and sugar intake may be related.


I am going to try to summarize the recent developments in a letter.  However, I don't have time to carefully read all the posts at present.  Could someone explain the possible link between Levitra and Oxytocin, and Relora and POIS?  Also, any questions for a physician?  Any new ideas/theories about this problem?
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1715 on: 26/10/2008 20:08:47 »
Just some thought that may be useful:

According to wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxytocin), under certain circumstances, cortisol can be inhibited by oxytocin.  So it is possible that we have some form of orgasm-induced oxytocin deficiency which causes cortisol levels to become too high.  A possible explanation for Fenugreek and Relora seems straight forward: Fenugreek boosts oxytocin, which inhibits cortisol, and Relora lowers cortisol which may allow oxytocin levels to increase.

 
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1716 on: 26/10/2008 21:01:31 »
RE: Blood Sugar   I know from many years of experience that eating a high protein
diet with slow-acting or low-glycemic carbs helps to keep insulin levels low and has a
stabilizing effect not only on blood sugar, but also on the entire hormone sysytem--
particularly the adrenals.  After going through my nutrition books, I just found a good
explanation for it:

"Hormones and other hormonelike chemical messengers in the body, such as neuro-
transmitters and prostaglandins, actually ARE PROTEINS.... Our skin, hair, nails, muscles,
hormones, metabolic enzymes, and neurotransmitters are ALL COMPOSED of some of
the more than fifty thousand PROTEINS that the body makes use of." This is why proteins
are called the "building blocks of life--because the body uses them to repair and
rebuild its tissues and organs."


"Proteins, like fats, have a stabilizing effect on blood sugar, producing steady, long-term
energy instead of a short burst and quick let-down... Proteins also stimulate the secretion
by the pancreas of the hormones glucagon, which works in opposition to insulin. What in-
sulin stores in body fat, glucagon puts back into the bloodstream for use as fuel."


Source: Ann Louise Gittleman
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1717 on: 26/10/2008 22:05:16 »
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1718 on: 26/10/2008 23:13:33 »
The reuniting sex website is awesome. I actually stumbled upon it before I found this forum. What I find most interesting is the "post coital hangover" girlwind and the article speak of. It very much sounds like POIS, but in much more mild form. According to the article the post coatial hangover is linked with high prolactin and low dopamine levels. Remember the "dopamine hypothesis" put forward by some members?

Another interesting thing is that on that website they correlated the neurophysiology of orgasm, to opiate and drug use. They talk about how chronic opiate users have abnormally high amounts of prolactin and low dopamine.

Humm...I wonder what effect oxytocin has on prolactin and dopamine. I might just venture a guess and say that maybe oxytocin decreases prolactine, and increases dopamine. what do you think?

I might also venture a guess and say that stress hormones mess up the bodies oxytocin producing capabilities. So just say "I" if you have had a hard life(lots of stress hormone), suffered from long term illnesses(lots of stress hormone), or were ever addicted to orgasms(possible neurological comparisions with long term opiate users... high prolactin, low dopamine.)- "I"

I also wonder how glycemia fits into the picture?
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1719 on: 27/10/2008 03:21:55 »
I bought the Relora from Swanson Health for 7 dollars. 

Here is the link http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWU148/ItemDetail?n=4294967189 [nofollow]

Relora is still working great for me.  Just a thought:  I used to be addicted to masturbation.  That could have been a cause, I am not sure.  But the point is that now, with the ability to feel fine after orgasm, I need to be in control of my desires.  Therefore I recommend that when you start taking Relora or Fenugreek you should also change you habits.  Being a single young man, that is hard.  But church helps alot!

I hope everyone can feel just fine after orgasm too!
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1720 on: 27/10/2008 18:13:56 »
Relora results: Reduction in symptoms (approximate amount 50%)

I began taking Relora Friday and released Saturday(released twice to ensure no placebo effect).  The results were that all symptoms were reduced such as brain fog, social anxiety, and concentration; however, sleep issues and libido still remain.

I will test once again this week after full recovery.

After that I will try the fenugreek.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1721 on: 27/10/2008 18:52:19 »
We have never been so close of the truth. I would like to know if dr Waldinger followed the evolution of glycemia when he examined the two cases.

"And I do get similar symptoms to POIS when I have high concentrations of sugar.."
 :) Defintly.

So, after orgasm we can't controle glycemia ?

B_Jim, I searched Dr. Waldinger's paper for glycemia, hypoglycemia and hyperglycemia and found no results [:-'(]
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1722 on: 27/10/2008 18:56:25 »
...released twice to ensure no placebo effect...

all in the name of science! ;D

Thanks much for posting, Limejuice!
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1723 on: 27/10/2008 19:52:52 »
Relora is still working great for me.

Very encouraging, Tarkington. Thanks for posting!
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1724 on: 27/10/2008 20:41:59 »
Thanks Limejuice for testing Relora.  How many times per day do you take Relora?
 

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