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« Reply #17775 on: 21/02/2013 19:35:34 »
Yes, Octave is pretty good as a MATLAB replacement.

In your current routine, the blueberry extract is a replacement for Ginkgo Biloba extract, right?

What's your daily dosage? any special dose before/after an O?

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« Reply #17776 on: 21/02/2013 19:53:50 »
Yes, Octave is pretty good as a MATLAB replacement.

In your current routine, the blueberry extract is a replacement for Ginkgo Biloba extract, right?

What's your daily dosage? any special dose before/after an O?

Thanks!

Yes, that's a good point. I believe that both blueberries and ginkgo can reduce inflammation. I like ginkgo but it sometimes makes me itchy whereas blueberries or pterostilbene (there's a patented extract in some supplements) seem to reduce POIS and I haven't noticed any side effects.
 

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« Reply #17777 on: 22/02/2013 01:25:40 »
Nightingale,

I am not completely out of the woods yet.. The recipe is quite complex, so if I forget one or two ingredient, I sometimes still get some POIS symptoms, but for 12-18 hrs only, as opposed to 4-5 days before.

Your COMT, VDR and MAO A profile is almost completely opposite from mine. so I guess your are more of the over-methylation type. Maybe taking Niacin before and after an O will help to mop up extra methyl and lessen the crash?

I do think there are several sub-types of POIS. maybe there is a over-methylation type, where too much dopamine was generated. Dopamine response curve is U-shaped. too much DA does degrade cognitive and may also causes dopamine receptor to down-regulate, and causes a hang-over for 4-5 days after..

Dopamine is an especially interesting part of this for me.  I have yet to find someone else to responds this way when they have 2 O's in a close timespan, especialy under 2 hours: The second O is harder to achieve, but it's intensity is FAR greater, both in POIS symptoms AND in pleasure.  I'm sure you know dopamine surges for an O.  It's like taking a illicit drug that leaves me senseless.  I often will lie there in what feels like a semi-coma.  It can be hard to move my self, as it's like I'm half-paralyzed.  It seems similar to what sufferers of cataplexy (sleep paralysis) experience, but I'm able to move with sustained effort.  Some mornings after when I was depressed and O'd more then once a day, it would take me 15 minutes longer to get out of bed because of the paralysis state.  I wonder how much histamine was surging through my system at those times...

I'm having Phe, ammonia, Heavy metals, and maybe sulfur levels tested this weekend.  I'm especially curious about ammonia, since after eating meat lately I'm getting this wave of brainfog and loss of concentration.

I have such days of low-functioning, I can't even learn how to make the next choice in my treatment.  I would love to complete my IT degree and finish my bachelors some day soon!

EDIT: I wonder, too, if my having to take 1.5g of niacin to achieve a flush now has something to do with an excess of methyl?  My first times trying niacin didn't require nearly as much, but early on I noticed I needed about 200mg to get a real flush were most were needing 100-150mg.  It quickly climbed to where I had to buy 500mg niacin tablets.  Actually, my flush isn't very strong anymore and I'm getting less reduction in symptoms, I might bump it up to 2g soon.
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« Reply #17778 on: 22/02/2013 06:22:53 »
I'm having Phe, ammonia, Heavy metals, and maybe sulfur levels tested this weekend.  I'm especially curious about ammonia, since after eating meat lately I'm getting this wave of brainfog and loss of concentration.

EDIT: I wonder, too, if my having to take 1.5g of niacin to achieve a flush now has something to do with an excess of methyl?  My first times trying niacin didn't require nearly as much, but early on I noticed I needed about 200mg to get a real flush were most were needing 100-150mg.  It quickly climbed to where I had to buy 500mg niacin tablets.  Actually, my flush isn't very strong anymore and I'm getting less reduction in symptoms, I might bump it up to 2g soon.

I need to take back what I said on Niacin for the following reasons:
1.Assuming you are over-methylated, your histamine will be easily disposed (metabolized) any time. Since you do not  suffer from high histamine, the causes of your POIS is likely to be different from Kurtosis and me.
2.Most people who are over-methylators suffer from insomina, anxiety. Niacin helps on those problems. But you don't have insomnia/anxiety symptoms, so I suppose Niacin will not help.
3.too much Niacin (1.5g is on the very high end) adds a lot of burden on your liver.

Your dopamine response is interesting. Do you experience high frustration and aggression,  or just low-tempo brain fog?

more test results, I think, are always better. What medicine/supplement are you taking daily?
 

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« Reply #17779 on: 22/02/2013 06:27:07 »
Yes, that's a good point. I believe that both blueberries and ginkgo can reduce inflammation. I like ginkgo but it sometimes makes me itchy whereas blueberries or pterostilbene (there's a patented extract in some supplements) seem to reduce POIS and I haven't noticed any side effects.

Yeah. ginkgo has so many different chemicals in it. variation from brand to brand can be huge. There is one brand causing diarrhea on me every single time. I will give blueberries and pterostilbene a try.
 

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« Reply #17780 on: 22/02/2013 17:05:32 »
Nightingale, I wonder if your niacin might have lost some of its potency. I let mine sit in the closed bottle for a few months and needed 500mg or 600mg to get a flush instead of my usual 200mg even though I've only taken niacin maybe 7 or 8 times total.

I've wrapped the bottle in plastic now, but I haven't tried any yet to see if it lost more potency.
 

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« Reply #17781 on: 22/02/2013 17:26:06 »
Niacin may increase prostaglandin release which may reduce inflammation (depends which prostaglandin is released). PGE1 and Histamine levels appear correlated. PGD2 may block histamine. I read a few papers about this in the past.  We had a long discussion about this over on poiscenter. I'm not sure it's as simple as under methylation or over methylation as there are interacting genetics here.

When I saw MTHFR a1298c on my own test I thought "I need more mb12" and deciding to increase that has been a good idea so far but it's not like I carefully measured what I was taking.

As for histamine levels, well I don't know if the orthomolecular psychiatrists' description of "histadelia" isn't too simplistic but I remember Nightingale saying the descriptions he read online seemed very similar to what he was experiencing. Of course their description of high and low histamine levels are confusing as there are similarities between the 2 and without an assay of tissue histamine levels it would seem nigh on impossible for someone to figure out which category you fell into. And it's a rough theory, with several flaws. I don't think it's fair to write it off completely however as genetic testing may show increasing relevance of methylation mutations to mast cell stability. i.e. the BH4 connection.
 

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« Reply #17782 on: 23/02/2013 04:46:33 »
Wanted to give everyone an update on my current status.  So this update will be in 2 parts. 
Part 1:
First off, i sent Herman the blood tests he asked for.  He pointed out that my RT3 was high and my RT3 ratio low.  He also said my potassium was low, TSH high, and adrenals were low.  I was skeptical because I fell within the range on all these items.  But I spent time researching  what he said and he was right.  My RT3 ratio of 10 indicated that I'm hypothyroid.  My low cortisol indicate that I have an adrenal problem.  My TSH of 2.5 is on the high end of what some doctors believe the range should be.  So maybe I have an adrenal and thyroid problem??  I reached out to the woman, Valerie, who runs adrenalsweb.org and sent her my labs.  She agreed that I have low adrenals and am hypothyroid and that this could completely explain my fatigue, anxiety and brainfog.  I then figured that I COULD order hydrocortisone for my adrenals and T3 for my thyroid over online sites, and self medicate myself.  But, if I truly have a thyroid and adrenal problem that shows up in my blood tests, why don't I go to an endocrinologist and be treated the right way.  For one, hydrocortisone and T3 are hormones, and once you go on them you may always need them.  So nothing I wanted to mess around with.  I knew it'd be difficult to find a good Endo, but I wanted to try.  I had my dad send my blood work to one doctor he knew, who told me i was completely fine.  My GF, a medical resident at a top school, emailed the chief endo who is world reknown.  She sent him my cortisol and my labs and this note:

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Dear Dr. XXXX, (took out the name)
Have an interesting question for you about rT3 ratios (of which I'm unfamiliar with).  In general, is there any data to support the use of the T3/rT3 ratio in diagnosing hypo/hyperthyroidism?  I've done a brief lit search and haven't found much about it.

The reason I ask is that I've come across a case of a young adult man who reports low energy, constant fatigue, and most notably the inability to think clearly that he describes as "brain fog" impairing his ability to function normally.  These symptoms occur nearly daily.  He's been to several physicians who have done an extensive evaluation that has returned, unsurprisingly, normal (I've attached his thyroid studies, etc.).  However, he has done his own online research and has asked me to investigate whether or not there is any truth to the rT3 ratio.

 He also had his cortisol measures done using a home test kit with a 9AM cortisol of 4.6 (I've attached his graph compared to their controls).

Any thoughts?  Thanks for your time. 
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He e-mailed back a very thoughtful response....
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I am not aware of any scientific data indicating that the T3/rT3 is useful clinically. rT3 increases when the deiodinases that convert T4 to T3 are decreased by starvation and illness. One can then see an increase in rT3 and a decrease in T3 during illness. As you know TSH levels are the most accurate method for determining thyroid function as long as there is not pituitary/hypothalamic abnormalities. There is information on the WEB pushing the concept that rT3 inhibits the action of T3 by binding to the thyroid hormone receptor. If you want to read some fiction you can go to the following site

http://thyroid-rt3.com/canyou.htm

There are also WEB sites devoted to "adrenal fatigue". Again there is no scientific evidence for this syndrome. If you want to read even more fiction you can go to the following WEB site

http://www.adrenalfatigue.org/

 
I try to encourage my patients to to only use well recognized sites when they are reading about diseases on the WEB. There is an enormous amount of junk out there. One of the endocrine fellows a few years ago gave a talk on the endocrine myths on the WEB.

I hope this addresses your questions. If you need more information or have additional questions let me know.
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While it's convenient for me to say, he doesn't know what he's talking about but Valerie the webmaster at adrenalsweb.org does -that's tough for me to buy in to.  I'm beginning to side somewhat towards these doctors in that... I bet a lot of people with similar lab readings to me are perfectly perfectly fine.  However, given my symptoms, maybe the slight abnormalities in my readings should be given more scrutiny than you would give someone who feels fine.  Based on this, is it worth the risk of trying these hormones without medical supervision?  One of my doctors may even help me try it.  But do I want to go down that path yet?  I've decided I still have other ideas to test before I do anything extreme like that.  The next idea I'm going to include in the next post...
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« Reply #17783 on: 23/02/2013 05:24:10 »
Part 2:

I still think there's something to Herman's mineral imbalance theory.  I've done a good amount of reading about it.  It basically stems from work that Dr. Paul Eck did many years back that mineral imbalances can lead to a wide range of problems.  The main imbalance is copper toxicity, which can cause fatigue, brainfog, and anxiety.  Herman claims that fixing his copper toxicity has cured him.  If you google copper toxicity, you can find a lot of accounts of people who claim to have gotten better from it.  There was a guy on this site this last month who claimed that he found that his pois was nothing more than pyroluria and that b6 and zinc cured him.  Zinc and B6 are copper antagonists.  So maybe there's a connection there with his success story too.

So to get a hair test, you basically find a hair mineral analysis specialist on dr. wilson's website http://drlwilson.com/do%20hair%20analysis.htm   For $125-$250 bucks (depending upon who you use), you can get your hair sample analyzed.  The main minerals tested are magnesium, calcium, potassium, and sodium.  If those are off, you know you have a copper isssue.  Directly testing copper isn't very reliable.  The practitioner I'm using isn't on dr. wilson's approved list.  her name is theresa vernon   http://www.tvernonlac.com/.  I contacted her to ask about copper toxicity and ended up having a 30min telephone call with her and feel very good about her vs the other ppl on dr. wilsons site.  theresa is more expensive ($200), but she's been practicing a long time and seems very knowledgeable.  i asked her why hair analysis, why can't she look at my blood tests.  Her response was that our bodies need our blood to be in good shape bc blood is our lifeline.  Since our bodies are very efficient, they are able to sacrifice the organs and whatnot in order to keep our blood healthy.  She says problems with the blood only show up when your body is in life threatening or extremely bad conditions.  So this is why they do the hair test instead.  So all that seemed to make a bit of sense to me so I sent my hair sample in and am starting to go down this path (haven't gotten it back yet). 

The negative:
If I'm looking for an approach that's recognized in the medical community, this is not it.  The one person who's written a book on copper toxicity, dr. ann louise gittleman, got her nutritional doctorate from some hocus pocus college.  If you search the web, there's very little info on the biochemistry behind the hair mineral analysis test and all of dr. wilson's stuff.  The only explanation for that is that if Wilson released all the info on how this stuff works, then he couldn't make money charging people for instructions on what to do.  So that REALLY annoys me and smells of a scam.   i told my GF about Theresa Vernon's quote about the body sacrificing itself to save the blood, and she laughed and laughed and laughed until she started tearing up, then she laughed some more. 

So is this complete Bullshit?  Herman seems to feel very positively about all of it.  Plus, another positive indicator is that I have been taking B6 and Zinc for the last 3 weeks, per Herman's advice, and my anxiety does seem to be improving - although brainfog hasn't improved much.  I guess more time will tell.

So that's really it.  This process of chelating and dumping copper from my system could take anywhere from 2 months to a few years, depending upon how bad my case is.  I should likely feel better though within a few months.  Still, what's so frustrating about this is that  there's not only no medical evidence surrounding this, but that I have to take this big leap of faith and I won't know for many months if it's working and I can rely upon it.  All that said, the reason I post this, is that I wanted ya'll to be aware of what I'm up to.  Over the last 2 years now, ya'll have seen me feel try different things like B vitamins, Testosterone, Wellbutrin, Sam-E, which have all helped me at least temporarily feel a bit better.  That said, I've never been on anything that has had me feeling anywhere near perfect for more than a couple days.  So IF I experience considerable improvement for a 2 week period, i'll of course let you all know. 

I don't think I've made a great case here for others to try this, but if anyone else wants to call theresa vernon and at least get their hair tested, i personally think it'd be worth a shot.  Would be nice to have more company exploring this path.  So far Nomore2013 is the only one i know doing this as well.     
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« Reply #17784 on: 23/02/2013 06:19:39 »
One last thing. I just want to give my Congratulations to all those who have helped with the nord efforts on pois center.   I dont share some people's extreme optimism with regards to this study, but nevertheless i think every one of us supports research and we should be very proud of this pretty major accomplishment together.
 

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« Reply #17785 on: 23/02/2013 11:46:06 »
Nice update, Daniel. What dosage and form of B6 and zinc are you taking?

 

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« Reply #17786 on: 23/02/2013 13:30:44 »
So to get a hair test, you basically find a hair mineral analysis specialist on dr. wilson's website http://drlwilson.com/do%20hair%20analysis.htm   For $125-$250 bucks (depending upon who you use)

Quote from: Stephen Barrett, M.D.
Commercial Hair Analysis:
A Cardinal Sign of Quackery

... Hair analysis is worthless for assessing the body's nutritional status or serving as a basis for dietary or supplement recommendations. Nor should it be routinely used to screen people for heavy metal toxicity. Should you encounter a practitioner who uses hair analysis for any of these purposes, run for the nearest exit and complain to your state attorney general!
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/hair.html

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 have you seen what "dr. wilson's" IP neighbours are selling ?, this one looks like re-branded holy-water ...

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« Reply #17787 on: 23/02/2013 14:35:28 »
Hi, I posted here a while ago with my jaw problems and their relation to my POIS and wet dreams, here's an update.

What I wish I'd done a few years ago is listen to a friend who suggested that my symptoms suggested sleep apnea.  I thought that was very unlikely as I don't snore much, am thin, young etc.  It turns out that the myth about sleep apnea being mainly for fat old men has long been disproven, with all ages from young children upwards being diagnosed with Obstructive Sleep Apnea  or Upper Airway Resistance Syndrome: both sleep breathing disorders.

So now I've been diagnosed as having least one of the above, and my orthodontist(s) have done what they should have done three years ago and admitted that they can't do anything for me: I need jaw surgery in order to open my airway properly.

I've now tried CPAP (constant positive airway pressure), which gave me a couple of days of feeling amazing with lots of energy and sexuality, just like El Stonio who also reported POIS caused by sleep apnea:

--- Quote from: El Stonio on 02/08/2009 18:39:26 ---
Hello All,
It's been a while since I've been here.  In the past I've had some moderate success with going to a mostly vegan diet etc.  Buy recently I had a sleep study done and found I had sleep apnea.  Last week I started wearing a TAP, an oral appliance that prevents your tongue from closing off air to your lungs.  Guess what?  My symptoms of POIS are gone, no exaggerating.  (I've been testing, haha.  I had sex Friday and Saturday nite and this Sunday morning jogged/hiked 10 miles.)  In the past I'd be flat on my back craving carbs, feeling depressed and sick.  This may not be everybody's solution but I urge anyone who hasnt had a sleep study to DO IT!  I tried the CPAP but that was so intrusive I laughed it off.  The TAP is aggreeable with me.  Good luck everyone.  Keep searching. Your bodies if they get the right stuff, will work correctly.  I just may get to start dating again  ::) 
El Stonio


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This didn't last long with my body becoming increasingly intolerant of the air being pushed up my nose at night.  The great feelings went away, as did my libido, but I continued to have no wet dreams while on CPAP which was amazing.  I'm finally totally off it cos I just can't tolerate it anymore and am waiting for an appointment to see a sleep doc about trying a more sophisticated machine like Bi-PAP.

Here's one of the many links to articles about testosterone, sex and sleep apea on google.

newbielink:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-michael-j-breus/testosterone-sleep-sexual-health_b_981121.html [nonactive]

So yeah, those who suffer from CFS, insomnia, decreased libido, ED, morning headaches, morning fatigue, GERD, morning IBS/diarrhea, TMJ etc are prime candidates for OSA/UARS.

Dr Steven Park, who is one of the foremost clinicians in this area, goes into some depth on the issue here.

newbielink:http://doctorstevenpark.com/tired-of-being-tired-%E2%80%94-the-upper-airway-resistance-syndrome [nonactive]

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« Reply #17788 on: 23/02/2013 16:44:37 »
My sleep study showed I was generating a lot of mucus but I couldn't tolerate the CPAP machine.
N-Acetyl Cysteine is a mucolytic and is a precursor for glutathione. Glutathione is an anti-oxidant, a tripeptide and is used in a number of detox reactions in the body. It's useful stuff! Alpha Lipoic Acid can help recycle glutathione. Its synthesis from cysteine uses ATP (basically, that's cellular energy) and the reduction (adding an electron) of oxidised glutathione uses NADPH. (All these things are connected of course).

I've found that a modest amount of supplementary N-Acetyl Cysteine is helpful at helping me breath more easily and is less expensive and hassle than the CPAP machine.
It appears to increase the effectiveness of b vitamins and gives me more energy. The wikipedia article on it is interesting.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetylcysteine
 

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« Reply #17789 on: 24/02/2013 04:45:13 »
Yes, that's a good point. I believe that both blueberries and ginkgo can reduce inflammation. I like ginkgo but it sometimes makes me itchy whereas blueberries or pterostilbene (there's a patented extract in some supplements) seem to reduce POIS and I haven't noticed any side effects.
Kurtosis, both blueberries and ginkgo have been good for me. I find blueberries are not as good for me as they used to be when I was younger though...even the organic ones. Ginko is expensive these days (I buy it in liquid tonic form).
The only other food that stands out as a tonic food for me in regards to pois is liver. I take lambs liver not beef or chicken. Have you eaten lambs fry much before?
 

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« Reply #17790 on: 24/02/2013 04:59:59 »
Kurtosis I have not had any gene testing done yet, and I have been trying to 2nd guess things on the Methylation cycle with different supplements and its not easy. I feel worse on many things.
If you get time maybe you can do this test...
http://personalitycafe.com/personality-test-resources/7688-how-chemically-balanced-your-brain.html
I am GABA dominant but I am high deficient in dopamine and acetylchloline (how much I abstained from having Os would influence my answers on this test for sure from past experience). When I first got pois, I would doubt I was GABA dominant because I had strong motivation and so stressed and anxious most of the time.
 

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« Reply #17791 on: 24/02/2013 09:55:52 »
Hi Aconym,
OK, interesting test. I'm dopamine dominant but have signs of deficiency in acetylcholine and some deficiency in GABA. However, when "POIS" is worst I'd feel symptoms of dopamine deficiency as defined by the test. Perhaps that's why POIS has been so obvious cognitively to me. Its effect is in direct opposition to how I am "out of POIS".
However, I'm not sure any of us are ever truly out of POIS.

I've also found that eating liver is good and increases energy.  Do you know that liver was used as the original treatment for pernicious anemia. The wikipedia entry describes how George Whipple identified the illness and attempted to treat it with raw liver.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pernicious_anemia
 

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« Reply #17792 on: 24/02/2013 09:56:32 »
And NO this is not an encouragement for anybody to eat raw liver (before someone suggests it :))
 

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« Reply #17793 on: 24/02/2013 16:23:21 »
Hi, 

Good news to everyone,  after continuous failure in my attempt,  i finally find the cause for my POIS.  It is excess amount of Estrogen in the body.  Average range of Estrogen in male is 10 to 40 pg/ml whereas my findings is 54.44 leading to excess estrogen in the body.  Further I have low testerstone levels (not deficient).  This abonormal hormone levels in the body causes POIS for me.  Now the next target is to balance between the same i.e. reduce the estrogen and increase the testertone. 

Further, Demo is cured by taking TRT that means high Testertone low estrogen.  this theory also works out here. 

 

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« Reply #17794 on: 24/02/2013 20:35:59 »
I hope it does work...
we are waiting you for more
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« Reply #17795 on: 24/02/2013 20:37:58 »
I hope it works too.  The unfortunate question which I propose is whether your Low T/ High E is the cause or pois or another one of its nasty symptoms.  I took T and it helped me for a very short period of time, then stopped helping.  Perhaps the T/E plays more of a primary role in your pois so it certainly could work.  Keep us posted
 

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« Reply #17796 on: 24/02/2013 20:45:45 »
Nice update, Daniel. What dosage and form of B6 and zinc are you taking?

50mg of zinc and an active b50 complex - both 3x a day.  As evidenced by Demo's Testosterone helping him but not others, niacin helping some but not all, Kurtosis' methylation helping some but not others - i think there are multiple cases of pois - and i don't advise anyone do the zinc and B6 thing without working with herman.  That quackwatch article that Neilep posted provided pretty convincing evidence against hair testing and what I'm doing.  maybe ya'll are better off waiting a couple months and getting a more definitive account from me before going down this path.
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« Reply #17797 on: 24/02/2013 21:09:06 »
That quackwatch article that Neilep posted provided pretty convincing evidence against hair testing ...

Not Neilep, just "Neilep level Member" ... http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg405684#msg405684
 

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« Reply #17798 on: 24/02/2013 22:04:39 »
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #17799 on: 25/02/2013 01:06:00 »
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Kurtosis' methylation helping some hurting others
Who did it hurt?


My thought was just that some people are over-methylators. Ive edited my original statement bc youre right, didnt/ wouldnt hurt anyone.   and it helped me, thats for sure. Just trying to make the point that we're not all the same
« Last Edit: 25/02/2013 15:36:42 by B_Daniel »
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
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