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« Reply #17850 on: 03/03/2013 06:03:53 »
Hi, I made some reasearch on Copper Toxicity theory as explained by the Herman.  It means accumulation of excess copper in the tissues of the body such as liver, brain, other tissues.  This condition is due to some gene is called as Wilsons disease.  further there is a chance of accumulation by its own not having its gene. 

Diagnosis for this condition is 24 hours urine copper test.  However this test is not accurate.  the best test for this is Hair Tissue Mineral Analysis.   Has some one has done this test.  If yes what is the results
 

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« Reply #17851 on: 03/03/2013 10:15:19 »
Update on my status:

I agreed the Herman Copper toxicity theory and about to start the vitamins and minerals that he is suggested and consulted my doctor.  My doctor also quite impressed by his theory and he suggested me to undergone, Hair Tissue Mineral Analysis.  He told that it is the most accurate test to determine imbalance in minerals in the body tissues.  I ordered this Test and gave my sample hair.  It will take around one month for the report in our area. 

I also advised each and every one to do this analysis before starting any vitamin & mineral supplements. 


Hi Nathan,
What country are you from?

From India. May I know the reason for asked.


It's just that some of the treatments that you mention are quite exotic. For instance gold is an Ayurvedic treatment, as you know.  They wouldn't be the norm in Ireland or the UK even if someone presented with a strange illness.
That is why I asked but I remember you told us you were from India before so apologies for asking again.
 

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« Reply #17852 on: 03/03/2013 10:43:36 »
By the way, here's a paper about flunarizine/sibelium. Not everyone suffers from weight gain and in some it may be as a result of normalised appetite.

http://sibelium.kydev.net/sibelium/WX/fulltext_WX3/1/Flunarizine,%20a%20Calcium%20Channel%20Blocker%20a%20New%20Prophylactic%20Drug%20in%20Migraine.pdf

I don't think that other POIS sufferers should necessarily write off this drug because they're afraid of huge weight gains :) My doctor suggested getting more exercise when trying ketotifen for instance as it's a known effect of this drug. You sometimes see comments on weightlifting forums about people using it to reduce inflammation while stimulating appetite.
 

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« Reply #17853 on: 03/03/2013 13:39:14 »
Update on my status:

I agreed the Herman Copper toxicity theory and about to start the vitamins and minerals that he is suggested and consulted my doctor.  My doctor also quite impressed by his theory and he suggested me to undergone, Hair Tissue Mineral Analysis.  He told that it is the most accurate test to determine imbalance in minerals in the body tissues.  I ordered this Test and gave my sample hair.  It will take around one month for the report in our area. 

I also advised each and every one to do this analysis before starting any vitamin & mineral supplements. 


Hi Nathan,
What country are you from?

From India. May I know the reason for asked.


It's just that some of the treatments that you mention are quite exotic. For instance gold is an Ayurvedic treatment, as you know.  They wouldn't be the norm in Ireland or the UK even if someone presented with a strange illness.
That is why I asked but I remember you told us you were from India before so apologies for asking again.


You are right, I am finding many exotic treatment to cure my POIS and to give solution to all.  It has been my daily routine basis to find out POIS treatments, experiments and one day I am sure that I will succeed in it.  Another interesting fact to reduce POIS symtoms by way of Apple Cider Vinegar.  Really it is working from the past one month just to reduce the POIS symotms but not prevent. 

Step 1:  Take Apple Cider vinegar
Step 2: Put approximately 300 ml of water in a bowl and make it boiling
Step 3: for boiling water, insert 2 to 3 Tea spoon of Apple cider vinegar
Step 4: put a towel accross the face and take steam of this for 15 minutes and see the result. Approximately 50 to 70% cognitive symtoms will be disappeared.  Really its working.  It is very cheaper to try and there is no side effects.  Also post your results. 

 

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« Reply #17854 on: 03/03/2013 14:53:12 »
Nathan,   

Malic acid  or  aaple cider vinegar  is good,   I recommended it  to almost everyone  who I recieved the tests from.    It seems to increase TSH .  And it rotates the ATP pump.
 

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« Reply #17855 on: 03/03/2013 15:03:28 »
Nathan,

If you did the hair analysis , that is excellent.   I told  everyone to  get on Nutritional balancing program with ARL,
But  hair  analysis wont tell you the levels  of  metals, like copper or zinc or magnanese or  chromium or any other  metal but electrolytes( sodium , calcium , magnesium and pottasium)/  You just have to know how to read it properly/    Copper does not build up in hair at all.  And you have to read the  metabolism  from  hair, not the stupid levels, since  levels are not relevant at all.  SO if you  are doing this in  india, I think  it is a waste of  time, since I bet they wash  your hair, and  hair has pourous structure and should not be washed
I developed this system of  blood tests that I have been   asking for  which  so far matched the best hair analysis  results.  I still think hair analysis is the best test but only in certain labs  /Your copper imbalance is  a collaboration  of  many factors,   and you are trying to find  one solution/   According  to what I  saw you have low thyroid. 
 

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« Reply #17856 on: 03/03/2013 18:53:19 »
Hi,
I'm new to this group and found it while googling around about problems I can't really find and answer and a solution to...
Maybe I'm writing things that have been discussed again and again here, but it's too long to read 6 years of posts and I hope finding some hints to go ahead based on current information.

I'm a 38 years old guy from Italy.

The specific problem is that after an orgasm I have the following symptoms aggravated for a couple of days: muscular/joints/back weakness and pains, light headed, lack of initiative, sense of void in the lower abdomen, sore throat (possibly allergy or increased probability to catch a virus), can hardly get out of bed the morning after and dragging myself the day after, feeling cold.

I say "aggravated" because most of this symptoms are already present to a smaller degree far from sexual activity, as I'm currently dealing with problems of adrenal fatigue and hormone thyroid resistance at tissues level (hypothiroidism). I also have a history of depression, for 2 years now under control with no use of antidepressants (Prozac), which I unfortunately have used for 11 years . Hypoadrenia/Hypothyoridism give me CFS/Fybromyalgia like symptoms. An orgasm just seems to make this much worse for at least a couple of days, the day after being the worst.

I am currently following a protocol with T3 thyroid hormone called CT3M (T3 cyrcadian method), pregnenolone, adaptogenic herbs, lots of supplements (vitamins, minerals, aminoes...).

Is anyone experiencing an aggravation of Adrenal Fatigue symptoms after sexual activity?

My sex hormones have always been OK (total/free testosterone, SHGB, estradiol, progesterone).
My prolactin was in range last labs.
Currently the main lab issue is low salivar DHEA, cortisol is almost normal but could ideally be a little higher.

I believe this is somehow related to a dopamine depletion, I take some DLPA for it (tryied L-Tyrosine in the past) but it doesn't make a big difference.
I'm going to try Mucuna Pruriens (L-DOPA) to see if that helps.

In Chinese Traditional Medicine post-sex fatigue is related to kidney weakness, so again adrenals.
I get some acupuncture sessions to work on kidneys points.

I try not to have sex more often than once a week and the symptoms occur nonetheless, clearly this is not normal for a 38 years old guy, and this has been happening for years now.

Essentially I must pay attention not to become exhausted in many ways to avoid crashes and infections (physical exercise, sauna, sleep), but sex is clearly one of the most depleting factors.

When I am low energy obviously sex drive is not on top of my thoughts. But as soon as I have some energy libido increases and creates a kind of tension that calls for being released. This currently might happen once a week, but it changes depending on the general condition. Unfortunately that also causes the side effects I described in the post and brins me again to ground zero for awhile.

I've also tried semen retention techniques but stopped them, both because they actually didn't help much (it seems that orgasm and not ejaculation aggravate symptoms), and because I felt they were a bit unnatural and possibly unhealthy.

I think a low after sex is normal and natural, but not when it is so much. It's likely that people with adrenal weakness suffer of this more than average.

I've come across here now searching for some fresh ideas, if someone in similar conditions has a similar situation and can share their experience and give any hints.

I know there are theories about hormonal imbalances and allergies related to POIS, I'd like to explore new possibilities to feel better and solve this annoying problem.

I don't know if my scenario falls into a form of POIS, whatever it is, but I feel I can find some ideas here beyond the labels.

Thanks for your attention.
Andrea
 

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« Reply #17857 on: 03/03/2013 19:48:22 »
urano75/Andrea,

Welcome on board. I had some similar symptoms that point towards excessive histamine. Here are some reading that may be of some use to you.

http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=5614;sa=showPosts [nofollow]

Good luck.
 

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« Reply #17858 on: 03/03/2013 21:50:17 »
urano75/Andrea,

Welcome on board. I had some similar symptoms that point towards excessive histamine. Here are some reading that may be of some use to you.

http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=5614;sa=showPosts

Good luck.

Hi Romies,

thank you for your feedback and info.

I might well suffer from excessive histamine, having allergies started exactly since puberty (pollens, molds,...).
Also my depressive symptoms started around that age, as far as I can remember.
So fatigue, depression and allergy could be well related. Time, stress and infections could have just taxed weak adrenals until they crashed, and thyroid suffered of that. Insufficient cortisol leads to be overreactive and inflammatory. This is a likely connection. It's just difficult to say what started it all and how to break the circle now.

I didn't know that high histamine could be related to post-orgasm symptoms, I'll read the posts carefully but at a first glance I still have to understand this relationship. I see it's a complex matter. I see that much is told about methylation, this is not something I've explored very much. Is high histamine always a methylation problem?

I take lots of supplements, among these a good Thorne Basics B-complex, extra P5P and Niacin, Vit C, NAC, MSM, Betaine HCL, magnesium, zinc.... they all should affect methylation in some way and eventually neurotransmitters production (serotonine, dopamine, noradrenaline). I also take quercetine, nettle root extract and when needed antihistamines (fexofenadine) when allergy is too annoying. I've taken methionine, SAM-e and TMG in the past, but didn't make a difference with this specific problem.

Actually I would not know from where to start (or restart).

What symptoms (yours, mine) do you mean that point to excessive histamine?
How did you understand that excessive histamine was the main issue for you?
Have you tried or found any supplements or meds (like antihistamines) helping you with that, and specifically with POIS symptoms?
Are there other current theories besides histamine/methylation issues worth being considered and explored?

Thanks.
Andrea
 

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« Reply #17859 on: 04/03/2013 01:14:46 »
Andrea,

I have two previous posts on my symptoms and current regimen (thanks to earlier efforts from Kurtosis):
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg405313#msg405313

The cognitive effect seems to be caused by mostly histamine (+ suspected ammonia excess in blood)

I was previously on daily omeprazole and cetirizine for 6+ years, due to heart burn and nasal allergy (dust-mite) during sleep.
I don't need neither of these two medicine now, after taking Thorne methyl-guard (2 cap per day). I hypothesized my histamine level is being greatly reduced from this change.

Kurtosis had a post explaining what histamine can do to you
http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=782.5;wap2 [nofollow]

Niacin reduces methylation and methylfolate/methyl-B12 increases methylation.

Your supplement regimen seems very complex...

I found my regimen by trial-and-error from Kurtosis' regime + my 23andme.com genetic testing result. More data is usually always better.

There are many theories at poiscenter.com . It will be helpful to read those post. I spent days combing through all the posts there from july2012 through jan 2013.

-R

 

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« Reply #17860 on: 04/03/2013 05:53:20 »
Hi urano75,

It does sound like you have POIS.  POIS is a strange thing, it can occur immediately with the onset of puberty (like for myself) or later in life ( like it seems for you).  I can tell immediately that you have been through a rough time.  Know that you are not alone in dealing with the symptoms of this and the depression it can often bring.  I have had a life-altering battle with it, but things changed a lot for me after finding this community.

I hope you can find some relief :)  I didn't quite catch, have you tried to induce a niacin flush before orgasm?  That's usually effective in reducing symptoms, and has helped me regain my sanity!

Welcome :)
 

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« Reply #17861 on: 04/03/2013 09:22:55 »
Hi Romies,

have you ever assessed you adrenals status via a salivar test?
Low cortisol might be an issue, and you might eventually have inflammatory, allergic and (reactive) hypoglycemia if you have not enough cortisol around.
Maybe worth checking if your cortisol/DHEA/aldosterone are right.
Probably high histamine contributes to an inflammatory state that uses up cortisol. Allergies, as infections, can be hard on adrenals. Food allergies (gluten, casein) might be an issue as well.

It's also a good idea to check how is your thyroid, it can be stressed by weak adrenals.

Given my history (depression, allergies) I might think I'm undermethylating, is this assumption reasonable. SAM-e used to give me a temporary lift with depression when I was off SSRI, but clearly was not enough. Neither TMG or methionine. But I used them long time ago, maybe it would be different now.
However I see that much people benefit from using Niacin-NAD before O, which you say slows down methylation.
Niacin/NAD is already in my B-complex (together with p5p, methylfolate, methylcobalamine among the rest), but I used to take 500mg Niacin in addition to it awhile ago, on full stomach to avoid big flushes. I've never used Niacin on purpose before O to limit POIS symptoms, I could try that but, was wondering: is it a good idea to supplement Niacin-NAD if one suspects to be undermethylating (based on symptoms, it might be a wrong assumption of course)?

Right, my supplementation regimen is complex, and I've only written part of it. My history is complex as well, supplementation and hormonal support have helped with many things but not really much with POIS symptoms. The more you feel better on the average, the more you realize how you feel miserable after sex.

I'll read the posts carefully to get more ideas, it is a bit disorienting at the beginning but I'll catch up :-)

Thank you,
Andrea

 

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« Reply #17862 on: 04/03/2013 09:31:09 »
Hi Nightingale,

thank you :-)
Yes I think I have POIS symptoms. Not sure if we can consider POIS a sickness in itself, it might be an aspect of adrenals, thyroid, inflammatory, immune or methylation issues, as also CFS, fybromyalgia and depression probably are.... so many labels, and possibly few underlying causes and mechanisms.
Whatever it is, it's a big nuisance...
About niacin, see my previous post: never used it for this purpose, nor I knew it could help. But used it nonetheless as part of a supplementation program.
Does it work for you? In what sense does it help you?
How much do you take, and how long before sex?
Do you take Niacin or NAD?
Are you aware of methylation or histamine issues, as far as you could investigate?

Many thanks!
Andrea


 

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« Reply #17863 on: 04/03/2013 09:32:31 »
Andrea,
Can you make sure you don't have an out-of-control fungal infection? I'm not saying POIS is a yeast infection but I've had a very stubborn one that resisted many attempts to clear it up. The usual antifungals like Diflucan just didn't resolve the problem.
I  think some of the allergies of POIS result from a compromised immune system and I'd be surprised if some other sufferers don't have persistent fungal infections. Talk to your doctor about this.
 

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« Reply #17864 on: 04/03/2013 09:43:01 »
Hi Kurtosis,

I don't think I've fungal infections right now.
I frequently catch viral infections, sometimes bacteric ones, usually throat infections, especially after sexual activity I suspect. But I rarely have a fever. Low grade-chronic infections have probably been a problem for me for years, but now it's better than before.

I had candida and yeast infection 2 years ago when I crashed, but it is solved now.

Thanks,
Andrea
 

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« Reply #17865 on: 04/03/2013 11:21:10 »
Welcome Andrea ; It's good to have you on board ; You seem to have a long history with POIS(or Orgasm related symtoms) and I'm sure we can share a lot from your experience and ours.

I don't want to bring something new and probably not relevant in here but I thought it could be interesting :

My MD(diagnosis specialist) came out with something new what is possibly related to my symtoms : he thinks about pheochromocytoma  ;

The idea is that during orgasm, stress are strong emotion, the adrenals over react because of a tumor ; it release norepinephrine and noradrenaline that cause fast heart beat and intermitent hypertension and potentialy drains out dopamine ; It explains fatigue and cognitive symtoms.It's also connected to diabete.

I bought myself a tension metter ; I don't know if i do hypertension.

Usually pheochromocytoma is more obvious than POIS symtoms ; it trigger kind of crisis that our quite noticable but I thought it could exist some kind of slow release form of the disease

Anybody has known Hypertension problem ? Anybody has its Adrenals checked ?
 

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« Reply #17866 on: 04/03/2013 11:34:51 »
http://mindrenewal.us/page13.html [nofollow] here is the list of symptoms of High Acetylcholine.
Acetylcholine is a chemical that controls the process of muscle contraction and relaxation.

I wonder if we can be high of acetylcholine, that causing muscle spasms, contraction etc.

Here's a message from one of forum users regarding overdose of acetylcholine by drugs:

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I get excess ACh when combining Alpha GPC and ALCAR on the same day, even with a low dosage of each. I experience tension in the tops of my shoulders, into the sides of my neck. A headache appears with larger or multiple doses.

Neck tension and headaches are mentioned by a number of people on mind & muscle, usually related to ALCAR in some way, so I don't think they're the less common side effects in our area of concern.
 

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« Reply #17867 on: 04/03/2013 14:13:23 »
Thanks Lapoisse.
I think that jumping to an adrenal tumor without checking more common adrenals dysfunctions is a big statement, what labs and diagnostics would support that so far?
I'm pretty confident that adrenals play a role into my POIS symptoms, in fact sex is for me a trigger that aggravates adrenal fatigue issues (low cortisol, low blood sugar, low blood pressure, low metabolism). I don't know if this can be generalized.
I'm here to learn if there can be other factors in play, related or not.
 

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« Reply #17868 on: 04/03/2013 14:25:12 »
Also google Post Coital Tristessee.  this name given in UK for POIS.  I think there are many sufferrers of POIS and they are not able to come into a particular platform to know what is POIS.  One of such names I found in google are Post Coital Headache, Post Coitial Tristessee, Post Coital Fatigue, Post coital tiredness and many names are there in google for POIS.   

Out of many sufferrers I hope atleast one of the sufferrer is finding the right treatment and cures his POIS.  We just require to find that person if any. 

From today, daily 2 hours I will spend time POIS study in the internet and hopefully we will get grand success in this year of 2013. 

 

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« Reply #17869 on: 04/03/2013 15:06:49 »
Thanks Lapoisse.
I think that jumping to an adrenal tumor without checking more common adrenals dysfunctions is a big statement, what labs and diagnostics would support that so far?
I'm pretty confident that adrenals play a role into my POIS symptoms, in fact sex is for me a trigger that aggravates adrenal fatigue issues (low cortisol, low blood sugar, low blood pressure, low metabolism). I don't know if this can be generalized.
I'm here to learn if there can be other factors in play, related or not.

Andrea, I'm sorry ; the message wasn't specificaly adressed to you ; actually it was just a "welcome message" to you and an other message about a potential lead to explore.

As far as I understand, there is no specific way to evaluate "adrenal fatigue" ; for mainstrem medecine, adrenals or either insuficient  or there is nothing ;

What is interesting in my opinion is the effect of overload of noradrenaline and adrenaline(caused by stress or something else) on dopamine depletion ; symtoms of POIS realy match with dopamine depletion ; I found an interesting paper on this :

http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/article.aspx?articleid=177775

By the way, I also took SSRI for 2 years ; I've been of for 6 month now and from POIS point of view, it was the worse idea I had even if i got really nice nice relief for about 5 month.

 

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« Reply #17870 on: 04/03/2013 15:52:47 »
Hi Lapoisse,
yes I understood the tumor hypotesis was not directed to me ;-)

There is a reliable enough lab test to check adrenal function, and it's 24h salivar test for cortisol/DHEA.

See e.g.:
http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/

Moreover a blood panel covering steroid hormones can provide some useful insights.

I know that for mainstream medicine adrenal insufficiency = Addison's

I agree that my POIS symptoms match low dopamine and low cortisol symptoms. It's normal to feel a bit "depleted" after an orgasm I guess for awhile, and that should go along with a prolactin peak and a catecolammines fall. It's *not* normal to feel like that for days and with such intensity.

SSRI helped me survive for a long time before I found other, better ways, so I don't blame them. I just think they are not a good long term solution, cover some underlying problems and end up intoxicating the body, so the sooner one finds an alternative the better. It took 11 years for me. I can't even rule out they made my post-sex symptoms worse after some many years, even though they didn't affect my libido.
 

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« Reply #17871 on: 05/03/2013 16:31:06 »
Hi Andrea,

Hi did the tests(blood pressure and pupil) ; both are positive for me but not that much.

Also, i just talk to an endocrino MD and he thinks that if my adrenals was burnout, I'd have low cortisol wich is not the case ; However I'll have my catecholamines (blood and urine) and cortisol at 8am and 6pm tested ; I'll do it tomorow at day 2 after O, usually my worst day.
I keep you informed ;

Prolactin is also something that come up pretty often here ; prolactin levels are connected to orgasm and probably has an antagonist relation with dopamine : mine is always over the range but not that much and no pituary adenom on sight.

Have you tried NSAIDS ? ketoprofen combined with a bit of propanolol is the only thing that help me
 

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« Reply #17872 on: 05/03/2013 17:01:26 »
Hi Andrea,

Hi did the tests(blood pressure and pupil) ; both are positive for me but not that much.

Also, i just talk to an endocrino MD and he thinks that if my adrenals was burnout, I'd have low cortisol wich is not the case ; However I'll have my catecholamines (blood and urine) and cortisol at 8am and 6pm tested ; I'll do it tomorow at day 2 after O, usually my worst day.
I keep you informed ;

Prolactin is also something that come up pretty often here ; prolactin levels are connected to orgasm and probably has an antagonist relation with dopamine : mine is always over the range but not that much and no pituary adenom on sight.

Have you tried NSAIDS ? ketoprofen combined with a bit of propanolol is the only thing that help me

Blood cortisol lab is usually not very useful...  have you taken a saliva test (AM, noon, PM, evening)? It's not enough to have values in range, it must be top range in the morning and bottom range in the evening.
Also DHEA (salivar and blood) and aldosterone should be looked at.

Prolactin might play a role yes, but mine was 11 and I think it's not considered a problem when <20. Also, it might have unexpected values in case of other hormonal imbalances, so I heard.

No NSAIDS for me thanks. I'm kind of natural-oriented guy in health, I use antinflammatory stuff like fish/krill oil, curcumin, but that's it. It's even too much that I take anti-histamines when allergy is too strong... :-)
 

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« Reply #17873 on: 07/03/2013 07:24:06 »
Hello guys, is there any way pois has something to do with the way ejaculation is accomplished? Does watching porn have anything to do with this? and if so is there someone on this forum that has pois but doesnt absolutely strictly ever watch porn?

Thank you for your time,

Chris
 

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« Reply #17874 on: 07/03/2013 12:46:58 »
Hello guys, is there any way pois has something to do with the way ejaculation is accomplished? Does watching porn have anything to do with this? and if so is there someone on this forum that has pois but doesnt absolutely strictly ever watch porn?

Thank you for your time,

Chris

Hi Chris,
it doesn't make a difference for me how I reach an orgasm, it's a depleting experience anyway. Obviously having sex with someone you love is a much more rewarding experience in many senses than masturbating in front of a porn, but I've come to see that I eventually have the same symtpoms afterwards.
 

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