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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18200 on: 22/05/2013 16:53:53 »
Hello guys. Is it worth trying the recipe kurtosis made? I've tried Niacin and it works for me but I still am damaged a lot from POIS. Can the "recipe" help this and what is your experience when trying it?
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18201 on: 22/05/2013 22:49:00 »
Hello guys. Is it worth trying the recipe kurtosis made? I've tried Niacin and it works for me but I still am damaged a lot from POIS. Can the "recipe" help this and what is your experience when trying it?

A few others have seemed to have had some benefits from b-complex and the recipe. I took a highly bio-available b-complex for a while and had mild improvement in some physical pois symptoms. I think more of our members have had better improvements with fenugreek+garlic than b-complex.
« Last Edit: 22/05/2013 22:50:42 by Vincent M »
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18202 on: 23/05/2013 02:07:07 »
Hello guys. Is it worth trying the recipe kurtosis made? I've tried Niacin and it works for me but I still am damaged a lot from POIS. Can the "recipe" help this and what is your experience when trying it?

A genetic test, e.g. 23andme.com, will help you to identify which part of your pathways (methylation etc) may be inefficient. You can then adjust Kurtosis' regimen to fit your need.

I found his regime very helpful for me, with some small tweaks.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18203 on: 23/05/2013 11:20:23 »
I'm going to be in Paris from June 5th - 11th.  If any POISers are out there and would like to get together for a meal and share experiences, please send me a PM
 

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« Reply #18204 on: 23/05/2013 11:35:03 »
Desperate, Some of the things youre saying resonate with my own experiences. For instance, i have weak adrenals. And, my blood-sugar is definitely tied to my pois. Even if im experiencing a fantastic day, and i go most the day without eating, my pois will come back, very strongly. I'll basically become a mute. And even if i eat a big meal, it's too late. My pois is there to stay. After times like these my pois will be bad another 2-4 days. Consequently, I never allow myself to get too hungry anymore.

 I'm not sure  I'm not sure whether morning Os or having an O on an empty stomach translate to worse pois, but ill try to pay attention to that in the future. Seems plausible.

Ive personally never had a negative sexual experience so i dont think ptsd plays a role w me.

My sodium is 138 within a 135 to 145 reference range, so low depending upon who u ask.

We speak the same language.Went 7 days abstaining now I had my tools in place.Took the most bioavailable forms of fat soluable vitamins,B complex with activated forms (methyls),took my liquid trace minerals,had enough protein and carbs for breakfast and got everything in place.Guess what?

POIS hit me really bad.My cognitive functions are non-existant.I work in free time for a friend's webpage as an administrator and forgot how to edit text messages (html).That's how bad I feel.
I'm unable to think,all my muscles are hurting but what hurts me the most is that I need to abstain for several days again to start feeling better and I can't tell anyone about this problem because they would ridicule me so I keep lying to people I've got blood sugar problems and they are already finding it strange that I go cheerful and happy for a while then suddenly feel like this with mood swings and personality change.
I live in a lie and have suicidal thoughts because of POIS.

Wish I could have spare 200-300$ so I could test this adrenal fatigue/Addison's theory by abstaining for certain period of time,doing 4-5x cortisol saliva testing on two days.Before and after masturbation.
I know this has to be one of the culprit or if not the root cause but key player that we get to feel this bad.
I would love to see how an orgasm affects a POIS sufferer's cortisol levels compared to non-problematic people...
« Last Edit: 23/05/2013 11:39:22 by desperate man »
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18205 on: 23/05/2013 12:36:36 »
Vincent M and Romies: Thanks for your answers!

Vincent: Those that have had a positive effect of fernugreek and garlic, do they take this everyday? I mean not just before O.

Romies: Can you tell me more about the genetic test and how I can decide through that?
« Last Edit: 23/05/2013 12:39:32 by benvil »
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Болезни Дауна (POI)
« Reply #18206 on: 23/05/2013 12:54:36 »
Vincent M   Hi, what recipe fenugreek ?


thank you
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18207 on: 23/05/2013 18:05:16 »
benvil, for fenugreek+garlic most take it every day, but it is most helpful if taken at most an hour or 2 before "o". Myself and one other found that drinking some green tea with the fenugreek or soon after worked better than garlic.

Kima, fenugreek is just crushed seeds from the plant(also known as methi seeds) - it's not a recipe. I'll copy my exact procedure from my treatment summary.
Fenugreek(crushed seeds)+Garlic/Tea: For fenugreek I take three 620mg fenugreek capsules every morning with tea to further help me reduce the POIS inflammation from the orgasm I usually have every night. Taking the fenugreek with tea or garlic seems to be the only way fenugreek really works. Drinking green or black tea right after taking the herb also gives me increased energy throughout the day. I take the fenugreek in the morning, because if I take it at night I won't be able to fall asleep due to the energy enhancement it gives me. This has been reliably improving my symptoms for over a year. I've recently ordered 1 pound of crushed fenugreek seeds to save money and have been taking about 1/4 of a teaspoon with green tea every morning. Seems to work just as well as the capsules. It has a beneficial effect on both my cognitive and physical symptoms.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18208 on: 23/05/2013 21:54:13 »
Thanks Vincent. Do you know of any site that can ship fenugreek to Sweden? :o I don't seem to find any.
 

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« Reply #18209 on: 23/05/2013 22:02:45 »
I'm going to be in Paris from June 5th - 11th.  If any POISers are out there and would like to get together for a meal and share experiences, please send me a PM
if I were going to be there during that time (won't be sadly) I'd be one of the 1st poisers to volunteer to share my experiences with you, heck yeah. beautiful city btw

speaking of the garlic remedy, I can't stand eating the raw cloves (makes me feel very sick), but I don't really mind the minced kind. garlic really seems to help a little for my cognitive problem. also drink the fenugreek tea and enjoy it very much (b4 I tried it I was skeptical that I'd like the taste, but it's not bad at all and the warmth of the tea and the cup are nice too. it's like a mini campfire in my hands).
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18210 on: 23/05/2013 23:13:34 »
Could anyone of you who are experiencing relief from taking niacin be so kind to post your homocysteine level lab results?
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18211 on: 24/05/2013 06:31:11 »
Thanks Vincent. Do you know of any site that can ship fenugreek to Sweden? :o I don't seem to find any.

Nope I can't help you there, my friend. Sorry. Maybe someone else here might know?

Edit- I assume you've tried Amazon, right? I found this site that says they'll help ship items from the U.S. to other countries, but idk if it's legit or not: http://www.shipito.com/usa-address-mail-forwarding
« Last Edit: 24/05/2013 07:22:40 by Vincent M »
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18212 on: 24/05/2013 06:42:23 »

speaking of the garlic remedy, I can't stand eating the raw cloves (makes me feel very sick), but I don't really mind the minced kind. garlic really seems to help a little for my cognitive problem. also drink the fenugreek tea and enjoy it very much (b4 I tried it I was skeptical that I'd like the taste, but it's not bad at all and the warmth of the tea and the cup are nice too. it's like a mini campfire in my hands).

Just to be clear the fenugreek tea decreases your pois symptoms, right? I made a sort of summary today of all of our fenugreek trials so I want to be extra sure. Also you're welcome for giving you the idea lol, although it was hurray who initially thought to try fenugreek so I'd have to give the credit to him.

The summary I made is at this link if anyone wants to take a look. So far it seems we have at least 11 to 14 members who had definite beneficial effects from fenugreek:

http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=1057.msg9548#msg9548
« Last Edit: 24/05/2013 06:58:09 by Vincent M »
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18213 on: 24/05/2013 07:32:07 »
very good summary! and yes, the fenugreek tea decreases my symptoms. I think the visceral experience (so relaxing/warm) plays a big role, but it's probably also from the fenugreek itself (ps: I also have the fenugreek 610mg capsules and I take them once in a while too). I did get the idea from you a while back while I was a silent reader, thanks a lot! :D
 

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« Reply #18214 on: 24/05/2013 07:52:42 »
Thanks Prancer. Glad my constant advertisement of fenugreek paid off.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18215 on: 24/05/2013 11:34:01 »
zinc  and copper    control   gaba and  acethylcholinesterase/    There are no mutations, there is simply deficiencies.  You have to stay away from sex and  replenish   these metals,   including  iron manganese  copper and zinc , and all your enzymes will  work again.  Zinc increases gaba , lowers  acethylcholine for instance , if you have that imbalance/  POIS is caused by inflammation from  low testosterone levels, since  your horomones are not balanced.

Any ideas how to stop nocturnal emissions? I am having NE 4 times every week, even after quiting masturbation, no porn, no sex, it is impossible to stay POIS free for more than a couple of days.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18216 on: 24/05/2013 16:28:59 »
zinc  and copper    control   gaba and  acethylcholinesterase/    There are no mutations, there is simply deficiencies.  You have to stay away from sex and  replenish   these metals,   including  iron manganese  copper and zinc , and all your enzymes will  work again.  Zinc increases gaba , lowers  acethylcholine for instance , if you have that imbalance/  POIS is caused by inflammation from  low testosterone levels, since  your horomones are not balanced.

Any ideas how to stop nocturnal emissions? I am having NE 4 times every week, even after quiting masturbation, no porn, no sex, it is impossible to stay POIS free for more than a couple of days.

Doing sports usually helps...
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18217 on: 24/05/2013 16:52:24 »
Fronicationdenied - try cutting out alcohol, at least near bedtime...that's the only thing I can think of.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18218 on: 25/05/2013 14:10:20 »
Desperate, per your suggestion, I've eaten a full balanced meal, either just before or just after my last 3 Os.  The result is that my pois didn't hit me as hard as usual.  Perhaps you've identified another small piece to the puzzle? 
 

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« Reply #18219 on: 25/05/2013 16:08:16 »
Any ideas how to stop nocturnal emissions? I am having NE 4 times every week, even after quiting masturbation, no porn, no sex, it is impossible to stay POIS free for more than a couple of days.

I would say that my thoughts right before I go to sleep does a lot. If I think about sex, pretty ladies etc then odds are quite higher i get a NE.

This week I have had two NE. I keep a record of my NE to do my own little statistics, every one here should do it too. I keep record of: NE,breakfast,lunch,dinner,relax,exercise,sleeping hours and its quality among other things.
 

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« Reply #18220 on: 25/05/2013 16:14:06 »
I have only tried Niacin (250 mg) 5 different times, should I take it on a regular basis?

Earlier I tried Nicotinamid, does not give the flush effect.
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« Reply #18221 on: 26/05/2013 00:13:29 »
I have only tried Niacin (250 mg) 5 different times, should I take it on a regular basis?

Earlier I tried Nicotinamid, does not give the flush effect.

Most have only had beneficial effects with nicotinic acid(flushing version of niacin) taken only before orgasm and only if they have a flush. However, some have experienced improved symptoms with regular use of nicotinamide/niacinamide. We have reason to suspect that daily dosing of nicotinamide would make it more difficult to flush with nicotinic acid.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18222 on: 26/05/2013 23:24:46 »
ok this post might make me very unpopular with certain people.

This is my belief - its just an opinion so please do not take this as an attack on everyones hard work and research concerning POIS

POIS is a series of symptoms - its not a specific illness that has unique characteristics such as Diabetes or Heart Disease.  It is a term thats symptoms are as broad as IBS.

It is clear our systems are out of balance. The more you understand about our system the more you will realise how complex it is and how difficult rebalancing can be. 

If you consider a person with a blood sugar imbalance going for a run.  The symptoms they might experience after the run could be light headiness, migraine, possibly fainting amongst other symptoms.  The issue is that for some people, they could be hypoglycaemic or hyperglycaemic, suffer from insulin resistance etc.  Because we know more about this illness, we know there are people at opposite ends of spectrum where they require different treatment for the underlying cause that all sites under the umbrella of Blood sugar Imbalance.

The trouble with the threads on POIS, is that going back to the IBS labelling, its not very helpful in putting yourself into a relevant sub label under the POIS umbrella. If you consider other illnesses that are a result of a unbalanced system, depression, autism, adhd, allergies etc again these just labels that have several sub-labels underneath them which require every different treatments.

My point of all this, maybe if we concentrate more on understanding the whole system we might understand more about how ejaculating can take an unbalanced system even more out of sync.  The answer will not come from shooting in the dark taking different supplements and analysing how they might temporarily effect us.  The trouble with supplements is that your trying to balance a puzzle with multiple see saws which can become an near impossible task not to mention expensive.  Even worse you take your system even further out of balance with this approach. When you add one supplement you take something else out of balance.  This explains why sometimes you initially experience a temporary positive effect because you cause a shift in balance within your system.

Personally, I think our approach needs to change and we need to start seeing ourselves as unique puzzles with some very basic common grounds.  The only way you will understand what puzzle you are dealing with is by having tests to understand what the rules are specific to you.

Tests which establish the rules of our own puzzles:
1. Parasites and bacteria lelvels
2. Organ functioning - kidneys, liver, gall bladder, pancreas
3. Neurotransmitter levels - Serotonin, Dopamine, Noradrenaline, Cholinergic
4. Intestinal function
5. Methylation and Sulphation metabolic pathways
6. Hormone levels of Testosterone, Estrogen, Cortisol, Prolactin
There are more obviously but these are the ones in my opinion are a good starting point to give a general overview.  Ultimately we are an algorithm of chemicals, and solution rests in finding out what the question is first.

Perhaps the tests are best done when you have taken your system completely out of balance with multiple emissions.

I think POIS is part of a bigger picture and it just so happens as ejaculation takes our system even further out of balance.  Much like a diabetic drinking several cans of sugary drinks.  We do not call this Post Sugar Illness Syndrome.  The illness label that is more helpful is one that is more closely related to the cause rather than the effect.

The trouble with us trying to understand our own puzzles is that we trying to find the answers in other peoples puzzles.  This will take us off our own track more often than not and is seen as a distraction.  Also a lot of us are firing at the hip taking supplements in hope of the magic bullet by chasing the symptoms.

My opinion is that we need to start with diagnostics - much like a mechanic will run on a car before they tell you whats wrong with it so you know how to fix it. 

So what gives me the right to inform others of my beliefs.  Well I think I am in a good position because my POIS symptoms have 95% disappeared. They haven't disappeared by chance, but because I have changed my approach. Take it from some who once spent thousands of hours and on supplements and treatments.  In my life I have often found the right way after exhausting every other wrong way, the trouble with that is it turns the problem into a preoccupation that takes over your life for longer than it should.

Anyway, this all just my opinion in hope to change peoples perceptive a little ...if needed  :)
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18223 on: 27/05/2013 05:58:14 »
so how excatly you reduced your symptoms?
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18224 on: 27/05/2013 13:27:45 »
Over my last 2+ years on the forum, I've seen a few really superb, inspiring posts from mellivora, willem, and some others.  I put questforlife's recent post up there in the same category.

Simply put, I agree.  There may be a few of us that fall into the "allergy" category and are effectively cured from niacin or SCIT.  But besides those few, nobody else has followed a single treatment strategy and been cured.  We've taken garlic or fenugreek or b vitamins or protein and felt better for a short period of time, but nothing seems to stick.  Like many others, I've also spent thousands of dollars and have a supplement cabinet that'd rival most pharmacies.  But with a systemic issue such as ours, this is clearly not the right solution.  If it were, we'd have found it already. 

As Quest put it, we're all out of balance.  This is obvious to those of us, myself included, who have "constant pois"  i.e. you feel crummy all the time and Os just exacerbate our symptoms.  Thus, our goal should be to balance ourselves.  Balance might require more sleep, less stress, more of certain minerals, a change in diet, or a combination of all those things.  Doing the "pois thing" of swallowing 1 of every pill in your vitamin cabinet immediately following an O will never help.         

All that said, while I agree with the post in theory, I struggle with how to act upon it.  As we all know know, most of our blood tests don't reveal any significant problems.  And while taking more comprehensive tests, like neurotransmitter tests, will highlight issues such as low neurotransmitter activity, it often doesn't help lead to any helpful treatments.  Quest, if you have certain examples of how diagnostic testing has helped you identify treatment options, I think that'd be helpful to us.
 

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