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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18550 on: 29/07/2013 19:06:55 »
... it wont work  on alzheimers on  every case,  although I  saw people  who got rid of  so called uncurable desease ...
... So please., give facts  not some   bs articles.

It's a fact that Alzheimers causes irreversible brain damage : so is not curable, not in any case ...

Quote from: nih.gov
Alzheimer’s disease is an irreversible, progressive brain disease that slowly destroys memory and thinking skills, and eventually even the ability to carry out the simplest tasks.
http://www.nia.nih.gov/alzheimers/publication/alzheimers-disease-fact-sheet


I dont work for ARL and I  make no money  helping people ...

I never said you did, you doth protest too much.
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« Reply #18551 on: 29/07/2013 19:10:40 »
RD,  they dont know what alzheimers is,  all those articles and studies  are being done now, they are 20 years past what dr ECk did in the  80s,  this is really pathetic....Studies coming out not , proving what the  guy did in the 80s and 90s.

Same as Phfiefer...

Humanity is getting  "stupider" I guess.    It is like in that movie  "Idiocracy""    BALLS will be soon a  show  that we all watch...
 

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« Reply #18552 on: 29/07/2013 23:18:49 »
I forgot that I had a corticosteroid injection for back pain which explains the symptoms I described last post, clumsy me. I also had a test some time ago after of estrogen before the injection and when pois reduced.Estrogen was very low on the low range of spectrum, but the results got lost . Back pain was reduced greatly, but I feel weak, low testosterone, poor concentration etc. Modern medicine sucks, I need a terminal illness and so that I can visit like 20 specialists to get any test done and then waste money on drugs that ruin my life .
 

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« Reply #18553 on: 30/07/2013 10:44:45 »
hermna,can you tell me what thing cures werner syndrome and save my life becuase there is not treamnet yet found,only vitamin c and i dont know how much.?
 

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« Reply #18554 on: 30/07/2013 10:46:18 »
And secondle how to do relaible gene test online as in pakistan gene test not availble.i have all the symptoms wrn gene mutation that is werner sydrome but not tested yet
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18555 on: 30/07/2013 11:38:19 »
Gonda,

Why do you think you  have werner syndrom.. Premature  aging  could be from  many imbalances.  Collagen loss,  wrinkly skin  and so  forth .. These are  symptoms of copper deficiency.. Same as POIS,    copper could be deficient or  toxic  in POIS,    in both cases you would get low ceruloplasmin and high histamines.
 

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« Reply #18556 on: 30/07/2013 19:45:04 »
Hi All,

Lets discuss the following, bit by bit:

From the tests that I recieved  recently,  almost every single  person   has low ceruloplasmin   in their blood.   
What do you mean by saying low?
From the blood tests of POIS-sufferers I see on the Russian Forum for Ceruloplasmin all results are within the reference range 15-60 mg/dL
Proof:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reference_ranges_for_blood_tests
Blood Test Results for POIS sufferers:
http://zdoroforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1229

Ceruloplasmin  is  copper based protein that  binds copper and carries it all over  including  into  the bile to detox. 
Bear with me,    you  have copper  in your serum and 95% of that copper should be bound to ceruloplasmin.
This is incorrect or outdated. The correct at the moment is: "Ceruloplasmin carries about 70% of the total copper in human plasma while albumin carries about 15%". Proofs:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceruloplasmin
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19076073

To test it  people  have  serum copper test and  ceruloplasmin tests,  from  which  you get  free copper  content.   
Okay, this way you are trying to estimate non-ceruloplasmin bound copper or "free copper", but as discussed below, this estimation is unreliable, e.g. one cannot reliably determine free copper based on ceruloplasmin blood test and serum copper test:
http://www.clinchem.org/content/51/8/1558.full

Free copper  equals free estrogens  which  affect your inflammatory  systems.
I can't find any proof of this in medical literature. Could you provide anything that supports this claim?

I'm going to continue with the rest of this post later.

Thanks,
Victor
 

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« Reply #18557 on: 30/07/2013 21:09:01 »
Victor,

NCC  sometimes gives you negative  values,  not because calculation is not reliable  , but because   serum  copper is not  adjusted for age or sex and ceruloplasmin  correctly.
If you dont trust  these  calculations which I  do the correct way ,  you can always do  direct free copper test.

There are  formulas  that  calculate  free levels using albumin   multiple also , same as for calcium.

You can  test  free estradiol and compare  it with  your free copper levels,  which will correlate/
You cant find this stuff on the internet.)))

I dont  look at studies , I am far past that  crap, only  my own  tests from now on.
Since 90% of all the studies  are  bogus , And  I can always find  you  2 or 3 contradicting  studies . 

Values that I  present  completely  match  hairtests with 100% accuracy , if you know how to read the  hairtest correctly
Most of the time  I ask for both blood and hair .

Ceruloplasmin  value
 

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« Reply #18558 on: 30/07/2013 21:18:17 »
Ceruloplasmin  values usually range  from 20 to 60,   


Same as for  thyroid hormone  FT3,    range can be from 1 to 5 lets say ....you think  having FT3 =1 is normal?     you will be already  very much hypothyroid.( you will have panic attacks at  FT3=1)    but to you  it is  in the normal range..  Same is for  the ranges for almost every mineral... It is not the outside of the  range  that I look at  but I look at  relationship with other  minerals.   I thought you knew that. 
 
 

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« Reply #18559 on: 30/07/2013 21:26:57 »
Victor,

Your wikepidia   article  states on ranges..
Since you read this article  I dont understand your questions. 
 
The answers are right there.



Usual or optimal
Reference ranges are usually given as what are the usual (or normal) values found in the population, more specifically the prediction interval that 95% of the population fall into. This may also be called standard range. In contrast, optimal (health) range or therapeutic target is a reference range or limit that is based on concentrations or levels that are associated with optimal health or minimal risk of related complications and diseases. For most substances presented, the optimal levels are the ones normally found in the population as well. More specifically, optimal levels are generally close to a central tendency of the values found in the population. However, usual and optimal levels may differ substantially, most notably among vitamins and blood lipids, so these tables give limits on both standard and optimal (or target) ranges.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18560 on: 30/07/2013 21:31:53 »
Victor,

The example  for NCC and adjusted copper.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16644878

 I thought about everything , believe me.
 

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« Reply #18561 on: 30/07/2013 21:47:43 »
Victor,

I guess it is your way   to make me do  your research for you..)))   
You know how busy I am .....
 

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« Reply #18562 on: 30/07/2013 23:56:59 »
Victor,

Copper deficiency or coppper toxicity will both lead to  low ceruloplasmin .  Also  most of the people will have  Low  NA/K 
ratio.  Since  good estrogen  increases  aldosterone production  which retains  sodium  into the cell, the lack of it  will   impact sodium levels and   manganese levels...since good estrogen  retains manganese /  Manganese   usually  inhibits  acetylcholinestarase    raising  acetylcholine levels . 
When  ratio dopamine acetlylcholine or    serotonin acetylcholine gets  impaired  you  get problems.

Also  your thyroid  can be  suppresed my mercury,   in that case   adrenals will compensate by  secreting  extra  cortisol  to support Potassium in the  cell.    But that would lead to  a  so called adrenals fatigue, since  aldosterone  and sodium levels  suffer because of that, and also  your immune system  suffers.


Cheers,
Herman
 

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« Reply #18563 on: 31/07/2013 00:10:03 »
Victor,

I think this  one is better explaning   copper adjustment if you still interested in  calculations...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1860450/

If not  do the free copper, the problem is that  it is rarely  could be obtained in Russia, as you probably know.
 

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« Reply #18564 on: 31/07/2013 00:31:41 »
Victor,

The explanation  that I wrote that you quoted  is meant to be  easy to understand  information..  Every  step of the  calculations and  process that I actually do  is based and supported by  research studies and  my own  lab  measures, since I have already a lot of them., far beyound russian forum  tests or  americans  who  posts here.   Readers who dont post    make  80%  of people  who  ask for  help..


And the theory  is not described on the internet ,   since  if it were   then  we would have no problem , would we.

The main  aspect   for you to study would be   ceruloplasmin   histamine  connection  and  ceruloplasmin  iron connection and  ceruloplasmin  dopamine to noradrenaline  adrenaline   conversion  connection..... 
I dont have  time to  provide those studies for you,  but  they are there easily accesed.   

Also you can  see many studies on  ceruloplasmin and stress connection  ,   estrogen  therapy    treatment to exhausted   rats    study.
If I have time  I will  post them here  or  your skype..
Good luck..

 

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« Reply #18565 on: 31/07/2013 02:45:50 »
Herman, creating a separate post for each point you make does nothing but spam this thread and make your replies difficult to follow (ex. your last reply to Victor was 8 posts!). 

Can you create a single post to address someone or to discuss a topic?  When writing a post with many points a hard return after each point will separate the ideas and make them easy to follow.

A single thread for everything POIS is already convoluted and difficult to follow (it doesn't need any additional help :)!
 

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« Reply #18566 on: 31/07/2013 14:38:01 »
I wonder what's up with Gaurav?
 

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« Reply #18567 on: 31/07/2013 15:43:16 »
Limejuice,

I  understanid what you are saying. It is just sometimes I  post what I think without really organizing it or spending time on the post.  And later I think  of something else to add or I am looking for some article to back up the statement and  most of the time  for some reason my  original post gets lost . It happened so many times  , that I decided to  just  post as I go.. I will try to  collaborate it into  one post.

Cheers,
Herman
 

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« Reply #18568 on: 31/07/2013 19:57:38 »
Victor,

NCC  sometimes gives you negative  values,  not because calculation is not reliable  , but because   serum  copper is not  adjusted for age or sex and ceruloplasmin  correctly.
If you dont trust  these  calculations which I  do the correct way ,  you can always do  direct free copper test.
I do not trust NCC calculations - true. Why do you think you do them the correct way? What formula do you use for NCC calculations (the answer to this question is very important to me)?

There are  formulas  that  calculate  free levels using albumin   multiple also , same as for calcium.

You can  test  free estradiol and compare  it with  your free copper levels,  which will correlate/
You cant find this stuff on the internet.)))
To determine if anything correlates or not I need to have at least 20-30 independent test results or maybe even more. And then test correllation hypothesis using Chi Square criterion, for example. The problem - I don't have 20-30 test results. 

I dont  look at studies , I am far past that  crap, only  my own  tests from now on.
Since 90% of all the studies  are  bogus , And  I can always find  you  2 or 3 contradicting  studies . 
This is expected that studies can contradict each other. One experiment shows nothing, you need to carefully organize several INDEPENDENT experiments at least 5 or more to make correct judgements. So studies might have non-accurate results, but this doesn't mean you should discard all the studies. Medical studies is the only source of most up to date scientific medical information. Medical books have outdated information, because they are based on older studies.

Values that I  present  completely  match  hairtests with 100% accuracy , if you know how to read the  hairtest correctly
Most of the time  I ask for both blood and hair .
Hairtests aren't regarded as reliable scientific method of health parameters testing as already noted by RD. I agree with him, because I can't find scientific proofs they are.

Victor
 

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« Reply #18569 on: 31/07/2013 20:00:03 »
Victor,

I think this  one is better explaning   copper adjustment if you still interested in  calculations...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1860450/

If not  do the free copper, the problem is that  it is rarely  could be obtained in Russia, as you probably know.

Great, thanks, I will check this!

Victor
 

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« Reply #18570 on: 31/07/2013 20:02:31 »
Herman, I don't force you to answer. You can answer later or not answer at all, no problems. My post was meant to discuss your theory with people on this forum and find scientific proofs of your claims and approaches.

Victor

Victor,

I guess it is your way   to make me do  your research for you..)))   
You know how busy I am .....
 

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« Reply #18571 on: 31/07/2013 20:17:55 »
Herman,

I check supporting links for claims in wikipedia. This section have link to website of nutrition manufacturer Adeeva. This can't be regarded as scientific source. I didn't find scientific studies on optimal blood test studies yet, perhaps I didn't search carefully, but I'm going to seek hard for scientifically approved optimal ranges of blood tests if they exist.

Victor

Victor,

Your wikepidia   article  states on ranges..
Since you read this article  I dont understand your questions. 
 
The answers are right there.



Usual or optimal
Reference ranges are usually given as what are the usual (or normal) values found in the population, more specifically the prediction interval that 95% of the population fall into. This may also be called standard range. In contrast, optimal (health) range or therapeutic target is a reference range or limit that is based on concentrations or levels that are associated with optimal health or minimal risk of related complications and diseases. For most substances presented, the optimal levels are the ones normally found in the population as well. More specifically, optimal levels are generally close to a central tendency of the values found in the population. However, usual and optimal levels may differ substantially, most notably among vitamins and blood lipids, so these tables give limits on both standard and optimal (or target) ranges.

 

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« Reply #18572 on: 01/08/2013 00:59:58 »
Victor,

First who told you that wikepidia is   a good source.  To me  it is audited with very outdated information constanly.

Secondly, you seem to not understand that  all information  that is online is a rookie  bs crap.

Most of the good stuff would never be published.



Hairtests are very accurate since I checked them with blood..  Neither RD nor you  ever  conducted any studies. I have   a population of a lot more  than 20-30 tests. And  every test was matched with blood,   and ARL hairtest is consistent with blood 100%.

I dont understand why you guys are parroting  idiotic articles that you find online..
I am stating facts that I  have experienced.

This is my method of evaluation ..how can  anyone  argue with optimal levels  or ranges that I  set.

This system is not used  and  you cant find anything on it.  It is my way to  use ranges.   



As far as hairtest goes,  it is much easier to do one hairtest and see metabolism  of 30-40 minerals and at leats 10 systems in the body  if you know how to read it of course. The same blood  test would cost over 500-700 dollars each time.

That is why hairtest is used.

It is odd to  beilive something  that you never tried.  People that base their opinion on historical data  written in  wikepidia     cant  make any assesment of  the information I offer.. 
Every chain connection  that  I  explain  could be proven by those studies., that you can find that is true...But  those studies are  just something done by someone else and  under certain conditions.

Arguement about ranges and NCC is totally  not valid.   I provided you with the  new formula and mentioned that you can always get FREE COPPER tested.

And lastly ,  to experience  something  you should  do it once.., you know the info  to get your hairtest.  Instead of  arguing  and  questioning it,  why dont you try it , and    if you  find  any differencies from your blood metabolism , I will  buy the test  for you ...)))

The research that was done  by  doctor  Eck  dr Watts   is 10 years ahead of what  people are doing now.  Even  Phieffers work  is  totally valid now and is used  by top notch  centers  to cure incurable  problems.   Dr  Eck  created  mineral analysis which was completely  systemized... There are people  that are researching and improving his work

I am testing  everything myself for years now,   plus   I am collecting  tonns of  data and tests , from over 500  POIS sufferers.   Their problem is definetely  not POIS, but  other major health problems.   


The major problem is  that ALL BLOOD TESTS are not reliable and HAIR TEST is much more reliable.
Why?

Do you know that  all the ranges Victor that you mentioned are bogus.   Every lab has  a certain equipment    and do  the same tests in the same units but     the ranges will be different,   so to know  if you got right values  you will need to do  2-3 labs at the same time..which will be  thousands of dollars..

BLood tests  are  not reliable  period,  I can  tell you  that  for sure..  I wish they were, since it would be easier, but they are not....And  I am  really really careful with  them.



P.S     This is mostly   for your info , since I am not going to prove anything to anybody ,  I know what  I know. And I am not a  doctor,  and I dont  make money.  I just help with what I can .   And I would never understand  when someone  argues about something that they have no experience or understanding  about.    Try  it out , make your opinion and then  argue away.    Lately I am putting  a lot of time into this forum , so  this info  will be useful for someone, since I wont post here  in a short while and  wont be able to  help., I am going to be involved in  another project. 


Cheer,
Herman


 
 

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« Reply #18573 on: 01/08/2013 07:19:04 »
Gonda,

Why do you think you  have werner syndrom.. Premature  aging  could be from  many imbalances.  Collagen loss,  wrinkly skin  and so  forth .. These are  symptoms of copper deficiency.. Same as POIS,    copper could be deficient or  toxic  in POIS,    in both cases you would get low ceruloplasmin and high histamines.
Ok how can i test this to make sure any blood tests? but i have other symtoms of wrn too like heart disease,parenrs are cousins,hair loss etc and lack of growth supurt small adn weak bones smalll hands
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Remaining five days of Panchakarma Treatment.  My doctor suggested to have orgasm after 6 days of full treatment. Will update the result soon.
 

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