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« Reply #18750 on: 23/08/2013 13:59:44 »
Plus I  prefer to   do a step method  that I developed , this way  I dont get the conflicts between minerals as I saw happen on standard ARL programs.
Herman  - can you give me an example of the above ^.
             - The tests that Gringo had in his spreadsheet, do you know if this is from hair or saliva or blood serum?
Love reading a success story like Gringo's.

you give one preson 15 mg manganese and 30 zinc and the other person will get 15 mg and 15 zinc.
So that guys do not have to inundate you and can maybe take the initiative themselves... can you say what determines the difference here between these 2 cases. Is it simply the case that person A had lower levels of zinc in his hair/saliva/blood to begin with?

Gringo's tests are blood tests.  (If you got a hair test done you'd see that the hair test looks completely different).  Hair tests can only be done every 3 months or so but if you really want to be precise you can do blood tests every month and balance yourself based off that.  That's what Gringo did.  This hasn't been possible for me because of how expensive blood tests are n America.  (In my opinion, for the average person here, the hair test is easy to get and is easier to interpret and is a good starting point.  If blood tests are easier to get though then get those.  Many people like Andrea like to do both and compare the results).

In regards to the 15mg zinc/ 15 mg manganese vs 30mg zinc / 15mg manganese, Herman sent me a study a while back (can't find anymore) which Carl Pfeiffer did and showed that if you give someone 30mg or more of zinc, then manganese won't be absorbed.  Also, zinc alone causes a decrease in manganese so eventually you want to also take manganese if you're taking zinc... hence a balance.  http://orthomolecular.org/library/jom/1999/articles/1999-v14n01-p028.shtml
 

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« Reply #18751 on: 23/08/2013 14:21:11 »
When Daniel is cured I'll be very confident and comfortable trying this out for myself. He has constant POIS like me and has tried almost everything, so if it works for him then it might work for me and a lot of other sufferers.

This month is my 10-year anniversary for getting POIS, and I can't think of a better place to be as far as progress toward a cure.

Although I have maintained my pois was never that bad (as compared with many people here who sleep most the day and can't even almost hold down a job), the truth is I was pretty badly off.  My anxiety was sky high and i wanted to avoid people almost all the time.  Even if I had a week off of work, I'd become burned out within 3 days back.  My energy levels were significantly worse than the 64 yr old I am friendly with that officed down the hall from me, and worse than the 73 year old who once came to visit me in San Fran.  (He wanted to go to a museum after walking around in the morning and I was too tired). My levels as indicated by my hair test confirm how bad I was when I started too.  It has me wondering whether Constant Pois is just a worse version of regular Pois.
 
Anyway, I think this is why it's taking me so long to improve via nutritional balancing.  I've had a long way to go.  But fortunately my body has responded very well to the treatment.  Everything I've taken has caused my levels to improve.  Yesterday I hiked all over Barcelona all day and didn't crash.  That said, it was 7 days after my last O.  I still couldn't do that 2 days after an O.  But 6 months ago I couldn't do that ever.  So it's a definite improvement.

Over the last 2.5 years of researching my pois, I've tried a lot of things.  I'd venture to say I've spent as much money on it over the last 2.5 years as anyone here.  And due to trying so many things, within 2 days of trying some things and feeling 10% better, I'd be convinced there was a 95% chance I was on my way to being cured.  This happened over and over again and I've never felt more false hope or despair in my life.  This is why I tried to institute the 2-week rule on the forum and it's why I've been so cautious in recommending Herman's protocol.  Honestly, I'm not going to admit to myself that I'm on my way to being cured until I have over a month straight of feeling really good.  And I'm still a long way away from that happening.

But if you're sitting on the sidelines waiting for more examples of people being cured, just realize that the balancing takes a long time.  And in the meantime, you may as well get a hair test done just to have it on hand so that IF more people do come out with positive results, you're not delayed an extra 4 weeks.  Those are my 2 cents are the issue.       
 

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« Reply #18752 on: 23/08/2013 14:33:43 »
Daniel,

It would be wise to mention that  balancing in reality  should be done monthly since I prefer to  feed in steps. And in your case we completed step 1  in half a year,  since we did not get tested before  that. It could be partially my fault since you were one of the first people I  started to balance and my evaluation system was  weak and got stronger  when time passed.  As we started  phase 2 with you  recently   you have   experienced this bump up and now   we will start phase 3 after you finish your tests in Barcelona and I think within  couple  of weeks you could report your  condition again.   After what I saw on your hairtest,   the recovery from  phase 3 would be  much faster, same as it happened in Gringos  case.  Recovery is really  slow in the begining, since I am not  trying  to make you feel bad,  and feeding  couple of ratios at a time , instead of all together.
USA medical setup sucks,  most people can be tested whenever they want  and as oftern they want, but in the states you have to  go thru doctors and pay fees to those  A...Holes.
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« Reply #18753 on: 23/08/2013 15:17:04 »
Herman tell us how you really feel about doctors, hahaha
 

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« Reply #18754 on: 23/08/2013 15:22:48 »
Herman tell us how you really feel about doctors, hahaha

Doctors are killers!) ахахх
 

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« Reply #18755 on: 23/08/2013 15:44:35 »
Daniel, 

You have 3 rows  of letters on  your keyboard,   the first letters  of each row on your left side of the keyboard are   Q , A  and Z  and on the right side are P, L, M .   There are 10 lettters in the first row which we call  row A,  so letter Q will be A1 and letter P would be A10.  Second row has  9 letters,  so  second row we call B and letter A in the second row will be B1 and letter L in the second row will be B9.   Third row  we will call row C, and  first letter in that row will be Z which in my language  will be  C1,  and the last letter in that row will be M which will be C7.    So now   I have my own language and  I can express  everything in  a child friendly manner according to the rules of this forum.

So this  is what  I call doctors:

C7 A9 A5 B6 A3  A4 B4 A7 C3 B8 A3 A4 B2


I hope you get it)))
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« Reply #18756 on: 23/08/2013 17:17:01 »
Thanks for clearing that up for us! 
 

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« Reply #18757 on: 23/08/2013 17:50:14 »
And in the meantime, you may as well get a hair test done just to have it on hand so that IF more people do come out with positive results, you're not delayed an extra 4 weeks.  Those are my 2 cents are the issue.     

Great advice! My concern was that the hair test results would not be valid if I waited too long, so I was thinking that the results should be as current as possible. But do things over time or pretty much stay the same even several months or a year in the future? Also, is it required to abstain during the nutritional balancing? Thanks!
 

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« Reply #18758 on: 23/08/2013 19:15:43 »
What about lyme disease ? I noticed there is several person's here claimed having been diagnosed for Lyme...

Coincidence ?
 

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« Reply #18759 on: 23/08/2013 19:43:25 »
victor.kons

Thank's for sharing this good news with us.
I have almost the same blood results as you before treatment. Can you present what dosages of which supplements did you take every month. I will try the same protocol.

 

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« Reply #18760 on: 23/08/2013 19:54:07 »
And in the meantime, you may as well get a hair test done just to have it on hand so that IF more people do come out with positive results, you're not delayed an extra 4 weeks.  Those are my 2 cents are the issue.     

Great advice! My concern was that the hair test results would not be valid if I waited too long, so I was thinking that the results should be as current as possible. But do things over time or pretty much stay the same even several months or a year in the future? Also, is it required to abstain during the nutritional balancing? Thanks!

Currently, your body is pulled in a certain direction.  The hair test, which shows your body over a month-long period of time, will show the general direction your body.  So if they're a few months old to begin with I don't think that's a big deal.  You still have the correct general information to start the program.  Upon retests you want current hair tests so you know more precisely where your body is so you can make more subtle changes at that point.  Note, the supplements you take the day of the test with a hair test don't matter.  Blood tests represent your body on a specific day, so are the most susceptible to changes.  Those tests need to be as current as possible for an accurate reading.  Plus, the supplements you've taken that day will influence the results. 

You also asked about the need to abstain during the balancing.  I think you'd get better more quickly if you abstained.  Each time you O you push your body further in the wrong direction.  However as long as you're not masturbating too frequently, the supplements will outweigh the orgasms and you'll improve.  I certainly have not abstained for the last 8 months.
 

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« Reply #18761 on: 23/08/2013 19:54:57 »
Hi,

do you think I can make a hair test after a liver flush or it will affect the result of the test?
 

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« Reply #18762 on: 23/08/2013 20:15:50 »
Great, TY!
 

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« Reply #18763 on: 23/08/2013 20:29:59 »
C7 A9 A5 B6 A3  A4 B4 A7 C3 B8 A3 A4 B2

You sank my battleship !

[ if you had your own forum / blog elsewhere you wouldn't need to censor yourself ]
 

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« Reply #18764 on: 23/08/2013 22:46:30 »
Hi,

do you think I can make a hair test after a liver flush r it will affect the result of the test?

A couple liver flushes will not affect results in the short term.  And welcome to the forum.
 

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« Reply #18765 on: 24/08/2013 20:28:10 »
There have been a few studies suggesting that copper plays a role in Alzheimer's, although researchers are mostly clueless to what role copper plays. is too much copper bad, too little bad... they dont exactly know.  The scientist behind a recent study that was highlighted on npr today believes that excess copper reduces the ability of the body to clear out a certain type of amyloid that is in high quantities in alzheimer patients.  He attributes this to copper's oxidative properties but says that's mostly a guess.  The medical community seems to be a long way off from figuring out copper's role in a whole bunch of disorders. http://www.npr.org/2013/08/23/214833689/study-correlates-copper-intake-and-alzheimers-in-mice?ft=1&f=
 

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« Reply #18766 on: 25/08/2013 08:36:38 »
It does surprise me to see that really no one here cares about the yourbrainonporn.com very detailed explanation of POIS and it being caused by dopamine.

Maybe people want it to be physical and not caused by trying to get out of a sex addiction.

You will get out of POIS by not having sex for a long time, this cures your dopamine levels. I can feel great improvement a long with nutritional supplements.

Getting your dopamine levels 100 % right takes many years.
 

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« Reply #18767 on: 25/08/2013 10:12:09 »
I've only been to this forum a couple times in the past but came across this thread again today and thought I'd make a quick post about my experience so far with Gbolduev.

I've been really sick for about 12 months with low cortisol, low thyroid, low testosterone, POIS etc. I've been pretty much house bound most of the time and bed ridden for some of it. I've paid out thousands of dollars to be treated by some of the best doctors where I live only for them to make my condition a lot worse.

I contacted Herman after finding a couple of his posts here to see if he would take a look at my bloods and see if he had any ideas what could be going on. I didn't expect much but thought there was a slight chance that he might see something. After talking to him and double checking the advice he was giving me I decided to follow a protocol he had written out for me. He said it would probably take at least a year for me to start feeling better as I was in quite a bad state. It's only been a month since starting and I while I'm a long way from being better I'd say I've already improved about 40% which is almost unbelievable to me. I know a lot can still happen but Herman has got me to a level that none of the expensive doctors I saw could.

I thought I'd make this post for anyone interested. I might come back to this forum again in a few months and give another update.

 

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« Reply #18768 on: 25/08/2013 14:37:22 »
Here I am back after 2 weeks of vacations, and want to share some good news with you. I see there has been a lot of activity on this forum in the meantime and that's good, but I'll take my time to carefully read the posts later...

In the last 2 weeks I've had an "excessive" life-style which you wouldn't exactly call adrenals-friendly, and completely different from what I had been doing in the last two years (and in most of my life indeed).
I had been doing very late dancing at nights quite often and eventually overslept in the morning, I ate things I had been avoiding before, I resumed the consumption of moderate amounts of coffee and alcohol, and above all I had a consistent sexual activity (with someone else) up 5 times in a week.

I obviously had my energy dips (who wouldn't with this lifestyle though?), some joints pains, few temporary light lows in the mood, few digestive symptoms, but all was pretty much manageable, and I can't relate them to sex anyway. Yes, I wouldn't call the outstanding symtpoms "POIS" anymore for my case.

I didn't get any infections, just light allergy symptoms around the throat sometimes.

I've not been taking more than a multivitamin/multimineral for the last month as a basis program, mainly to see what will show up in the next hairtest and how I could live without relying on all those crutches. I can see that this experiment went well, my body could cope with this extra-stress, and above all I could enjoy life in a way I had almost forgotten. That's very good and, if I compare it to my first post here in March, it's pretty much of a revolution!

I recognize there is still room for improvement, and obviously I would not challenge my body so much for a longer time, but that's clearly a sign that I'm going to the right direction, and that everything I did in the last few months have proved to be right: the regimen simplification, the balancing work with Herman, weaning off hormones, and doing the things I deeply desire in my life.

Even if I don't 100% understand what happened from a "scientific" point of view, I can only be glad of this situation and looking at the future with a brighter outlook.

I am happy to share this with you and wish it will bring hope to many.
 

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« Reply #18769 on: 25/08/2013 19:43:42 »
Welcome back Andrea!

And James, really glad you're feeling better. Please come back and give us another update! The more POISers cured by Herman equals more confidence that it'll work for others. Thanks
 

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« Reply #18770 on: 26/08/2013 03:11:37 »
urano - what hormones did you get off? Living a bit of a party life now, is that because you felt good on the balancing program beforehand and started to feel good so got out and about? Damn good you are getting laid and clubbing 5 nights a week and not ending up in brain fog. Can I ask what supplements are you on and how come you are doing so well if all you are on is a multivitamin/multimineral? I don't get it.
 

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« Reply #18771 on: 26/08/2013 12:29:24 »
urano - what hormones did you get off? Living a bit of a party life now, is that because you felt good on the balancing program beforehand and started to feel good so got out and about? Damn good you are getting laid and clubbing 5 nights a week and not ending up in brain fog. Can I ask what supplements are you on and how come you are doing so well if all you are on is a multivitamin/multimineral? I don't get it.

Acronym,

see my stepping stones since I joined this forum last march:

My history: http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg406206#msg406206

My initial regimen: http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg406585#msg406585

Playing with Niacin and/or methylation didn't help.

My situation and wrap-up before starting working with Herman, in April: http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg409106#msg409106

My comments on results between June and July:

http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg413866#msg413866
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg414142#msg414142

In 2-3 months, I've gradually dropped all the hormones (T3, pregnenolone) and most of the supplements I was taking (a long list).
I've cut my zinc intake to half and introduced manganese, which was the missing big one in my program. I observed an important improvement at this point: no infections, reduced POIS.
At the beginning of August I dropped zinc/copper/manganese as well, because we thought they did enough of their job to increase the Na/K ratio (indeed my estradiol shifted a bit on the high side, and my ferritin decreased probably because decreased iron absorption). I just left a basic regimen made of balanced multivitamin/multimineral to see how my body would behave, how I would feel and what the hair/blood tests would say 1-2 months after.
While I'm still waiting to do tests, I can say I'm feeling better right now, and can definitively do things I could not do before, as one can see in my previous post. We'll see if there will be any pull away from balance in time, hopefully that won't be the case, otherwise I'll take corrective actions rebalancing minerals and metals.

Work is still in progress, but I'm more than satisfied of this trend.
 

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« Reply #18772 on: 26/08/2013 19:51:54 »
POIS has apparently a new name ; )

http://slavrsyndrome.com/

Looking forward to your comment
 

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« Reply #18773 on: 26/08/2013 21:11:16 »
Hello All:

I suspect that many so proclaimed cures of POIS are symptomatic alleviations. There must be more than 2 health conditions that are impaired in their functions to produce an abnormal response to a hormonal and/or neurotransmitter activity. Addressing a nutritional deficiency alone, either via an adjustment diet or supplementations, may in fact and mostly likely temporarily reduce the expressions of symptoms of Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome. However, leaving the underlying health condition that is in fact is a primary cause of POIS, will be harmful to virtually all organs in the body, with organ diseases implications in the future. One of such implications is the liver impairment symptoms reported symptomatically across the web by those suffering from POIS. Treating liver condition at this point would not resolve the pathology that has caused it to harm the liver tissues in the first place.

The mechanism of symptomatic causes of POIS is a direct manifestation of SLAVR Syndrome. SLAVRS signifies an abnormal response to a metabolic stress via an additive impact of multiple biochemical factors, which in turn affect one of the primary and compromised mechanisms of blood proliferation within tissues, eventually affecting the fluctuating amplitude of microcirculation function. The detailed mechanism of SLAVRS action, its causes, and symptomatic manifestations post sexual climax as observed in POIS and other chronic diseases such as CFS and FMS can be found as documented at slavrsyndrome.com along with a proposed treatment approach to address the underlying causes.

The documentation is incomplete at this time, therefore it will be updated gradually. Specific information pertaining to POIS can be access via the navigational menu on the left.

I hope understanding what affects those who experience POIS will finally bring a relief, get them on the way to recovery while helping their doctors recognize the condition.

If you would like to contribute to the awareness or any other aspect of the project, please use the contact form at slavrsyndrome.com

Thank you and good luck.

P.S.
As a word of caution to those who might currently attempt supplementing with various nutrients as suggested by those who had some successful symptomatic relief. SLAVRS is not caused by the same factor in all of you who experience POIS. If you incur even mild side effects from using a particular supplement, discontinue the use of it immediately as it may directly and irreversibly produce an additive damage the root cause of your issues.
 

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« Reply #18774 on: 26/08/2013 21:15:20 »
SLAVRS

Stop your bs, please. 

It is amazing that some rookies will do some research  and come out with  well known stuff and make up a new name for it.   Did you even study existance of   Vegеtative dystonia?   in russian it is ( вегетососудистая  дистония)  How can you just come out and  put your name on it,  ,    it  is  vegetative  vascular dystonia not some  SLAVRS...  OH MY GOD THIS IS JUST RIDICULOUS. HAHA

http://knowledge-storage.com/medicine/37-medicine/111-vegetative-vascular-dystonia    known for years. End results or  symptoms cause is the acidity of the blood and  calcium metabolsim disorder .The cause of  acidic blood and  calcium  problems is mineral imbalance,  copper mostly but not always, it could be magnesium or zinc deficiency  , it could be cadimum toxicity , it could be alluminum toxicity and so on
That is why I  look at ionized calcium  parameter in blood if I suspect dystonia.

Majority  of people with POIS have very low blood pressure,   so dont try  vasodilators.

Dystonia  ( not  SLAVRS)  is  well known condition  and  it is not caused  by the acidosis or vasolidation,  those are  end effects of the desease and not the primary cause.  The reaction  to stress and stress response is  what causes it ,  but    what lies under  improper  stress response?    liver function and mineral balance , that is what lies  and you  should be ashamed of yourself  of trying to put your stupid name on  something that  already exists. I can give you  hundreds of  links what  dystonia  is and  its  acidity  vasolidation  not causes but end result,  vegetative  system disorder  and so  on. You guys are imposters just as I said in the begining.
 
What new did you come out with that I did not say  half a year ago?  I even talked about dystonia, explaining that condition.

1. Estrogen dominance
2.acetylcholine
3 .histamines

Before posting here you  should have  read the forum and  took part in discussion , but obviously  it took you 6 months to  just copy my posts.  What a pathetic move.
This was discussed here for years and people  already tried everything  that you posted, niacin fenugreek. And so forth.   
Nothing will work   when it is not balanced.  Nitic oxide  is  copper zinc balance for your information, since both of them regulate   NO production.
 
Why would you give advice to people about  the liver or anything else, you  just dont  know. Theoretical observations in blood  is nothing  comparing to practical  stuff. 

thanks you for copying that we were discussing here for half a year. At least  you could have said thank you ,that I posted  all this information  about POIS and you just copied it . Dystonia is not    SLAVRS  and  SLAVRS  does not exist .  Get real.   You wasted your time and money and   for some stupid  reason  desribed dystonia,  or  vegetative  disorder. LOL    Dystonia  could coexist with POIS , but  dystonia is caused by chemical imbalance and  I  have been curing that stuff left and right for a year already by balancing body chemistry. And stop   talking about  people taking  supplements  that they  dont need,    I  test people  as  oppose to you  just  recommending  some  random supplements that you did not even test/

Nutritional balancing is the way to go ,  about this,  dystonia wont be cured by some stupid  relaxation techniques , antidepressants or anything else , beilive me I had it and I had panic attacks with it.
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