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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18775 on: 26/08/2013 22:23:26 »
This will be my last post here on forums. I will no longer monitor the posts. Gbolduev, aggressiveness never helps. Gbolduev, you can bring more stress and confusion to people using these forums more than you may think. If you can fix everybody's issues with zinc, copper, manganese and malic acid, it's a plus.

If you make all doctors idiots and force everyone take zinc, many will get hurt. As a matter of the fact, you cannot treat any conditions as you have been practicing without consequences. Even zinc intake should be done under doctor's supervision. There are people with existing conditions that they are unaware of, where n excessive zinc intake can even result in extremely dangerous side effects. Without an extensive thyroid testing as an example, suggesting zinc intake may invoke serious heart palpitations and in older people may result in heart attack.

If you have read the documentation at slavrsyndrome.com, it is NOT about NO deficiency, or hormonal/neurotransmitter imbalances. It's an abnormal response and health of endothelium lining and it's involvement in NO depletion specifically within capillaries. Unfortunately nutritional imbalances are not the only cause. You have to stop practicing what you are doing and let people find doctors who are qualified to further investigate the causes.

The amount of biochemical interactions is so enormous, that POIS cannot be defined in mineral interactions to rule out every single situation. Zinc and copper balance does affect a lot, yet, those are who are sensitive to this balance are just an example of an underlying condition that is a far reach from zinc and cooper interactions. In a healthy individual, even a moderate ratio imbalance will not produce any noticeable effects. Slavrsyndrome.com simply presents the most significant findings that are attributed to the condition and helps people to deal with the condition. And to your attention, zinc and copper balance was absolutely normal in the number of cases tested. It is up to nutritional and other specialists to determine what exactly went wrong and where.

Slow down on attacking everyone who contradicts you. It's not healthy for you either, you may get your POIS flare up! It seems to me as if you are simply trying to be the "one guy cure". If that's the case, and if you are capable for solving everyone's health issues, investors to help you get your message through. So far, you have been behaving inappropriately throughout many social interaction places on the web, including the Russian forums. It just does not look healthy at all Gbolduev.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18776 on: 26/08/2013 22:40:32 »
First of all, Slavr you dont understand that I am nutritional specialist? do you?  I am trained and  have a degree and I work closely  as a consultant to many   doctors who are  heads of their departments in my free time. Sometimes I work as a researcher  for  complicated  cases. I do this for free and I dont take any money.  My main  job is algorithmic trading of securities and I am very good with all kinds of systems. For some reason  you  constantly   send us to  some miraculous nutritional  specialists? HAHAHAH     they dont exiist.   People went  to every doctor already ,   trying to solve what you wrote on your site, since  we already  knew that stuff  for  years now.

 ^You posted   3 reason for POIS,   estrogen dominance was one of them ,  Estrogen  causes  zinc depletion and copper  retention , hello,  is it not  copper zinc imbalance,  who do you think we are here. Obviosly your testing totally sucked.  Take a hike with your stupid  site. It is worthless. I tested 1000s of people,  saw hairtests, blood tests and  sequencing. 
I created  a system how to  systemize everything that  you are trying to do  in the future, instead of  copying my stuff blindly as you did,  you could have asked for help  and  I would have given it to you , since I dont care about money  as you do, imposter.


Slavrs, you suggest me to have an investor?   just like you ?  It was very obvious that  you are not for non profit ,  trying to imposter existing   conditons  under your name?  Beilive me you will fail, since you are a big time liar and your investor wil be dissappointed, you know why?  since you possess no knowledge and no one will call  vascular dystonia  some stupid SLAVRS.  It is  ridiculous.



POsted by SLAVRS,  even here he lies , which is by the way  illegal.
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"There are people with existing conditions that they are unaware of, where n excessive zinc intake can even result in extremely dangerous side effects. Without an extensive thyroid testing as an example, suggesting zinc intake may invoke serious heart palpitations and in older people may result in heart attack."
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Dear SLavrs, if you read this forum , you would know that I developed a system  how to extensively  test  everyone for thyroid adrenal and all other setups,  the system is fully developed and tested.  Stop contantly  lying  about what I dont do.   I do very balanced  and safe stuff , you dont .
Read the feedbacks from  people that I helped, and shut up already, imposter



Slavrs, you dont contradict me, you just copied me on  your site.
I  even posted what you will say on  your   site in ADVANCE.    How did I know that?  Well I have a gift and I feel people,  and  I felt you right away.   I called you  an imposter and you proved me right.



I was not behaving  propertly on russian forums?    Lets hear the  owner of the russian forum then .  Stop your lies.
It is not one  guy cure, it is understanding what  is going on what is important to me.  And I spend my days  helping people  here and on the russian forum.

and you made up  a name  for an existing condtion  dystonla, and  you have no idea what I know and  how prepared I am, since you dont even understand what mineral balance is, and your site is dangerous  crap, which has absolutely no  solutions  , and  what doctors will  balance you in the world?   WHO?      Vegatative dystonia is known for years?  do you see qualified  people fixing it?  they know the causes, which  you  copied to your site, naming it  SLAVRS.

Stop talking about zinc,   which   you  by the way  recommend on your site .  I dont give zinc  or copper to people,  I  give  exactly needed ingridients for their chemical balance,  which you dont have  any idea about.

Unreal imposters, you  guys.  It is like wearing a fake rolex.  Enjoy while  you  dont meet someone  who  knows their stuff.
 I hate  imposters,   so  to be  so kind to you , I will create  a website where I will explain everything about vegetative dystonia ,  the real causes of it and   I will mention  imposters like you on my site)))   
In russia  everyone knows about this condition and  there are forums  on it with gazzillion people . 
How much money did you spend researching known  facts? 


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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18777 on: 27/08/2013 00:43:23 »
SLAVRS is russian)))  just posted on the russain forum  with no mistakes in russian  whatsoever.

AMAZING,   I  take some one as a patient, then  he turns around  , creates a site and then talks back at me.
I knew something was not right about this guy...

THERE IS NO such  thing as SLAVRS.  It is  vascular dystonia, why would anyone   post that to  russian  forum , everyone in russia  knows what  dystonia is.  And  half of  Moscow  is full of the  practitioners as  Slav mentions who " cure" this ..))))   The only  doctor who I know has a right method is  doctor Skachko who talks about  acidity and  liver function and also   spine function and blood viscosity which is  the same as acidity  really.


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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18778 on: 27/08/2013 00:55:59 »
Gbolduev,

You have to stop obsessing. Any information to help with POIS should be welcome, regardless of its impact. We have 27 people participating in the project, and 2 of them are Russian, 1 Ukrainian, 2 Bulgarians, 4 from Turkey and the rest are from USA. So yes, they will provide information in their native language. Slavrsyndrome.com will be translated in other languages in the near future as well. Any information that will be further acquired will be added to the site as well. The power of Internet is cumulative knowledge. Most of our data comes from the tests and observation of people who are affected by an array of different conditions. The patterns were statistically aggregated and most significant biomarkers identified. There was no information copied as to the source of the tests statistics. The common effects of hormones are well known, however, in the scope of biochemical testing, the patterns were well defined.

I'm personally not Russian, therefore I cannot comment on your findings.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18779 on: 27/08/2013 01:06:17 »
SLAVRS

you research is garbage as far  as I am concerned. I am not obsessing  with your PROJECT.   Stop naming  existing conditions  your made up names. You identified nothing.  And you have no right to name  existing condition  with your  made  up name whatsoever. That is why I will break any attempt of you doing so , I  promise you.
 27 people  decided to benefit  on  peoples  lives?     I dont think so.

What do you mean  nothing was copied,  everything was copied and  the syndrom  that you talk about  is  VSD  syndrom( vascular dystonia , not some SLAVRS, which your russian  guy  would know.
So far  you copied word for word what I wrote here. And I based my stuff on studies and lab tests not some observations.
There is no such as thing as  Slavrs and wont ever be.  Get real .

PLUS you were complaining about time limitations  and  diffuculty  of creating  your project.  ANOTHER HUGE LIE
NOW you will have it  translated in  many languages? AHAHHA

Trust me , just for the sake of it, I will create a site  about Dystonia and your project will stay  NON PROFIT FOR EVER..

PLus you  said you wont post here again?   what happened?
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18780 on: 27/08/2013 01:21:58 »
I'm sorry, I forgot to make an emphasis on the fact that all tests were done at expense of all of us participating in the project. Although not all of us who participate in the project were affected by a chronic illness, those who were affected, are currently progressively recover and doing very well. The POIS alleviation was immediate upon correcting the biochemical discrepancies found, thus, the reason for slavrsyndrome.com

In our progress so far, even minor adjustments to biochemical imbalances completely relieved the affected people of POIS symptoms and tremendously helped other conditions, such as CFS and FMS. Yet, the disappearance of POIS symptoms does NOT qualify to be a cure because all of the abnormal conditions do still present. In our experience, the POIS is expressed the most when the body is moderately affected by one or more conditions. This is the reason when you personally address the condition with nutritional or hormonal balancing Gbolduev, the POIS symptoms seem to be alleviated, yet, in reality, the underlying causes remain to be unaddressed. We will continue posting the relevant testing approaches as time goes on.

As for your case, you were affected particularly by over supplementing on zinc Gbolduev, becoming hypothyroid, which led to consequences and symptoms of POIS. This was the reason you recovered from balancing zinc, copper, manganese and other mineral imbalances. This obviously brought you to the point of being obsessive with the results you have gained. In our experience, POIS can be result of significantly more factors, including chronic expressions of herpes family of viruses for example as an additive effect to the impaired vascular health. And no, vascular dystonia has nothing to do with microcapillary health predominantly. Vascular dystonia affects arteries and veins and the systematic blood pressure is affected, whereas in POIS, CFS and FMS, it’s not. Perhaps you can do a research on the web regarding this subject.

You have to stop this nonsense because it does not benefit anyone.

And there are no plans for profit of any kind. It’s strictly informational; although your drive and the way you offend anyone coming in what you think is YOUR domain is ridiculous. You do not own estrogen and how progesterone is made in a human body. You read it off the web and keep posting it over and over as if you have discovered it yourself. You did not discover POIS, and your experience with telling people which vitamins to take is limited in the scope of nutritional adjustments.

Good luck and take it easy. No more arguments and wasting time talking to Gbolduev.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18781 on: 27/08/2013 01:34:44 »
SLAVRS

THis is  what you posted:
In our progress so far, even minor adjustments to biochemical imbalances completely relieved the affected people of POIS symptoms and tremendously helped other conditions, such as CFS and FMS.


Minor adjustments? ahahhahah   how is this different what I am  doing , I dont get.  Only I am not doing  minor adjustments I am  doing  total adjustments of the body chemistry  to the perfect state. And I dont guess like you ,  I  see exactly  what to give in what ratios,  and for how long.

Dont make predictions of my condition. I had  hyperthyroid that lead to POIS not hypo.  You dont understand balance at all, if you did   you would not argue with me here but would listen.  And yes  the condition that you  desribe is  vegetative  vascular dystonia   and yes  it involves blood pressure and  capillars ,  which is  well known in russia and  treated on every corner by every  nutritionist.  I had it  . My blood pressure would go up and down and I had POIS, I would have tachicardia which  what happens  with dystonia. May be  you should have done some research before   creating your bogus    portal.

POIS does not affect blood pressure? Please stop your lies/ Obviously you tested   stuff wrong

Which people got better amongst you ?  you never posted here  EVER  none of you, which is impossible, SO STOP YOUR LIES
The results of the treatment  are pathetic.   And I am  not masking the desease , actually  you are suggesting to mask it, by   stupid herbs and  drugs  that you are suggestig on your  site.  How can  you  even talk to me about it.  YOu are suggesting   supplements,  SOme stupid exercises  .  it is  a joke.  It is exactly what is done  for dystonia  in Russia,  it does not work.

You claim you dont know the cause of it.  So  why are you ever opening  your mouth. You have no suggestions whatsoever  on your site. 
I dont balance out  only thyroid, I balance   out methylation,  liver,  adrenals,   thyroid,  every organ. 
You should  read the work  of Dr  Wilson,   and  you will see how pathetic  your site is in comparison even to him. And I go much deeper comparing   blood  , hair and  behaviour/
I  see exactly how to balance people, since I test them.  Every single person gets tested and  what do you suggest?  you suggest nothing.    Some pathetic exercises?    And supplements,  that you can  suggest but for some reason I cant?   

I systemized POIS into every  single cause of it,  main conditions are  inflammatory and  infectionous,  where  NA/K ratio  in the cell,  either  too high or too low.   Condtions like herpes ( viral)  or  candida  bacterial are not  the causes , AHAH, they are results of the imblance.  YOU should definetle study  some more biochemistry and  do more tests.  Herpes goes away ,  with the  thyroid going up,  candida goes away with adrenals going up.   
It is very simple.    If you are in balance ,  you wont have candida nor herpes.   Now you have to find how to balance  adrenals  and thyroid   against each other and  at the same time CA/P ratio which is  acidity  ratio, which you are taking about.

In the cell, you need to balance NA/K   CA/MG    NA/MG   CA/K   and CA/P . I do it all at once.  YOu  with your  stupid suggestions  will fix somethign and  screw the other thing, and you dont even have the way to   see it.
SO please stop  your stupid remarks about  me not knowing my stuff. And  balancing something one sided.   
Take notes. By balancing all these ratios at once I eliminate all imbalances in the body,  sugar problems,insulin resistance,   candida, herpes, diabetes  and even cancer,   dystonia and POIS, fibromalgia,  CFS,   you name it.  But  there are conditions  which cant be  fixed without constant supplementation , like Wilsons, or pyroluria. Where they are mutations in the enzymes  systems.
I have results  of 100s people completely cured of CFS and kickin like there is no tommorow now. And they are totally balanced.  There are some people who are  getting balanced on this forum also, and  not for POIS,  all the health aspects improve at once,  read the forum  and see.  If you were smart enough you would contact me and I would  explain  to you  what I know and what you should know and  what  should be done with your  portal and what  should not.


YOu make absolutely no sense.    And stop  calling vegetative  dystonia   some SLAVRS, it got old

So far you cured NOBODY, and   you  trying to be an imposter of an existing syndrom.

Of course I did not discover POIS, although I posted  the cause of POIS half a year earlier than you ,  and I did not name  it   GBOLDUEV syndrom.
And by the looks of your site,  you just copied what I  posted, since it is  just amazingly  the SAME. Sometimes even with the same  wordings and explanations,  although  on your site it is complete wrong.  During stress,  NORADRENALINE goes up ,  which causes  raise in  bound copper and  estradiol.    And nothing goes over  any upper limit,  it is just the gap between  aldosterone and cortisol  increases and  the  ifllammation results.  I cant believe someone would write on their website what you wrote. It  is complitely not medical and you dont know how the processes work.  You are fraud.

One last remark ,  I have tested blood PH levels of many POIS suffers and CFS patients,   For your info  the PH varies  so much it is not funny, to either side,,  CA/P ratio  could be high and low and in both conditions  you will have  POIS and  CFS... Same as in high or low thyroid,  which is high and low Calcium which  makes you high or low acidity and viscocity .  So please  stop YOUR NONSENSE. 
 

And why are you still posting?
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18782 on: 27/08/2013 05:03:11 »
Dr Lin,

These are the tests of our member   fornicationDENIED2.  If this  not some kind of a joke.
It would be nice if he could come  out and say how he feels on  copper and cadimum. It would be nice to hear.

They are many different cases for POIS. And as I understand that zinc copper balance is essential   for POIS sufferers.
Zinc toxicity  is not  the cause for POIS in all cases...  Although  zinc toxicity would lead to low NA/K ratio  and  definetely  effect POIS, same as  zinc deficiency would.
I have no idea why would you feed cadmium  to  this person... If you suspect this person to be hyperthyroid  , then copper  supplements would help ,  also if you suspect zinc toxicity  then  manganese  must be low in  the body .


What I wanted to  add, that I think you  are in a correct way of thinking with zinc copper balance but I would never feed cadmium  to   anybody.  In actuality  cadmium  puts copper back into tissues and  it antagonisez both zinc and copper.

COPPER DEFICIENCY OR COPPER TOXICITY CAUSES POIS, so  you can  say that  zinc toxicity causes POIS also.
That was written by me half a year ago. )))
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18783 on: 27/08/2013 05:26:07 »
... I recommended him high doses of cadmium ...

Quote from: wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadmium
cadmium has no known biological function in higher organisms
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadmium

Quote from: wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadmium_poisoning
Cadmium is an extremely toxic metal commonly found in industrial workplaces. Due to its low permissible exposure limit, overexposures may occur even in situations where trace quantities of cadmium are found.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadmium_poisoning

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itai-itai_disease
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18784 on: 27/08/2013 05:36:27 »
RD is correct on this one.  Many people got their POIS from  cadmium  in  marijuanna,  which  as DR LIN "properly  noticed "  LOL   sometimes causes hyperthyrodism and  antagonisez both copper and zinc.

Dr LIn  it is really funny you would  give someone cadmium,  how about  we   take  mercury  and lead  along with it.
May be some Arsenic too. LOL

This is  just trolling  since no doctor  would recommend this, and whoever is doing this  should be ashamed   , I  guess it is  SLAVRS and his people , to keep  attention away from  his stupid imposterous attempt to rename    VVD(  Vegetaitive  Vascular Dystonia).

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18785 on: 27/08/2013 08:11:20 »
SLVARS


I know what you are doing , I guess you are trying to suck more information out of me, so you can copy more of it on your  fraud site. Stop SLAVRing  your BS here.  We are not stupid.   VVD is Vegetative  Vascular Dystonia  and not some garbage  SLAVRS , I just cant  get over  what nerv you have to  try to mascarade it and it is not a syndrom  which CFS and fibromalgia and POIS are based on,  it is just an imbalance  which rises  from   imbalance in Ca/Mg ratio and  NA/K ratio , which is sugar ratio and  also   vasodilator ratio. Manganese gets affected ( which directly affects  acetylcholine syntethis) and  also ammonia levels.and you get fatique as in CFS..  VVD (Dystonia)  should be in  the same row with  CFS and fibromalgia and POIS and other imbalances , and not as the cause of them. LOL       
Unreal  that someone invested money in your project. AS you  claim you had no  medical authority  in your research, and that is  obvious  if you did not  even know that V VD (vegetative  vascular dystonia )already exists and what it is and just  basically  copied information from any  russian  website on that topic, which by the way there are  hundreds for VVD and every clinic has  their own  proprietory method of fixing the disorder. 

And dont send your guys here posting  bs about miraclulous cures either,  if you want to prove that you know something , take one guy from the forum and fix him.  Oh wait,  I forgot you have no idea how, he has to  go to some miraculous practitioner.  Do you understand that this is pathetic?


And one more thing, remember you said it woudl take 3 weeks to  get your site up?    well, I made a bet with people  from this forum that you will be up in a week, and you were..    What happened? the  investor got scared or something?  You and your gang are so obvious  and I would  spend much effort to  make sure  your  information  does not litter peoples  brains. Especially since you  blintly stole it and  have no idea how  I got to it.
And  your syndrome  does not exist,  it is like me calling   AIDS  "  you are screwed  syndrome"

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18786 on: 27/08/2013 14:19:34 »
B_Jim I completely agree that we should be courteous to all people that are trying to help.  Which is exactly why we should show no courtesy to "Dr" Lin. 

I'd like to have Lin banned immediately for promoting his own products on here.  He's sold bogus medicine to desperate individuals on his website for years and ought to be ashamed of himself.  The members of ours that have tried his snake oil in the past were lucky if they felt no effect.  Some got significantly worse.  I think people like him are what's wrong with the world.   

Please also note that he's not an MD.  He's an engineering phd who's trying to get rich quick.  This is from his website:

"One day in 1996, I read a cartoon about how to become a millionaire by writing and selling a book. I was so excited. Sex can be a powerful topic to sell since  it is what everybody wants to know but are afraid  of asking.  A mystic power motivates me to compile my sexual knowledge together into a book called " Resonant Excitation of Sexual Orgasms - Tao of Love Coupling"  based  upon my bioelectromagnetic theory of the brain and nervous systems.
http://actionlove.com/love/book.htm

I termed my writing into a CD-ROM e-book and launched my website linplaza.com to sell this e-book over internet. At that time, I considered there would be no publishers to accept my English writing or my sex theory. I hit a jackpot by selling this book which indeed turned myself into a sexual engineering expert!

Thereafter, I quit my engineering professional and walked into a strange field...."   


Arguing with this guy about why our bodies don't need cadmium is a disgrace to a science forum. 

Lin, you're an B1 B2 B2 B6 A9 B9 A3.  Please go take a long walk on a short pier.
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« Reply #18787 on: 27/08/2013 15:25:19 »
I was never contacted by this "Dr. Lin", if I wanted to intoxicate myself I would drink tap water (in my country tap water is very contaminated, including the infamous flouride etc., who knows, maybe I am intoxicated and don't know it yet). I should have known posting test results on the internet was useless and only I can help myself. Had a hard time getting a few tests done, since I live in a US commonwealth, medical system is the same as US, have to go through greedy selfish doctors and testing is too expensive. Apart from the economic disaster that both the US and our government created (wich I can't explain on forum in detail) I am short on money to consult anyone or test not covered by medical plan. What I got now is inconclusive, medical plan expired, Gbolduev cant offer help to anyone anymore making the interpretation of my few specific tests hard and I have to deal with opportunists toying my misfortune without consent.

Got something important to say send me an email, I will take a break from the forums     
 

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« Reply #18788 on: 27/08/2013 15:27:35 »
Daniel

Wow,  is this for real   with this doctor Lin.  AHAHAHHA  . I decided to get rich overnight.HAHAH   this guy not only should be banned, but  also  prosecuted.   Amazing nerv.   To me Slavrs is not any better,  at least Dr Lin shows you who he is ,  as oppose to slavs operation is  obviously  thought thru and has  a very obvious agenda.  I just dont  like  to  feel stupid,  when some body come out , uses some bookish language and just  blindly  copies everything from everywhere  claiming it  as  authentic. ( on the Slavs  POIS page, you see exactly what I  said he would post))  And when comfronted about it ,   you just get some more bookish words and nothing to support the claim, just  some general  words. 

But  Dr Lin clown is at least authentic,   I doubt  you would hear anyone recommend  cadmium.  Although  I  can  inform you that  dr Eck  once said that if he had  no morals,  and he would   have to make a drug, he would make a cadmium  pill.  Cadmium  puts copper momentarily  into the tissues, and some people will have a  drug  effect of  happiness and stability  from it , of course it will damage your  health in the  long run.

So by no means I would listen to  Dr Lins advice on cadmium , and as far as Slavrs is concerned,  well,  you have been reading exactly the same information  here,  interestingly enough this was the exact time  of Slavrs  research ))))   After which  he conveniently  posted what I have been saying here for months and    ripped off  VVD (Vegetative  Vascular Dystonia)  on top of it  to  make authentic  claim otherwise  his  investors money did not make any sense.  I guess he did not expect people to know stuff about VVD( Vegetative  Vascular Dystonia) and  what it is and will try by all means( mostly  LIES)   distant himself from  it.  But it is too late.

I am  here to protect POISers, so  no  CLOWNS will get rich overnight benefing  on something that  should be sacred  like sex.  ( I could not beilive what  I  read, when Daniel posted,  this is unheard off).  I think I  should  track that  dude down,  because of Doctors like that   my wife is DEAD.
 

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« Reply #18789 on: 27/08/2013 15:29:13 »
fornicationDenied2,

contact me on the e-mail,  I will help you . 

As I said ,  that was  100% Slavrs  trolling with Dr lin thing. I have very good intuition  for people like  that . And now you know what they are capable off.
Sorry  Denied2 that they used  your  tests /
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« Reply #18790 on: 27/08/2013 23:19:59 »
Good afternoon all,

This post’s intention is to provide you with information on how and why slavrsyndome.com was born.

It started from 2 friends who incidentally found out they were affected by an extreme fatigue and pains which seemed to have a pattern after being sexual. One of them was affected by it even without experiencing a sexual climax. A significant sexual arousal had triggered it for him. The other person is an older gentleman who was married for over 30 years but as far as he remembered, he experienced the side effects from sex since his teens. Both of these people worked in a biochemical production facility as technical engineers, and became friends there. One day while at lunch, they had a conversation that led them to discuss their negative aspects of sexual life. Now this has happened over 10 years ago. Since then, just as many of you, they have attempted to find an explanation of their issues with the local medical providers. Besides the minor findings in their bloodwork, nothing significant was found using the standard routines performed by practicing doctors in the US. Obviously 15-minute PC and specialist appointments and a big number of those, led to no explanations. Yes, some minor hormonal and nutritional abnormalities, but nothing that would be indicative of a serious issue.

A few years later, the older gentleman got sick. His lymphocyte counts were very low, high levels of urine creatinine, pathology of blast cells in the blood, high SED rates, abnormal pancreas tests, and blood in urine, diarrhea that continued for 3 months until he lost more than 45 pounds. Later became a suspect for tuberculosis since the symptoms were horrendous. He was hospitalized and a few days later after some stabilizing IVs was discharged. His tuberculosis tests were negative. He was prescribed anti-inflammatory drugs, cortisone, a beta-blocker, and some other things I don’t already remember he told me about. The surprise was, after he took the beta blockers, his symptoms drastically improved and he basically recovered within 1 month, gained his weight back. His friend at that time was stable, experiencing the issues after sex, but they both never connected the older gentleman’s hospitalization to their problems after sex. When he stopped taking the beta blocker, his symptoms started to come back. And again he was off to doctors trying to find the root cause. No significant findings were observed. He resumed taking the beta blockers and returned to work.

As years went by, both of these guys started noticing the patterns in their symptoms and they were very consistent. The younger individual started using beta blockers, and even though it offered a significant relief that most here on forums referred to as a cure, they realized it was not. At the end of 2012, after talking to doctors and searching the web for answers, nothing but workarounds could be found. They became proactive and attended a few seminars that were aimed at various chronic diseases. There, they had met more people like them - all were affected a little differently. The seminars provided very educational insights on the issue of chronic diseases. They all knew that something disturbed their inner balance, but what was exact pathology that would explain such a wide range of symptoms could not be explained. Infections, toxicity, and all kinds of things were put into discussions.

On the other hand the number of people (now involved in non-profit slavrsyndrome.com awareness project) who were consistently keeping in touch with their findings on a personal basis, grew. When it reached 27 people, we all invested between $500 & $6500 to pay for an organized batch of tests once the plan was developed. We simply wanted to know “what the heck!”.

We have found quite a few individuals inside and outside the US who were willing to do the tests at our expense. Everyone who participated in testing was on a control diet for 3 weeks, meaning excluding all possible foods that could cause some sort of distress. Everyone was tested pre, post and 8 days later post a stressor that caused the symptoms. And keep in mind, that the amount of money we had, offered us a limited number of tests, but we narrowed it down to hormonal, neurotransmitter, nutritional, hepatic and a few other tests that were essential. To our surprise, everyone had different abnormalities expressed within the relapse cycle yet, a completely opposite outside the relapses. But, there were some patterns, which we found to be significant. And this is how SLAVR Syndrome awareness project was born. We simply posted the cumulative efforts and findings for everyone to see. The most important fact is that we found one very strong consistency, which pointed that the symptoms were of the vascular nature. This is what slavrsyndrome.com is about. It’s an emphasis that many of us who were affected by one or another chronic illness expressed either as a POIS, CFS, FMS and others had problems with circulation within the organs and not a cardiovascular system. As we had found out later, “liver flushing” had basically provided a better blood circulation, improving its function temporarily. It was not about flushing out the toxins! As soon as we started treating the condition as a vascular syndrome, the symptoms would start to resolve. And most importantly, the livers would start producing the soooo needed bile flow that was impaired in 35% of affected. Obviously, the causes of this syndrome could probably be “endless”. Just as “what causes high cholesterol?” If there was one cause to treat, everyone would be cured.

As a conclusion, it would be somewhat unreasonable to search for the EXACT cause for POIS that would apply to everyone. You may improve one function of your body, and it would help, just like the mineral balancing does for those who need it. But does it treat all underlying issues that caused this disaster in the first place? Probably not. We also found that POIS appears to be a genetic predisposition as well, from analyzing about 75 peoples' family history. A genetically predisposed to a vascular disease individual, may have enough capacity of the vascular system to operate until a certain age, usually 15-20 years young, after which, the natural narrowing of capillaries would induce the syndrome. And there would be little or no external causes to this.

We posted the information on slavrsyndrome as an education resource from OUR findings. There is no intention to monetize on this information, and is simply our contribution. You will find no more major changes to the website, other than some functional updates or any other findings that may come from OUR limited research.

The syndrome abbreviation did not come from a name. It came from the functional representation, which means: SELF-LIMITED (it has remissions and resolves along with organ health) ATYPICAL (abnormal) VASCULAR (this one you know) RESPONSE (post stress) SYNDROME. I don’t understand where maniac Gbolduev goes with this. We had to give it some type of a name that would be a reflection of our findings.

Now whether you find it valuable to your case or not, is going to be your experience. The information was put together in a very rough manner, as all of us have jobs, families and interests to attend to, and no time to dedicate to significant matters such as chronic illnesses. What we have learned, helped us to regain the sanity in our lives, and we’re EXCITED to share it with people like you. There is no conspiracy to this.

Gbolduev’s position I either don't understand or AFRAID to understand. He started making aggressive posts on the forums promoting online bullying and other inappreciable methods.

I do not read his messages as they are speculative in nature, based on wrong assumptions and aggressive and most commonly offensive. If he is trying to treat people and get his name "recognized" It's his BUSINESS. But there seems to be more involvement there. If he is against people that get paid for what they do, such as doctors, then he should attack poiscenter.com that is running a finding program to find a cause of pois, as the person who runs the forums even prevents any information posted on his forums.

I think we have enough problems in our societies already. Why add to rage??? Why offend others??? Why discriminate the opinions?

“trolling with Dr lin” ??? Gbolduev, grow up. Dr. Lin is your competitor, isn't he? Why don't you attack every single post on the web that discusses health? A lot of information on the web is contradicting. And people have the right to post and share their experiences. It's up to the readers to decide if they want to know it or not. Run a script on a bunch of servers and take the ENTIRE medical research community down! Shut down the hospitals, burn the drugs, you are the man!

You should pay respect to other people and their efforts, otherwise no one will pay respect to you. The social interaction is about listening, accepting, realizing your faults, providing a feedback and improving on the understanding of issues. It's not about a "wolf and his piece of land". And you seem to have animal instincts - biting, pissing, making noises and worst of all, doing it behind other peoples' backs. I'm pretty confident, should you be in the crowd, you'd be the first to punch people's faces. And that's what you do on forums. You have been told to stop bullying other people many times on other forums. In all different languages, and by many different people.You have thousands of "clients", get a couple of them well and be happy. Until then, just stop this idiocy. To keep even one person in good health, you'd need to spend lifetime. "Thousands" sounds more than outside of the scope an medical institution can handle.

And on the last note, you do realize Gbolduev where your success with zinc, copper and manganese comes? Including other vitamins and nutrients you suggest? You affect the metabolic status, most importantly through the thyroid function. This attenuates the stress response, and the neurological impact on the vascular system. It does not necessarily address the root issue as to WHY this person's vascular system is under chronic vasoconstriction state. Yes, the symptoms with all your suggestions may improve, but the full remission is unlikely until the vascular health is addressed. We have provided the clues and the reason for POIS to occur in the first place to let others find a best approach to resolve each individual case.

Marc.
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« Reply #18791 on: 27/08/2013 23:34:57 »
And Gbolduev, stop corrupting everyone's ideas. The informational freedom is NOT your domain. Do your thing, treat your "patients"and proclaim yourself the "know it all". It's your choice. Yet, do NOT make wars. It's immoral and your behavioral patterns seem abnormal.

If you have 100% solution for people suffering from symptoms here, post your solution so that people could use it to help themselves. At slavrsyndrome.com we did post everything we knew up to this point as per our own research and not per your theories on "how progesterone is made or how niacin affects ammonia and results in reduction of symptoms", which is absolutely irrelevant in the scope of the condition. Not progesterone, not zinc, not manganese, not thyroid hormones, not estrogen and all other things you throw at people here are responsible for the disease alone and not in the way you describe they affect their symptoms. Playing with hormones and nutrition will influence the symptomatology, yet, it will not necessarily address their issues. The body is NOT made of 20 elements you keep drooling on all the time.

On the other hand, I'm a little skeptical in your professional competency as you have stated before that you caused your own POIS by "taking too much zinc when you were under stress" which caused your POIS. How is it a so knowledgeable nutritional specialist does it to himself to lead it to such an extreme as POIS? Aren't these basics??? Then you state about fasting for 25 days, giving people literally a sure way to harm themselves so profoundly, they may never recover? Do you even realize what impact your "fly-by" statements mean? Do you comprehend that some people are trying things you carelessly post? Even a healthy individual may damage the pancreas significantly within 10 days of fasting?

People can do their own hair tests and see what minerals they need, and ask their doctors about the meaning of their hormone tests. Even the hair test labs provide with sufficient interpretation, which you actually post everywhere as your own finding. People may not need your advise to "add copper to reduce the zinc or add zinc to reduce the copper". The impact of these adjustments alone will not produce any significant improvements. Or how to balance this and that. It's all available freely in the public domain without your self proclaimed help. You are confusing the heck out of people with your balancing. It will produce more negative effects on these people and MORE than you can imagine. With all your advises, and right now, people are getting hurt, because zinc deficiency alone does NOT mean a person needs an immediate supplementation with zinc. There must be other issues that cause this person to be deficient some minerals. I'm just using zinc as an example obviously, since you are toying with any nutrient you can find on the web, that's somehow connected to the issues you had when you literally poisoned yourself with zinc. Yes, you CAN poison yourself with zinc.

This got to the point of being disgusting, Gbolduev. I'm absolutely terrified to hear what you do, how you do it, what type of person you are in real life. Just read your posts, they smell. You produce pollution of information that leads to endless discussions that do not help with issues people may have. You take a title of a "nutritional specialist that trains doctors", yet, your knowledge is very limited and you bounce back and forth between basics, finding studies on the web, and rewriting their content in your own words. A real professional nutritional specialist will not entertain himself posting on the forums about what bacteria produces ammonia and how it affects POIS. A specialist will most likely be spending most of his time on self development and making conclusions he can apply in real practice attending to a limited number of individuals, long term. Most nutritional specialists can handle about 30-100 patients in their practice IF the practice is well organized. You treat thousands on the other hand! And you are soooo good at other things, and you have so much time too to sit all day and post and post and post.

In the end Gbolduev, if you were such a specialist, why has it never occurred to you that estrogen, progesterone and all other things you've played with affect the most important part of a human body - the vascular system?  As much as you are knowledgeable, you had never addressed the most important issues, toying with hormones and supplements. How can you treat people with such a limited testing???

Do you know their family history? Vascular diseases they have been predisposed to?
Is human body really that simple as the 10 hormones, minerals and vitamins you are drooling on?
Is nutritional balancing a really a cure to all diseases?
Can you fix DNA with nutritional balancing?
Are all these people really so toxic their bodies just give up?
Is copper toxicity such a prevalent issue???
Why zinc and copper ratios vary so much from person to person and never affects healthy people?

You ridicule yourself with EVERY POST YOU MAKE.

Who needs to know all this information about biochemistry you post if people do not know what's going on with them in the first place? Theories about metal toxicity? Those who specialize in biochemistry having a hard time understanding the interactions. Yet, Mr. Gbolduev knew it all before anyone. Mr. Gbolduev had already knew what slavrsyndrome.com is going to be about. Mr. Gbolduev has a system that works 100%. Mr. Gbolduev treated thousands of cases with zinc, copper, manganese and vitamin B5 supplement in his free time free of charge, and all these people are now happy and healthy forever. Mr. Gbolduev you are godsend. Please help us all. The whole medical industry needs to be re-educated to do what they do. Nobody gets any help from doctors, only Mr. Gbolduev has it nailed. You keep educating and consulting your doctors all the time, and they just stay stupid and uneducated! All the correct information on the web is just what Mr. Gbolduev knew before it was discovered. They have just copied his thoughts and ideas.

I have read some of your posts on social sites and how you claimed you know everything about everything, and GUARANTEED to people to CURE THEM while all other doctors' opinions were pissed at. How do you even explain this type of behavior? You absolutely have mental issues that need to be addressed by a so called "stupid" professional doctor that "wasted" all his life to be in the position he is in.

As for our efforts, we do not seek anything in return. We have discovered and narrowed it down to the capillaries and sinusoids which is the MAJOR eye opening factor in POIS history. Understanding the nature of it, is what WILL help these people to manage their symptoms and get a more targeted treatment. Nutritional balancing is not a solution alone, although it may alleviate the symptoms. People should know that so called "balancing" may not rule out other conditions, even genetic. You feed your so called "patients" with vitamins and minerals and spinach alone, their symptoms may improve in as much as in 10-15%, and may hide the potentially dangerous conditions. Do you even realize it????? How dare you to "treat" people without proper diagnostics and a real patient history and a doctoral degree? You are a nutritional specialist, and not a scientist, or even a doctor. Stop practicing what's illegal. Because you may become one of those that kill people. You reduce / mask their symptoms, and they go on their way, while a real condition may progress.

newbielink:http://slavrsyndrome.com/ [nonactive] is there for only one purpose - AWARENESS. It's a supplemental information to help in diagnosis. It's there to let people understand that POIS is vascular in nature and should be treated as such. Many cardiovascular conditions can cause POIS alone, and as long as people know what they are dealing with, it will only help them.

What a waste of time talking to an obsessed individual that posts so much misleading information! These forums are being abused at this point. I'll refrain from posting from now on. I'm sorry, but Gbolduev just got on my nerves and intoxicated me and 2 other people involved in our project with his aggressiveness and ignorance towards the values of social respect.

As for the "CURE" for POIS, there will most likely be no single finding that would apply to everyone of you and that could be fixed with a single "drug". In Western medicine and only under prescription of a doctor, the fastest way to get a relief from POIS symptoms is to use a beta-blocker such as propranolol, some time before the stressor, such as an orgasm. In Eastern domain, it's overall body health that needs to be addressed, specifically the capillary health yet, using natural vasodilating agents will immediately relieve you of most symptoms in stages 1 and 2 as described at newbielink:http://slavrsyndrome.com [nonactive]

Not knowing what POIS was, actually was the worst part. Now we know.

Marc.
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« Reply #18792 on: 28/08/2013 00:08:47 »
hum...Can't wait for the Herman's answer...not sure it will go in a scientific direction...but surely entertaining ; )
 

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« Reply #18793 on: 28/08/2013 01:59:29 »
It'll be interesting to watch the responses that's for sure.

Sorry slavrs, I didn't realize that SLAVRS is actually an acronym and not actually your name (which was the impression I got from reading other posts). I visited the slavrsyndrome website, and I actually don't see anywhere where money is being requested or where something is being sold for a profit. It was very lazy of me not to visit the website before, just to check it out. (I once again relied on earlier posts giving me the impression that you were selling something.)

I'm going to watch from the sidelines for a little bit and not post anything for a while to see where the discussion goes.

I take no sides of course, have no bias and, like everyone else, am interested only in reading correct information that could lead to a cure. Herman seems very legitimate to me (and slavrs does too). If slavrs is truly not advertising, requesting money or recommending that people take something dangerous (if he is, someone needs to please prove all this and show where), then of course it would be wrong to censor him. Also, I respect Herman a lot and he's a very smart guy, but I agree that it does tend to get annoying and very concerning when he is constantly giving snappy responses to everyone he disagrees with. Facts and science usually speak for themselves and require very little emotion. By the way, Herman has also directly claimed here that there is a cure for cancer. If you have a cure for cancer Herman, please do us a favor and share that with the medical community tonight so you can save the 7.6 million people that that die every year from it. If Herman's right about POIS in the end, great! If "slavrs" (Marc) is right in the end, fantastic! If someone else finds the cause & cure, then that's great too, but until then it would be great to not prematurely accuse people of advertising or giving wrong information without any proof.
 

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« Reply #18794 on: 28/08/2013 02:42:45 »
hum...Can't wait for the Herman's answer...not sure it will go in a scientific direction...but surely entertaining ; )

It would definitely be entertaining. But it's got to stop.  This is ruining progress in the forum and too much of this will eventually lead to reprecussions, like an instatement of strict rules or worse yet the closing of this forum (as CertainlyPOIS has warned about).

And i think most important of all is that we're all playing on the same team and should be working together.

A few points i'd like to make: Herman, slavrs didnt steal your idea. And if things he says appear similar to yours, that's a really good thing because it shows simarities between your theories. If what he's describing is dystonia then i think he'd be interested to learn that. He clearly has no profit motive here and isnt trying to feed us BS to make money (like "Dr" Lin does for a living). Lastly,  Herman, many of us love to hear your take on things. So keep doing it. But if people are phony it'll play out over time. You gotta give ppl a chance.

Slavrs:  This website had been up and running for +/- 6 yrs now.  We are the largest body of POIS members in the world and between us we track a good amount of every sexual fatigue related article or study or website that's ever come out.  We know all the top specialists as well.  If you come in and deliver a vague statement that you have organised a study of 27 individuals and have solved the riddle we've been working on for most of our lives, we have good reason to be skeptical.  It seems like every few weeks we get another nutjob that claims he can help. Please see "Dr" Lin's post above if u want a good example. This guy is the worst of the worst and is trying to sell us large doses of cadmium if u can believe it.
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« Reply #18795 on: 28/08/2013 03:45:11 »
In addition to us naturally being skeptical, you exacerbated the problem by initially telling us nothing about yourself or how you got started.  People put on masks to hide their identity when they rob banks; not when you're helping people.  I personally feel better now that youve told us about yourself but I still am a bit perplexed in how you 27 individuals managed to not find us over the last 6 years, and how you grew to a size of 27 without us hearing about you- but it's certainly possible and i no longer doubt it.

I will say that im impressed that your group managed to align the interests of all of your members and collect money and perform a study.  We tried to do something similar here but it quickly turned political.  Two of the guys that were leading the fund-raising left to create their own island called poiscenter.com (that you apparently found). It took over a year to raise the $33k and during the fund-raising period people started to raise mixed feelings about the management of the study.  The two guys basically responded by making their island uninhabitable for many of us by restricting lots of posting.  Another member on this forum once quipped to me "[poiscenter] is possibly the only sufferers support forum in the world where people can't even discuss their disease."  At this point in time, the forums are divided in that poiscenter manages the $33k study and here on this forum we continue to scientifically discuss our pois theories.

In regards to Gbolduev, he's naturally skeptical and defensive. Please remember youve been around a few days whereas he's devoted a ton of his time to us over the last 8 months. as an aside I believe we owe him a great debt of gratitude for his time.  The nutritional balancing that he endorses takes years to fully work. But many of those of us that have been on it for a while are feeling the best we ever have. And unlike you stated, the goal of his treatment is not a short term cover-up of the symptoms, but a full cellular and blood level eradication of the underlying cause.  This is proved by improving blood test results, not just symptomatic relief.  Believe it or not, it may turn out that you and your 26 members might be lucky to have found us as opposed to us you.  This will be exciting to see.

In sum, Slavrs, we appreciate you reaching out to us.  We'd be interested in having your members join our forum to discuss their personal experiences with and their recovery paths so that we may learn from you.  Or create a section on your website where we can read personal stories and post questions to your members. Let's learn from each other. Welcome to the forum.
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« Reply #18796 on: 28/08/2013 03:56:28 »
Daniel,

That's understandable. Yet, the fact is that the POIS is no longer a MYSTERY ILLNESS as to the aspects of the symptomatic causes. All these supplements that were used for years without realizing their actual affect on those with POIS, were the mystery. As in example of the fenugreek, why did it help? Simple. It dilated capillaries. Without getting in all the talk about how estrogen dilates the capillaries, it's a powerful estrogen and progesterone receptor binding agent. I would assume in the 2/1 ratio. The same action is used by lactating women - it dilates their ducts and improves microcirculation without raising their estrogen levels. Or why niacin does work for some and doesn't for others.

The vascular nature of the condition, explains the effects of all vasoconstrictors and vasodilators people have been using with success as described here:
newbielink:http://slavrsyndrome.com/conditions/pois-post-orgasmic-illness-syndrome/ [nonactive]

I'm very happy we could provide another clue to the cumulative efforts to solve another puzzle.

To reduce "the toxic load" I will not reply or engage with posts pertaining to "Gbolduev" attacks. He is welcome to take credit for everything humanity knows. As long as it helps.

Marc.
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« Reply #18797 on: 28/08/2013 04:08:05 »
Hi
Mark
You'll sell dietary supplements as Dr. Richards?

Johnny.
 

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« Reply #18798 on: 28/08/2013 04:12:39 »
We discussed vasorestrictors / vasodialators for a long period of time here but were left with many question marks.

Of your 27 members, could you provide some color on avg percent relief from treatment/ management and at some point round up a few personal stories to share? Thanks
 

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« Reply #18799 on: 28/08/2013 08:57:24 »
DONT FIGHT HERE
 

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