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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1900 on: 08/11/2008 00:57:33 »
Interesting article on the chemical effects of orgasm (at least, for non-POIS people):
http://joe.endocrinology-journals.org/cgi/reprint/177/1/57.pdf
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1901 on: 08/11/2008 01:02:33 »
POIS exhaustion/fatigue

I always thought this was a hallmark symptom of POIS until someone here said that theirs was not.

If exhaustion/fatigue is NOT your prime symptom, is brain fog?

Mental fatigue is an important symptom, for me.  Physical fatigue is not something I have noticed as much.

I would say difficulty focusing, difficulty communicating, and anxiety/distress/social anxiety are the most challenging symptoms for me.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1902 on: 08/11/2008 05:02:05 »
POIS Diary

Tuesday, Election Day, was Day Zero for me, with Levitra. Today, 3 days later, I played piano at a gig for 1 and 1/2 hours. I planned on playing for 2 hours, which I did last time, out-of-POIS. After the 1 and 1/2 hours I was exhausted, from POIS, went home and napped.

My morning energy was good every day since release. Afternoons flagged (coffee/sugar crashes undoubtedly contributed).

I'm thinking of downgrading my 75% POIS/Levitra cure to 50%, because the last 2 times were a little disappointing. Maybe my placebo effect lasted over a year! ;D

ps -  Counterpoints, a while back you brought up pianoplaying vs. POIS. I noticed yesterday and the day before that my "piano mechanics" were indeed not as tight as they are out-of-POIS. I missed notes far more frequently.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1903 on: 08/11/2008 05:56:40 »
I have REALLY low blood pressure, which apparently goes with adrenal fatigue. My high reading for blood pressure is 100/60, my low can be as low as 87/50. So it still doesn't make sense why it [relora] could amp me up....?

Girlwind, maybe it's from the other ingredients? After all, they do admit that Relora clearly has a side effect of creating sleeping difficulty (in other words, it can "amp [you] up").
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1904 on: 08/11/2008 15:15:43 »
I can't say that I have changed anything. I started taking a Centrum Vitamin daily and Relora three times a day.  I started working out daily about three months ago, so I don't know if that has anything to do with it.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1905 on: 08/11/2008 15:17:44 »
No one else is getting the same results with Relora?
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1906 on: 08/11/2008 15:29:16 »
The bark of the magnolia officinalis tree(ingredient in Relora) has magnolol and honokiol.  Look at these on Wikipedia.org. 

This website for information on the other ingredient Phellodendron amurense

http://pubs.acs.org/cgi-bin/article.cgi/jnprdf/1998/61/i08/html/np970406y.html [nofollow]
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1907 on: 08/11/2008 18:43:02 »
No one else is getting the same results with Relora?

Tarkington, I'm not sure what Limejuice's update is, but I found this below:


Relora results: Reduction in symptoms (approximate amount 50%)

I began taking Relora Friday and released Saturday(released twice to ensure no placebo effect).  The results were that all symptoms were reduced such as brain fog, social anxiety, and concentration; however, sleep issues and libido still remain.

I will test once again this week after full recovery.

After that I will try the fenugreek.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1908 on: 08/11/2008 19:58:05 »
so that makes at least two people -- Limejuice and me -- who used Relora and got at least 50% reduction in symptoms.  If anyone else has tried Relora and it worked or didn't work, can you list by how much the symptoms were reduced and if it didn't work just say didn't work.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1909 on: 08/11/2008 19:59:55 »
so that makes at least two people -- Limejuice and me -- who used Relora and got at least 50% reduction in symptoms.  If anyone else has tried Relora and it worked or didn't work, can you list by how much the symptoms were reduced and if it didn't work just say didn't work.

It didn't work and disturbed my sleep.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1910 on: 08/11/2008 20:38:45 »
so that makes at least two people -- Limejuice and me -- who used Relora and got at least 50% reduction in symptoms.  If anyone else has tried Relora and it worked or didn't work, can you list by how much the symptoms were reduced and if it didn't work just say didn't work.

I did a POIS Forum search of relora, 400+ references where it's mentioned, results below:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=relora+site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenakedscientists.com&aq=f&oq=
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1911 on: 09/11/2008 00:22:21 »
From the company given by Girlwind they have a list of single herbs. One is for premature ejaculation and kidney deficiency : psoralea fruit
http://www.suntenglobal.com/products/show01.php?ID=1294
But I suppose this should be prescribed by a TCM practitionner.

I also have a problem with low blood pressure, but is it really related with pois ? Other cases of pois have high blood pressure.

Counterpoints and John don't have fatigue in pois. You're lucky ! How many minutes are you able to run (or any other cardio exercise, where a good endurance is needed)?
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1912 on: 09/11/2008 02:19:45 »
I also have a problem with low blood pressure, but is it really related with pois ? Other cases of pois have high blood pressure.

I have high blood pressure, lowered by Rx meds.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1913 on: 09/11/2008 03:24:51 »
so that makes at least two people -- Limejuice and me -- who used Relora and got at least 50% reduction in symptoms.  If anyone else has tried Relora and it worked or didn't work, can you list by how much the symptoms were reduced and if it didn't work just say didn't work.


I've been trying Relora for about a week now and had several releases over that time frame.  So far the symptoms have been reduced by about 65%. 
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1914 on: 09/11/2008 03:32:58 »
I also have a problem with low blood pressure, but is it really related with pois ? Other cases of pois have high blood pressure.
I have high blood pressure, lowered by Rx meds.
Interesting, If you have fatigue in pois it shouldn't be caused by low blood pressure. But maybe you are less fatigued than I am.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1915 on: 09/11/2008 03:36:07 »
so that makes at least two people -- Limejuice and me -- who used Relora and got at least 50% reduction in symptoms.  If anyone else has tried Relora and it worked or didn't work, can you list by how much the symptoms were reduced and if it didn't work just say didn't work.

It didn't work and disturbed my sleep.
If you don't have enough cortisol and if relora is decreasing cortisol perhaps it's the reason. I'll test my cortisol before taking relora.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1916 on: 09/11/2008 04:01:46 »
ok thanks for trying pyropeach that is excellent news
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1917 on: 09/11/2008 05:03:37 »
I also have a problem with low blood pressure, but is it really related with pois ? Other cases of pois have high blood pressure.
I have high blood pressure, lowered by Rx meds.
Interesting, If you have fatigue in pois it shouldn't be caused by low blood pressure. But maybe you are less fatigued than I am.

I am VERY fatigued in POIS.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1918 on: 09/11/2008 05:10:44 »
so that makes at least two people -- Limejuice and me -- who used Relora and got at least 50% reduction in symptoms.  If anyone else has tried Relora and it worked or didn't work, can you list by how much the symptoms were reduced and if it didn't work just say didn't work.


I've been trying Relora for about a week now and had several releases over that time frame.  So far the symptoms have been reduced by about 65%. 

3 positive relora results so far: Tarkington, Limejuice and Pyropeach. Please keep reporting/posting!

And please read the cautionary and testing posts about relora!
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1919 on: 09/11/2008 13:25:53 »
Demografx,
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I'm thinking of downgrading my 75% POIS/Levitra cure to 50%, because the last 2 times were a little disappointing. Maybe my placebo effect lasted over a year!

As POIS is hard to describe, evaluating it's intensity is equally difficult. 50%, 75% are very rough approximations.


My sense is that most of us have the same basic problem, yet something different in our bodily environments make the symptoms vary, as is the case with many illnesses. I can confidently say I have never had physical exhaustion symptoms, but don't anyone think I got off easy, perhaps my mental exhaustion was all the more severe.  >:(

I had an NE four days ago and I had zero symptoms again. Again I am not sure what is responsible for this. After the NE in the morning I had some raw garlic, which I only took occasionally the previous week. What I have been taking daily is: Vit D and Bacopa. I also had consumed a small amount of ground fenugreek seeds (mortise and pestle), and the morning after I tried a rosemary tea. What do I suppose helped me? I have no idea! Due to my sporadic supplementing style my results will take a long time to make sense of. I doubt that Bacopa is helping because I feel no reaction to it at all, it is just something I read about and wanted to try.

Edit: Just to record all details: I realized I have also added yogurt to my daily diet for over a week previous to the NE.
Edit2: The yogurt ingredients include chicory root inulin, and inulin is also present in garlic.
« Last Edit: 09/11/2008 18:27:11 by John21 »
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1920 on: 09/11/2008 15:08:41 »
I also tried bacopa a few years ago and there was no effect.
I'm wondering if a problem with phosphorus metabolism could be involved in pois.
My pois is improved with salmon and sardines (both are rich in phosphorus and vitamin D). Especially the salmon is clearly causing earlier NE for me (and I feel really good the day before the NE). Zinc, magnesium, b-complex, and others are all involved in phosphorus metabolism. ATP is made with phosphorus. Even Levitra has the name "phospho"diesterase in it, I don't know if it's significant. Also garlic (and ginseng) is rich in germanium which is increasing phosphorus.
http://www.acu-cell.com/gesi.html#TXTANC7D3921E361233E0
Garlic is known to have an action on energy but I don't know if germanium is involved. Low energy causes a physical stress and this is supposed to increase cortisol (thus increased cortisol would be a symptom more than a cause?). I'm now ready to return in the "I-don't- know-team" ! ??? :)
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1921 on: 09/11/2008 15:50:36 »
Wow I've missed a lot on this forum since my last post. I can only apologise for not posting more regularly. I'm always impressed by the depth of contributions that forum members make. I wish I had some ground breaking news to post but unfortunately I don't. I appeared to have a little success with sporadic raw garlic eating after reading John21's positive experiences with garlic. My symptoms seemed reduced and on 2 occasions only lasted 2-3 days rather than the usual 5-7. Usually days 3 and 4 after orgasm are my worst days but by day 3 I was starting to feel ok again. I ate one clove a day for a few days, had a couple of days off from eating garlic (smelly breath is an issue!) and then had an orgasm and ate a garlic clove immediately after and another one the follwoing day. Its not possible to say the garlic definitely helped as this certainly wasn't a controlled experiment and of course its only a couple of events. Other times, taking garlic after orgasm (without any garlic beforehand) seems to have had little or no effect. Even if garlic does help I would guess its best to take it regularly over a period of time rather than just once after an orgasm. Of course I'm just speculating. I'm actually still a little optimistic that garlic may be able to help alleviate my symptoms to some extent if taken regularly. There are many pages of this forum for me to read since my last post and I'm sure others have written more about garlic and other things there - I look forward to catching up with your  experiences. I travel a bit and sometimes work funny hours and don't always have internet access.

In line with counterpoints and John21, I can say that physical exhaustion is not a symptom for me, mental exhaustion, brain fog, difficulty concentrating, difficulty in social situations etc is by far the most prominent and distressing aspect for me.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1922 on: 09/11/2008 16:02:14 »
Also very quickly.....
Last time I was posting I said I'd had a reply from the International Society for Sexual Medicine (ISSM). One of the doctors there was going to talk to Dr Waldinger about POIS. I see since then that Dr Waldinger has been in touch with the forum which is great news. I totally understand that the time he can spend on POIS is limited but its terrific to know he is aware of us. Everyone on this forum is doing a great job in chasing this illness down.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1923 on: 09/11/2008 16:18:40 »
I have been taking relora with gralic and multivitamins for four days.  It makes me sleepy and at the same time makes me sleep unecessarily deep. I am scared wghen i stop taking relora it will mess up my sleep patterns. I have had two Nightly.E in a row and seem to have  less brain fog. But thought process still kinda slow. Memory seems to be better than usuall pois moment.
I will also note i havnt orgasm in montths. ??? ??? ???
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1924 on: 09/11/2008 20:52:06 »
...I have had two Nightly.E in a row...I will also note i havnt orgasm in montths. ??? ??? ???

Isn't a Nightly.E an orgasm?
 

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