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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #19000 on: 18/10/2013 06:58:19 »
I'll speak to you all after the premiere POIS researchers are selected! (Nov/Dec)

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« Reply #19001 on: 18/10/2013 08:46:05 »
This morning i had a nocturnal emission and now one hour later i am so short of breath its making me panic. This is truly horrible!

Feels as if something is destryoing my lungs from inside! I really need help with this.

I cant tell if this was a panic attack or something more severe as asthma or heart failure, can someone else here give me something to go on, have you been diagnosed with asthma or heart problem etc?
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #19002 on: 18/10/2013 14:35:32 »
Interesting questions for those that have cognitive symptoms:

- Does anyone suspect their POIS in any way is related to sinus issues or a dry stuffy nose?
- Does anyone have pressure in head/behind eyes, accentuated especially when moving eyes from the very left and to very right? (try this)
- Does anyone have a pressure within head that can shift areas and sides? (sometimes controllably)
- Does this pressure subside over time, and as the pressure lessens, the cognitive symptoms get lighter?
- Does doing something that requires you to shift gravitational position, such as a handstand, or bending over, makes you feel like your head is about to explode?
- Does the cognitive symptoms never seem to fully recover?

The reason why I ask these is for diagnosing the cause of cognitive dysfunction, it might be very hard to find the solution by first identifying the problem and then testing treatments, or even looking directly for a root cause of POIS (which seems to be different for different people). Too many things may be the cause of cognitive symptoms such as brain fog. It might be easier to describe physical manifestations of POIS related to the head and brain and link that to pre-existing medical conditions that are more documented (maybe this will help shed light).

I have seen at least a couple members that mentioned something regarding "pressure" and "cerebral vasoconstriction" and "blood flow", and realized that these most likely fall under the same category.

I hypothesize a couple things for cognitive POIS:

- In some way related to decrease or irregularity in cerebral blood flow
- Maybe related to air/pressure inside the head
- Could be a pre-existing medical condition worsened by orgasms
- Could possibly be linked to sinus problems
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #19003 on: 18/10/2013 16:16:08 »
This morning i had a nocturnal emission and now one hour later i am so short of breath its making me panic. This is truly horrible!

Feels as if something is destryoing my lungs from inside! I really need help with this.

I cant tell if this was a panic attack or something more severe as asthma or heart failure, can someone else here give me something to go on, have you been diagnosed with asthma or heart problem etc?

Hello, johanstefansson,

I hope you're feeling much better by now!!

It's impossible for anyone here to know if the shortness of breath is caused by a panic attack or a physical problem. (A panic attack can feel even worse than a heart attack because of the extreme anxiety that accompanies it.)

You wrote your post at least two hours ago. If you're breathing is not 100% better by now -- go to the emergency room or local walk-in clinic. Even if it's a panic attack -- at least you'll get evaluated and treated.


Stef
 
 

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« Reply #19004 on: 18/10/2013 17:12:26 »
This morning i had a nocturnal emission and now one hour later i am so short of breath its making me panic. This is truly horrible!

Feels as if something is destryoing my lungs from inside! I really need help with this.

I cant tell if this was a panic attack or something more severe as asthma or heart failure, can someone else here give me something to go on, have you been diagnosed with asthma or heart problem etc?

Hello, johanstefansson,

I hope you're feeling much better by now!!

It's impossible for anyone here to know if the shortness of breath is caused by a panic attack or a physical problem. (A panic attack can feel even worse than a heart attack because of the extreme anxiety that accompanies it.)

You wrote your post at least two hours ago. If you're breathing is not 100% better by now -- go to the emergency room or local walk-in clinic. Even if it's a panic attack -- at least you'll get evaluated and treated.


Stef

I am feeling better now, thank you, even though i am still a bit short of breath. Must have been an asthma attack because i still feel it and panic attacks don't last more than 15 minutes or so.

I am getting myself an immediate appointment for a asthma checkup, quite convinced now i suffered an asthma attack.

I googled asthma and sex and found that its quite common, even thinking about sex can cause an attack in some extreme cases, did not know it was like that. I might be on to something here.
 

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« Reply #19005 on: 18/10/2013 18:36:33 »
Over it, please dont be stupid...he did not advertize anything ; it was a video of him talking in a stage about POIS ; He offers non treatment : OK, like anybody else in here...

BrettA,

Is that online interface/database thingy that the video showed you planning on the whiteboard and taliking about on that stage, something that you have developed with your own funds? If so, you are a very benevolent person and God will have a special place in heaven for you.

LAPOISSE2, I hate it when we fight.

Yes that was my point..we should be more nice with new comers ; Sorry if I said "stupid" ; )

Thank you LAPOISSE2 and Over It.  Yes, the side project was developed with my own funds and on vacation time (which for POISers is precious).  I also run a non-profit giving away audio books at ejunto.org.  But to be very honest, I'm not here to talk about that.  I tried previously to partner with the POIS community and it caused a lot of problems.

The main thing is that I decided to go public with my story about POIS and I didn't want you guys reading an article in the paper thinking, "If this guy found relief for his own POIS, why hasn't he been posting on NSF?"  I don't have a lot of time, but I'd like to connect with you guys, and I'd VERY MUCH like to raise awareness about this condition.  The level of ignorance about POIS in the medical community is unbelievable.  Research will definitely help.  It will also help if those of us that have good enough health to risk talking about it can share our stories and make people see that this is a real condition. 

I would link to a recent newspaper article that talked about my story with POIS, but people seem edgy about that stuff.  In any event, the reporter thought it was a very interesting condition and hopefully we can continue to get the word out. 
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #19006 on: 18/10/2013 22:30:47 »
I am feeling better now, thank you, even though i am still a bit short of breath. Must have been an asthma attack because i still feel it and panic attacks don't last more than 15 minutes or so.

I am getting myself an immediate appointment for a asthma checkup, quite convinced now i suffered an asthma attack.

I googled asthma and sex and found that its quite common, even thinking about sex can cause an attack in some extreme cases, did not know it was like that. I might be on to something here.



Johanstefansson,

It's a relief to hear that you're feeling better!!

Definitely get an asthma evaluation ASAP!  Your general practitioner might be a good place to start.

If it's asthma, you'll need medication on hand that works immediately.

Best wishes and good luck to you!

Stef



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« Reply #19007 on: 20/10/2013 07:28:58 »
Interesting questions for those that have cognitive symptoms:

- Does anyone suspect their POIS in any way is related to sinus issues or a dry stuffy nose?
- Does anyone have pressure in head/behind eyes, accentuated especially when moving eyes from the very left and to very right? (try this)
- Does anyone have a pressure within head that can shift areas and sides? (sometimes controllably)
- Does this pressure subside over time, and as the pressure lessens, the cognitive symptoms get lighter?
- Does doing something that requires you to shift gravitational position, such as a handstand, or bending over, makes you feel like your head is about to explode?
- Does the cognitive symptoms never seem to fully recover?

The reason why I ask these is for diagnosing the cause of cognitive dysfunction, it might be very hard to find the solution by first identifying the problem and then testing treatments, or even looking directly for a root cause of POIS (which seems to be different for different people). Too many things may be the cause of cognitive symptoms such as brain fog. It might be easier to describe physical manifestations of POIS related to the head and brain and link that to pre-existing medical conditions that are more documented (maybe this will help shed light).

I have seen at least a couple members that mentioned something regarding "pressure" and "cerebral vasoconstriction" and "blood flow", and realized that these most likely fall under the same category.

I hypothesize a couple things for cognitive POIS:

- In some way related to decrease or irregularity in cerebral blood flow
- Maybe related to air/pressure inside the head
- Could be a pre-existing medical condition worsened by orgasms
- Could possibly be linked to sinus problems
yES FROM 2 YEARS I HAVE CONSTANT PRESSURE in head and genrall confusion which is non recoverable after pois but my pois was way before that nearly 8 years old now.
I have heart problem as wwll my ECG was not normal and chest x ray was not normal too
 

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« Reply #19008 on: 21/10/2013 09:42:15 »
I have updated wikipedia with some info on asthma, under POIS.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #19009 on: 26/10/2013 07:42:20 »
Hi Nathan, how's Gurov?
thank you
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« Reply #19010 on: 27/10/2013 11:24:34 »
This paper has no grand conclusion or anything but I did find it interesting. It's about ME & Neurasthenia and how the origins of such have been debated.  It's thesis is essentially that CFS is a modern day reincarnation of ME; which is a reincarnation of Neurasthenia (hence the title). http://simonwessely.com/downloads/other/oldwine.pdf [nofollow]
Some may believe that CFS/ME is not POIS. That might be true.
Note what Freud says on page 42.

btw, who was the chap that allieviated his POIS from Holidaying, dancing and clubbing etc? Is he still out there? Any updates?

Kima, haven't you heard?.... Gurov is 80% cured.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #19011 on: 27/10/2013 16:47:03 »
This morning i had a nocturnal emission and now one hour later i am so short of breath its making me panic. This is truly horrible!

Feels as if something is destryoing my lungs from inside! I really need help with this.

I cant tell if this was a panic attack or something more severe as asthma or heart failure, can someone else here give me something to go on, have you been diagnosed with asthma or heart problem etc?

Hi Johan,  As Stef mentioned, it's impossible for us to know why you felt that way, but I wanted to add that I've had few responses like that.  In my case it was a like a very minimized anaphylactic reaction to diluted semen injections (not reaction to O).  I have zero history of asthma or panic attacks, so in my case it was a conclusive reaction.  Pretty scary though and I hope you're feeling better.   
 

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« Reply #19012 on: 27/10/2013 21:58:53 »
So I have been doing some research on my own about methylation and it's involvement in POIS. I stumbled on this forum post today. I had the 23andME test done and received my results yesterday. Here are the results as far as methylation is concerned.

Homozygous:
MAO-A R297R
MTRR A665A
BHMT-08
CBS C699T

Heterozygous:
COMT V158M
COMT H62H
VDR Bsm
VDR Taq
MTRR A66G
BHMT-04
MTHFR C677T

The main mutation I am trying to address is the CBS. Anyone have any tips? Also what supplements? Manganese, Molybdenum and what dosages? Has anyone tried BH4 supplements (Kuvan)?

My histamine levels seem to rise the longer I abstain...on day 3 of abstinence I had bloodwork done and my level was 85 ng/dL. On day 18 I had the same lab done and my level was 119 ng/dL. Top end of the range is 127 ng/dL.
 

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« Reply #19013 on: 28/10/2013 13:57:50 »
I've been away for a while now - 2 months maybe?- and just popped back in to see what was going on. 

I am saddened to report that this place is quite a hole.  Maybe it's always been like this but I couldn't see it while i was here everyday.

All the people on this site who have used real names and provided their real email addresses.  You are the people that are helping to move this place forward.  GBolduev (Herman), BrettA, Urano57 (Adrian), jferr (jon), nathan123, etc.  If you're using a fake name and fake everything, this place becomes a random internet chat room, where you can leave your nasty comments and disappear.

Overit - I don't really know who you are.  You seem like a decently smart guy but you are terribly closed minded.  I know BrettA personally and I can vouch for him.  He literally just presented at the prestigious and cutting edge MedX conference at Stanford- if that's not good enough for you to give him a chance then I think your primary problem is psychiatric and pois secondary. 

Johanstefansson (and many others)- all these posts of how you felt for 1 day and 2 days, or 30 things you did which helped you feel better but you're not sure which one helped you- they obscure the real results people sometimes post.  Imagine, if you can't single out what is making you feel better, how is somebody else going to.   

Demo - You're a gentle soul who wants to help people, but you've got serious serious control issues.  While it's not my place to say, you should consider apologizing to those banned people and coming back to this site and helping out every once in a while.  It needs it.  Just be more inclusive and toss out the banning stick. 

To all those eyeballs out there who are reading but have never posted, say Hi sometime.  You don't need to say much, but just make yourself into a real entity for us.  That way if you ever have something important to tell the group, we'll be less likely to think you're made up.  Gaurav who is right now being treated by nathan and his doctor - we knew nothing about him which led to many questions about the whole thing.

If a new member or longtime reader has just posted for the first time, like ckckck recently, RESPOND TO THEM!!!  Say hi!  Acknowledge them.  Remember your first post and how nervous you were to send or excited you were for a reply?!?  Not responding to people is the worst thing you can do to someone's 1st post.  It ruins the forum.

I used to get excited when I'd feel better for 1 day or 2 days.  I'd think for sure I'd cracked it.  I'd tell my girlfriend excitedly and get my hopes up and then I'd feel such despair the next day or later that day when the fog and muscle fatigue would inevitably kick back in.  Alas, POIS is systemic.  The sooner we realize this the sooner we can work to SLOWLY get better.  Questforlife, B_Jim, John21 and many more are on this path.  Also, consequently, they're never claiming cures which gets OTHER peoples hopes up and causes them to spend $ on supplements which don't work in the longterm.  This all leads to my next point

Have a measured approach and try to take emotions out of this.  There's NOTHING that can't wait a week to post.  If you're so excited that you have to post immediately, I guarantee you you're not helping anyone.

Have accountability if your professed "cure" doesn't work.  Nathan123 has actually been pretty good about this.   Kima,  you said you were cured by Herman, then it took you many weeks and a post by Goldal for you to come back and say you weren't.  can't do that.   

This forum has many years of smart people and good info.  Dante88, I don't know how you can ask a question on BH4 supplements without PM'ing Kurtosis and then pasting his response for all to see.  That guy is a genius if I've ever come across one and is a great resource.  CertainlyPOIS, Vandemolen3, John21, B_Jim - these guys have been here forever.  Victor.Kons runs the Russian forum.  Reach out to them.

Lots of genuine and good people I've met on this forum.  mellivora, pharaoh, prancer, Habibou, nightingale, lauracostis, acronym, hoping, green, etc  Most aren't really active anymore.  Why?  They're not cured.  Because after a couple years here this place begins to go in a circle and it feels like you've been on the world's longest merry-go-round.  I don't know the answer, but one of the problems is that we don't build on former information.

With regard to an update from me, I'm still working with Herman, talking with him every couple days.  He's incredibly knowledgable and still does a lot of research trying to find not a better cure, but a quicker and more universal treatment.  While he searches for this, I continue my nutritional balancing, which is a very slow process to rid your body of copper.  I've been on it for over 9 months and could still be a year away.   

I am working hard to find a cure away from the forum and will come back if i have a big update, or every 2-3 months whichever comes first.  I don't like to ride the merry go round all the time anymore.  See you later.
 

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« Reply #19014 on: 28/10/2013 19:14:25 »
I just sent Kurtosis a message...it's not showing up in my sent messages though...but it said "sent successfully". Anyway I posted on here to try and get his attention. I was on the POIS center forums trying to message him, but it said he hadn't been active since last March. If you can get a hold of him, please let him know I am seeking his advice.
 

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« Reply #19015 on: 29/10/2013 08:46:44 »
Has everyone got their instructions from B_Daniel?

B_Daniel, I'll conceed that some of my posts have been a bit venomous. Partially due to the frustration caused by some of the things you have described in your manifesto above (e.g quirky cures & going over old ground). If I have offended anyone (Kima, Herman, Nathan & his Doctor), I'm am sorry, but I still believe that the essence of what I have said has been in the best interest of the primary goal if this forum.

Seriously B_Daniel, are saying that somatization is not a worthy avenue of investigation?

In regards to BrettA, Hi Brett, straight off the bat you were spruiking your product; that immediately got me off-side.
Also, who is conducting the desensitization experiment on you, and what data is being taken. Could you possibly post the data so we can see the gradual decrease in allergic response over time? And what was the purpose of your most recent presentation?
Was it to tell people of the success of you desensitization program?
Was it to advertise your product?
Was it to draw attention to POIS?
Was it a personal cathartic exercise?


 

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« Reply #19016 on: 29/10/2013 14:38:11 »
Hi guys, I am new to this forum. I really think I am on to something here. It is very different from what I have believed before regarding my symptoms.
I wanted to share my struggle and recent success with fighting POIS. From my experience with it, I believe that POIS is a form of a lipid disorder that leads to the other downstream effects we all have experienced.
I have been struggling with the effects of this syndrome for about 7 years until the last few weeks. Previously after ejaculation, within 1/2 hour I would start feeling brain fog, really tired, sore eyes, complete lack of focus/retention of anything new, general sickness, complete lack of sex drive, muscle weakness, and soreness in my joints which increased for about 2 days and then would begin to subside and I would feel normal again after about 6 days.
These symptoms began during my undergraduate years and I'm now in my doctorate to become a health care professional. These symptoms have basically ruined my life especially when it come to trying to treat patients on days where I can't even remember how to do basic things I have learned because of the disorder.
I recently started drinking olive oil, increased the amount of fat in my diet, and take fenugreek and I noticed that I would feel a LOT better. Then it made me start thinking about why that may be. I know that one thing that I changed around the time I began feeling POIS symptoms 7 years ago was that, I completely eliminate most fats from my diet. I would not eat anything fried or heavy/ etc. After sometime, I realized that when I would eat something fatty, I would get headaches and it would exacerbate my symptoms if I had recently ejaculated. Therefore as a result, I would continue to completely avoid fats/ oily food. So as to propose a mechanism of action for the disorder, I know a lot about physiological science but this explanation to me doesn't make sure sense for now but its what I believe from what I have experienced. I believe that after ejaculation, something is happening with our lipids. Perhaps they are being used as an energy source for the ejaculation and if the lipid levels are too low, our bodies are getting the energy sources from somewhere else that it is not suppose to be. Maybe proteins and as a result your body is breaking down specific proteins for energy that it shouldn't be so our bodies ellicit an antibody mediate response against our own proteins which leads to the symptoms that seem like an autoimmune disease. I find that when I increased the amount of oils/ lipids in my body via eating a higher fat diet, drinking olive oil, and fenugreek my symptoms seem like they are going to come on but then are COMPLETELY GONE WITHIN A FEW HOURS!!! Within the last 2-3 weeks, I haven't felt more than 10% of the original POIS symtoms at any time. I have had sex probably 20 times during that time period because it has been almost a decade since I could enjoy sex and not feel my impending doom afterwards. I never in my life to say this after all the doctors I have seen who didn't know what to tell me. In addition, I have been taking a test booster (Kiazen PM) but I don't know if that has anything to do with the results, I was just taking that for my loss of libido/ low test symptoms from the POIS. Guys, I really hope this is something that will help everyone. If you guys could try this and let me know, that will be great. I am almost in tears while writing this post because POIS has ruined a large period of time in my life that I will never get back. Now, I have been having sex and feeling great for almost 3 weeks now. I will provide an update on how I feel in a couple weeks and let you know if anything has changed. I hope this can be a new beginning for everyone.

I'm back after a long and non-POIS related illness.
The fat consumption suggestion is a really interesting idea. The connection could be Acetylcholine and Acetyl-CoA.
The latter is used in fatty acid synthesis.
newbielink:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetyl-CoA [nonactive]
The former is a neurotransmitter of the parasympathetic nervous system.
newbielink:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetylcholine [nonactive]
I noticed that I felt most drained not after an O but after a night when I had many erections. These require Acetylcholine to be produced, using up the bodies supply of Acetyl CoA. It's very difficult to talk about symptoms of high and low acetylcholine as it will cycle. i.e. anyone who has looked at it will notice that high and low Acetylcholine have similar symptoms. Examples include concentration issues and eye control problems which may mimic a mild form of myasthenia gravis.
(I don't have myasthenia gravis - although the antibodies test appears to not be 100% reliable - but I definitely have POIS related eye muscle control problems).
newbielink:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myasthenia_gravis [nonactive]

Glucose metabolism also reduces Acetyl-CoA levels in favour of Malonyl-CoA (I think) and many of us report feeling "brain fog" after consuming a lot of sugary drinks. I know I do.

Acetyl-CoA depletion may also produce symptoms of hypoglycemia and hunger as the person cannot adequately convert fats into energy.

Fat intake may increase the rate of synthesis of Acetyl-CoA and perhaps, as a byproduct of this, permit a faster normalising of the levels of acetylcholine following an erection. Ideally, this would be supported by vitamins B1, vitamin B5 (multivitamins have enough b5 tbh) and possibly additional acetyl-carnitine.
Carnitine has been positively evaluated for treatment of Malonyl-CoA decarboxylase deficiency
newbielink:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malonyl-CoA_decarboxylase_deficiency [nonactive]
Acetyl-carnitine is an acetylcholine receptor agonist.
As Herman has pointed out a few times, nicotine mimics acetylcholine at its respective receptors also.

I read a theory of acne a few years back that suggested low Acetyl-CoA was a contributing factor as it would increase fats in the sebacious glands. I'm saying "contributing factor" rather than cause and I know that there are POIS sufferers who don't have acne.

Anyway, Acetyl-CoA is one more thing to think about.

just to let you guys know, i had a fatty acids test done by metametrix, and it showed very low levels of gamma linolenic acid, which is a omega-6 fat, but it actually has anti-inflammatory properties, unlike most other omega-6s which are pro-inflammatory.

so if eating fat helps, i think this might be the reason for that. i think it is the anti-inflammatory properties of gamma linolenic acid, which is found in borage oil, evening primrose oil, flax oil, hemp oil, and olive oil. right now i started using evening primrose oil 1000mg 3x a day and fish oil with high EPA/DHA ratio 2:1 or 3:1. i hope this helps. but i heard krill oil is better because it doesnt become oxidesed as easily as fish oil. im not sure.

i hope this narrows it down.

so if you want to give the specific gamma linolenic acid a try, or fats in general a try, and perhaps add kurtosis recommendation of aceytl-carnitine and b1, b5 as well, maybe we can figure out if this helps or not, and if its the anti-inflammatory properties of the oils or the increase of acetyl-coa that they produce.
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« Reply #19017 on: 29/10/2013 16:55:27 »
Hi, I just discovered this forum and was wondering if I was suffering from POIS. I started smoking marijuana when I was nearly 16 and found it had a more major effect on me than other people and the days after I got major headaches. These headaches have really never gone away for me my whole life up to now, I'm 28. I had been blaming it on marijuana for a long time, even though I stopped smoking it about 4 or 5 years ago. About a year ago I found the nofap reddit, and then later yourbrainrebalanced.com, which both advocate abstaining from masturbation. I duly tried to give up but found it very difficult, I have been addicted to pornography for a long time, when I was younger I'd masturbate up to 7 or more times a day. I found though that not masturbating for a period of time made my headaches improve and I felt calmer, less angry and less anxious. However I'm wondering if I have this POIS or whether I just need to abstain for longer from masturbating in order to clear my headaches up. I notice a lot of people stay that they feel better within a few days or a week at the most, personally I feel better  but the problem is still there, fuzzy head, headaches, depression etc. I feel glad that abstaining has helped as my life has improved but I'm wondering whether tackiling POIS might be a solution. Maybe I just masturbated too much when I was younger, causing my chronic headaches, and I now need a long period of abstinence in order to recover. I don't think it could be marijuana causing the continuing headaches as the last time I smoked it was years ago. I think what might have happened is I got bad marijuana withdrawal symptoms, a headache which dragged on, but I then made things worse by excessive masturbation. I basically didn't masturbate before feeling bad after smoking marijuana, it triggered a compulsive habit. If anyone could offer any advice that would be great, thanks
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« Reply #19018 on: 29/10/2013 21:51:27 »
B_daniel
IF you are mot digitallly challenged, you are free to aggregate those posts you find relevant and stop bothering users who try to find a solution.

Use rss and filter out whatever you dont like.

Or **** off
 

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« Reply #19019 on: 29/10/2013 22:39:44 »
Interesting questions for those that have cognitive symptoms:

- Does anyone suspect their POIS in any way is related to sinus issues or a dry stuffy nose?
- Does anyone have pressure in head/behind eyes, accentuated especially when moving eyes from the very left and to very right? (try this)
- Does anyone have a pressure within head that can shift areas and sides? (sometimes controllably)
- Does this pressure subside over time, and as the pressure lessens, the cognitive symptoms get lighter?
- Does doing something that requires you to shift gravitational position, such as a handstand, or bending over, makes you feel like your head is about to explode?
- Does the cognitive symptoms never seem to fully recover?

The reason why I ask these is for diagnosing the cause of cognitive dysfunction, it might be very hard to find the solution by first identifying the problem and then testing treatments, or even looking directly for a root cause of POIS (which seems to be different for different people). Too many things may be the cause of cognitive symptoms such as brain fog. It might be easier to describe physical manifestations of POIS related to the head and brain and link that to pre-existing medical conditions that are more documented (maybe this will help shed light).

I have seen at least a couple members that mentioned something regarding "pressure" and "cerebral vasoconstriction" and "blood flow", and realized that these most likely fall under the same category.

I hypothesize a couple things for cognitive POIS:

- In some way related to decrease or irregularity in cerebral blood flow
- Maybe related to air/pressure inside the head
- Could be a pre-existing medical condition worsened by orgasms
- Could possibly be linked to sinus problems

Alphaq,

Yes to all your questions. There's definitly sth rhe matter with brain blood flow. I have got another:

Is it common among us to have at least a little darker skin colour than average citizen of your community?
And when pois kicks in it's like after a day of sunbathing. Almost red all-over

Demografx,

I won't deny that I am looking forward to your information, but I am afraid that doctors arrive at the conclusion that pois is a psychosomatic disorder like e.g. colitis ulcerosa and do nothing about it. Advice some yoga maybe. I hope I am wrong
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« Reply #19020 on: 30/10/2013 09:23:08 »
Interesting questions for those that have cognitive symptoms:

- Does anyone suspect their POIS in any way is related to sinus issues or a dry stuffy nose?
- Does anyone have pressure in head/behind eyes, accentuated especially when moving eyes from the very left and to very right? (try this)
- Does anyone have a pressure within head that can shift areas and sides? (sometimes controllably)
- Does this pressure subside over time, and as the pressure lessens, the cognitive symptoms get lighter?
- Does doing something that requires you to shift gravitational position, such as a handstand, or bending over, makes you feel like your head is about to explode?
- Does the cognitive symptoms never seem to fully recover?

The reason why I ask these is for diagnosing the cause of cognitive dysfunction, it might be very hard to find the solution by first identifying the problem and then testing treatments, or even looking directly for a root cause of POIS (which seems to be different for different people). Too many things may be the cause of cognitive symptoms such as brain fog. It might be easier to describe physical manifestations of POIS related to the head and brain and link that to pre-existing medical conditions that are more documented (maybe this will help shed light).

I have seen at least a couple members that mentioned something regarding "pressure" and "cerebral vasoconstriction" and "blood flow", and realized that these most likely fall under the same category.

I hypothesize a couple things for cognitive POIS:

- In some way related to decrease or irregularity in cerebral blood flow
- Maybe related to air/pressure inside the head
- Could be a pre-existing medical condition worsened by orgasms
- Could possibly be linked to sinus problems

Alphaq,

I normally post on the POIS forum, however, I personally related very much to the Sinus related aspect for POIS that you mention above.  I have had these symptoms for too many years. I also had a good few sinus operations about 15 years ago, and have been using Cortisone Nasal Spray daily for about 20 years to keep my sinuses clear.

I now also use a PH balance Netipot that helps keep sinuses germ free.

I don't know whether the root cause and cognitive symptoms are because of Sinus issues or whether the Sinus affected element is just one of many spin offs from orgasm. My sinus pressure has always gotten a lot worse for 3 days after O.

My History...Close on 40 years with POIS. Until 6 months ago when I found these forums, I thought I was the only bloke in the world with this condition. Am now hopeful about the research and see a reason to hang in.

For 3 days post Orgasm...
My symptoms are headaches, cognitive melt down, poor mental functioning, irritability, depression, dermatalogical flare up, sinus flare up, mild to moderate social phobia. Symptoms (including Sinus pressure) subside, to 50% of the impact after day 3 beyond O.
 

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« Reply #19021 on: 30/10/2013 11:37:08 »
... have been using Cortisone Nasal Spray daily for about 20 years to keep my sinuses clear.

If corticosteroid nasal spray is beneficial then that's consistent with inflammation : something-itis.

[ Come to think of it , having ones immune system turn up after orgasm would help protect the person from sexually transmitted disease. In people with auto-immune disease having their immune system turned up to eleven could cause their syndrome to flare-up ].
 

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« Reply #19022 on: 30/10/2013 17:48:34 »
785 pages in the forum, anything new on this forum.

Who else on the forum tried Panchakarma?
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« Reply #19023 on: 31/10/2013 17:12:54 »
Interesting questions for those that have cognitive symptoms:

- Does anyone suspect their POIS in any way is related to sinus issues or a dry stuffy nose?
- Does anyone have pressure in head/behind eyes, accentuated especially when moving eyes from the very left and to very right? (try this)
- Does anyone have a pressure within head that can shift areas and sides? (sometimes controllably)
- Does this pressure subside over time, and as the pressure lessens, the cognitive symptoms get lighter?
- Does doing something that requires you to shift gravitational position, such as a handstand, or bending over, makes you feel like your head is about to explode?
- Does the cognitive symptoms never seem to fully recover?

The reason why I ask these is for diagnosing the cause of cognitive dysfunction, it might be very hard to find the solution by first identifying the problem and then testing treatments, or even looking directly for a root cause of POIS (which seems to be different for different people). Too many things may be the cause of cognitive symptoms such as brain fog. It might be easier to describe physical manifestations of POIS related to the head and brain and link that to pre-existing medical conditions that are more documented (maybe this will help shed light).

I have seen at least a couple members that mentioned something regarding "pressure" and "cerebral vasoconstriction" and "blood flow", and realized that these most likely fall under the same category.

I hypothesize a couple things for cognitive POIS:

- In some way related to decrease or irregularity in cerebral blood flow
- Maybe related to air/pressure inside the head
- Could be a pre-existing medical condition worsened by orgasms
- Could possibly be linked to sinus problems

Alphaq,

I normally post on the POIS forum, however, I personally related very much to the Sinus related aspect for POIS that you mention above.  I have had these symptoms for too many years. I also had a good few sinus operations about 15 years ago, and have been using Cortisone Nasal Spray daily for about 20 years to keep my sinuses clear.

I now also use a PH balance Netipot that helps keep sinuses germ free.

I don't know whether the root cause and cognitive symptoms are because of Sinus issues or whether the Sinus affected element is just one of many spin offs from orgasm. My sinus pressure has always gotten a lot worse for 3 days after O.

My History...Close on 40 years with POIS. Until 6 months ago when I found these forums, I thought I was the only bloke in the world with this condition. Am now hopeful about the research and see a reason to hang in.

For 3 days post Orgasm...
My symptoms are headaches, cognitive melt down, poor mental functioning, irritability, depression, dermatalogical flare up, sinus flare up, mild to moderate social phobia. Symptoms (including Sinus pressure) subside, to 50% of the impact after day 3 beyond O.

The only thing that help my POIS is  Nasonex (a Sinus medicine).
 

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« Reply #19024 on: 31/10/2013 20:26:38 »
Hi, I just discovered this forum and was wondering if I was suffering from POIS. I started smoking marijuana when I was nearly 16 and found it had a more major effect on me than other people and the days after I got major headaches. These headaches have really never gone away for me my whole life up to now, I'm 28. I had been blaming it on marijuana for a long time, even though I stopped smoking it about 4 or 5 years ago. About a year ago I found the nofap reddit, and then later yourbrainrebalanced.com, which both advocate abstaining from masturbation. I duly tried to give up but found it very difficult, I have been addicted to pornography for a long time, when I was younger I'd masturbate up to 7 or more times a day. I found though that not masturbating for a period of time made my headaches improve and I felt calmer, less angry and less anxious. However I'm wondering if I have this POIS or whether I just need to abstain for longer from masturbating in order to clear my headaches up. I notice a lot of people stay that they feel better within a few days or a week at the most, personally I feel better  but the problem is still there, fuzzy head, headaches, depression etc. I feel glad that abstaining has helped as my life has improved but I'm wondering whether tackiling POIS might be a solution. Maybe I just masturbated too much when I was younger, causing my chronic headaches, and I now need a long period of abstinence in order to recover. I don't think it could be marijuana causing the continuing headaches as the last time I smoked it was years ago. I think what might have happened is I got bad marijuana withdrawal symptoms, a headache which dragged on, but I then made things worse by excessive masturbation. I basically didn't masturbate before feeling bad after smoking marijuana, it triggered a compulsive habit. If anyone could offer any advice that would be great, thanks

Some poisers get headaches but along with the headache they have other symptoms such as intense fatigue, lack of concentration, reduce cognitive abilities, less creativity and less desire to do  things.    These are some of the symptoms that are common in poisers.   If you have these symptoms and notice that they reduce after abstaining from orgasm at least a week then there is a high possibility you have pois.

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