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« Reply #19650 on: 16/08/2014 02:56:15 »
Has anyone here tried 'neuroprotek' or its main active ingredients 'Luteolin' or 'Quercetin' or 'Rutin'? 
It helps reduce brain inflammation. it seems to be a hit with parents of autistic children. Also some people with CFS or lyme, etc are getting great relief. Not all are though. If it was cheap I'd give it a go. (about $40 a bottle and I thought that would last 2 weeks). I'm looking at trying the individual flavonoids.
 

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« Reply #19651 on: 16/08/2014 03:00:20 »
johanstefansson - I cant see what difference having sex with a prostitute verses sex with a girl friend/wife would make in terms of pois.
 

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« Reply #19652 on: 16/08/2014 20:21:30 »
johanstefansson - I cant see what difference having sex with a prostitute verses sex with a girl friend/wife would make in terms of pois.

prostitution is illegal where i live.
and of course there is a major safety difference.

what i meant was that my sex addiction at least did not make me cross over that line.
 

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« Reply #19653 on: 17/08/2014 20:12:37 »
johanstefansson - I cant see what difference having sex with a prostitute verses sex with a girl friend/wife would make in terms of pois.

prostitution is illegal where i live.
and of course there is a major safety difference.

what i meant was that my sex addiction at least did not make me cross over that line.

There are many young couples who have sex every day or even twice+ a day in the honeymoon phase of their relationships. There are many young guys (players) and women (promiscuous) who hookup with a new partner (or more) each week, but these people are never called sex addicts. Many older couples still have sex every second day yet it seems to be a label for older men who still like variety in their sex lives, as it was in that linked article,where the married guy still visited a prostitute once a year. I think the term is misused that's all.
Yes where it is illegal it is less safer than in countries were it is legal and govt monitored and there are regular std checks by the women.
 

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« Reply #19654 on: 19/08/2014 17:45:51 »
Hello Guys,

Most of you will probably not like this post or reject it ; I would have done the same for years ; I feel like I need to share my view because it could help some of you.

I spent the last five years trying to understand what is POIS ; I saw dozen of med, had thousands of blood work, tried pretty much sups discussed here ; I've been investigated my endocrine system, my liver, my stomach, my brain, my ears, my eyes, my immune system and so on : My body is in good shape.

Like many of you, I noticed I had a lot of anxiety and have always been looking at it as a consequences of POIS caused by the fear of living the next day, week and years with my POIS. I've been absolutely convinced about that for years.

Today I'm POIS free and it's been about 2 month now ; Guess what i've done : I just stopped to control everything and especially my orgasm ; I have orgasm whenever I want, whenever I feel the need to have it, I stopped looking at everything I do, eat, act, feel every minute of my life as I did for years ; I stopped worrying about what will happen ; My logic was : this strategy doesn't work , I need to face it, Im' more sick that before I discovered that POIS existed ; I have to give a try and stop controlling ; If my POIS logic is right I should almost die with a lot of orgasm, no more pills, no more control ; If I don't die, maybe I'm wrong somewhere...

And I actually felt much better immediately ; So this is my explanation :

POIS is like a chronic burn out ; For individual reason(a part is probably genetic, for me it was caused by a trauma when I was 18) we have accumulated stress and anxiety for years ; Fight or flight response very useful in some situation is not designed to perform for an extend period of time ; Overstimulation of sympathetic system create conditions for exhaustion of nervous system ; My guess is that most of us developed strategy to avoid sinking totally and avoid doing a burn out which is nice but the problem became chronic with good period and relapse ; Most of us here are creative and intelligent people ; this has to play a role.

As a result, symptoms of POIS are totally real, something happens in the body, and in my opinion the nervous system just crash with a very probable influence of vagus nerve which control the sympathetic system. All the symptoms that we describe(most of them are sensation) can be linked to chronic anxiety. Feeling anxious doenst' even need to be present and not necessarily in the same period ; it can be unconscient and exhaustion stage ca, happen years after an anxious episode. 90% of case of anxiety disorder are revealed before 18yo which explain why many of us first experienced POIS in the puberty

If your are not convinced about what our brain can do you our body when we believe that we do something bad for us, look at this video ;there is  some people that can die and other heal  cancer just by turning they brain in one side or the other ; It's not new age theory, it's mainstream medical evidences


For some reason our fear and anxiety have been focused to sexual activity and it works just like a phobia ; We fear orgasm a lot and when it happens everything that we expect(reinforce collectively through this forum) just happens ; It's Nocebo effect(the opposite of placebo effect) and it's quite powerful mechanism ; If we accept that placebo effects works on us(which is as a matter of fact very clear) we need to accept that nocebo has also a real impact.

It's very difficult to admit, took me a year and it's like waking up from a bad dream ; make me think to shutter island guy ; For and anxious brain, having a external problem is always easier that facing the problem but it's never gonna solve it.

I'm sure the Dr K. will find something with vagus nerve but I also believe that it will be a dead end as there is no cure for a neurovagal dystonia because it's a symptoms of a screw up nervous system, not a disease ; It's quite a common diagnosis here in France and people get basically benzo as a cure.

The good news is if i'm true we can heal ; we have an ability to use or brain to both make us ill or make us better and the brain is very powerful.

What I've done :

meditation : it's the key ; it's not an oriental think for monks with encents, it's science and very efficient ; you can re programate your brain(physically, if you do an MRI before and after some weeks of meditation you'll see a change in grey matter) with a bit of training ; I found out that I had a very athletic brain for worrying but I was able to train it to get more peace and calm ; it's efficient after only 6 weeks
cogntitive therapy : I saw 4 guys that was no competent ; the fifth was the good one ; This part is also really important
sport : accelerate the process ;
Food : eat healthy also accelerate the process
Normal life! stop wording after POIS

It's not an instant process, I failed a year ago because I had relapse after some O which make me fear again about O which was turned into anxiety and stressed/exhaust my nervous system ; then you feel tired mentally and physically so you worry even more,start ruminating  avoid O, restart to spend your day to assess how you feel and the cycle continue...your brain will try to find a logical/external explanation and POIS will get bigger again like a chimeras. So it's really important to regenerate your nervous system by giving it a break for enough time(including during POIS period) ; it's important to know that there is cycle and it will come back but if you modify your neuronal circuits and thinking pattern, it will go away for life.

What I felt for years was a subjective experience of again anxious mind ; we are non objective observatory of ourselves ; Cornelius who basically said exactly the same 2 years ago was true.

I know that most of us will reject all that ; I would have done the same ; It's like giving up on everything we've been believed before and it's much more confortable to have a disease on which we can't do nothing than having a psychological problem ; But again, read my old post, just like you I was absolutely convinced of POIS being a physical illness and today for the first time is 6 years I feel good.


Hope it helps some of you

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« Reply #19655 on: 20/08/2014 14:33:52 »
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I generally agree with your theory. I developed anxiety symptoms 30 years ago and I think POIS soon followed (rather than vice-versa). I too have been improving with both my anxiety and POIS - if all feels miraculous. Also looking into Tantric practices helps me too. I am a creative and am also known for over-thinking everything also I can be ruthlessly analytical - this makes my anxiety worse - I just need to chill. But for this reason I cannot kid myself that any supplements work (I do take some to assist with the anxiety) I posted the below a few months ago - I feel this echoes where I am at still:

I have had POIS for many years - over 30 of them in fact. It has been very severe and debilitating. I am now 50, so have suffered terribly for most of my adult life. I have generally applied the theory that this is partly linked to general anxiety (I do suffer) with the 'O' pushing the body beyond acceptable limits leading to a melt-down. This is a theory supported in the UK by Dr Goldmeier at Jefferiss Wing, St Mary's Hospital in London. He has seen a few POIS sufferers and he has commented that they tended to exhibit some form of general anxiety.
My wife decided to divorce me (not because of POIS) at the start of the year. This by chance led to meeting an old girlfriend from my youth. It has been the most wonderful experience for me. I have been panicking about POIS and thinking it will end up wrecking everything. But it has all gone unexpectedly very well. I know this may sound dramatic - but after a few weeks I can safely say I am walking around feeling like a miracle has occurred, POIS is all but gone. I do get some symptoms on day 2, Day 1 is fine. But by day 3 I just have some very low level nausea and mild headache - but I only notice these if I really take the time to think about it. I take manganese, zinc and st johns wort - have done so for about 12 month plus now. They may be helping to a degree. I had been worried about being a bit too quick to 'O' in my new relationship so have gone into what I can only describe as a continual solo self-control regime (morning and night). I would stimulate myself to the point of 'O' but hold back and do a lot of relaxation work at the same time - deep breathing - focusing my mind - but never allowing an 'O' then carry on and repeat for as long as I could hold out but still no 'O'. Then cease. It does means spending day after day feeling almost on edge of 'O' - which is kind of naughty fun. But something has obviously been happening in my state of constant desire and arousal that has caused my POIS after 'O' to recede. I have no idea if my body chemistry is changed in my current state - but all I know is my world has changed in a way I could never have imagined. I know little more than this but if I can answer any specific questions I will try to give more detail.
 

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« Reply #19656 on: 20/08/2014 18:31:19 »
Final Panic,

I read your post some month ago and I was inspired by it ;  It was for me one of  many evidence that helps me consider the things under an other angle. Great that something in your life helped you with your POIS ; Happiness is a great remedy against anxiety. With a bit of training it's possible to turn our imagination into positive thinking instead of worrying ; Neuroplasicity is an amazing thing.
 

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« Reply #19657 on: 21/08/2014 14:31:02 »
LAPOISSE2
I generally agree with your theory. I developed anxiety symptoms 30 years ago and I think POIS soon followed (rather than vice-versa). I too have been improving with both my anxiety and POIS - if all feels miraculous. Also looking into Tantric practices helps me too. I am a creative and am also known for over-thinking everything also I can be ruthlessly analytical - this makes my anxiety worse - I just need to chill. But for this reason I cannot kid myself that any supplements work (I do take some to assist with the anxiety) I posted the below a few months ago - I feel this echoes where I am at still:

I have had POIS for many years - over 30 of them in fact. It has been very severe and debilitating. I am now 50, so have suffered terribly for most of my adult life. I have generally applied the theory that this is partly linked to general anxiety (I do suffer) with the 'O' pushing the body beyond acceptable limits leading to a melt-down. This is a theory supported in the UK by Dr Goldmeier at Jefferiss Wing, St Mary's Hospital in London. He has seen a few POIS sufferers and he has commented that they tended to exhibit some form of general anxiety.
My wife decided to divorce me (not because of POIS) at the start of the year. This by chance led to meeting an old girlfriend from my youth. It has been the most wonderful experience for me. I have been panicking about POIS and thinking it will end up wrecking everything. But it has all gone unexpectedly very well. I know this may sound dramatic - but after a few weeks I can safely say I am walking around feeling like a miracle has occurred, POIS is all but gone. I do get some symptoms on day 2, Day 1 is fine. But by day 3 I just have some very low level nausea and mild headache - but I only notice these if I really take the time to think about it. I take manganese, zinc and st johns wort - have done so for about 12 month plus now. They may be helping to a degree. I had been worried about being a bit too quick to 'O' in my new relationship so have gone into what I can only describe as a continual solo self-control regime (morning and night). I would stimulate myself to the point of 'O' but hold back and do a lot of relaxation work at the same time - deep breathing - focusing my mind - but never allowing an 'O' then carry on and repeat for as long as I could hold out but still no 'O'. Then cease. It does means spending day after day feeling almost on edge of 'O' - which is kind of naughty fun. But something has obviously been happening in my state of constant desire and arousal that has caused my POIS after 'O' to recede. I have no idea if my body chemistry is changed in my current state - but all I know is my world has changed in a way I could never have imagined. I know little more than this but if I can answer any specific questions I will try to give more detail.


LAPOISSE2 thumbs up for the awakening and realizing the seriousness of PTSD.
FinalPanic thanks for sharing.

Here are the basics everyone need to take into consideration: we have a condition we cannot talk to everyday people because of the fear of getting ridiculed or the thought of labelling us crazy and saying "it's all in your head". While most people sound like a tape recorder and do not realize the underlying mechanism of POIS there is still something to it.

Just because you have a clear head it doesn't mean that there aren't millions of thoughts running around in your subconscious mind. We have no one to talk to about our childhood/adult traumas because we tend to blame it on a condition that people like to ridicule and make fun of.
Therefore we just live in our past. I'm thankful for you guys for letting it "all out".
This might sound like the DMV episode from South Park but let's just team up and let all the traumas out since it will power us to confront the those who are truly responsible for the PTSD!
Edit: I decided to edit out everything regarding my teenage years. I thought it would help, but it has given me more anxiety. PTSD needs to be discussed with the person responsible for it, not with the rest of the world. Basically my mother caught me masturbating and made me feel guilty for it. We have never discussed it eversince. This is a perfect example of bad parenting. If you will have children one day and you will find them masturbating, please have them sit down and explain to them that it is normal and there's nothing to be ashamed of. They will outgrew the hormonal madness teenage years bring on. If you do not discuss this, they will become adult weirdos like myself with constant depression, anxiety and a perverted mind. I don't even have to guts to approach my mother and confront her of the past because it is a very embarassing topic and she is the last person I want to talk about masturbation. Have no idea how to approach this situation.

Thanks!
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« Reply #19658 on: 22/08/2014 17:51:21 »
I apologize to the board administrator poiscentra. Please unblock me.
 

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« Reply #19659 on: 22/08/2014 21:43:39 »
Hi everyone,

A couple of days ago I first learned about POIS. Never heard of it before. I knew I had a problem with orgasms for years but thought I was the only one on the planet suffering from this.
I'm 31 and have been a POIS sufferer for more than ten years. The older I get, the worse it seems to get. It takes me longer and longer to recharge after an orgasm. Besides POIS I have a porn addiction, so you can imagine how fun that has been.  :(

I'm tired of wasting my life away because of this. At the moment the only solution I have for this is to just minimize my orgasms to once every ten days to keep the damage to a minimum. It's very difficult not to orgasm frequently, but I rather suffer blue balls than POIS.

When I orgasm without porn I feel terrible for three days, and when I orgasm while watching porn it takes me a week at least to recover. The rare days when I don't suffer from POIS I feel great, I'm motivated, cheerful, funny, confident and sociable. When I'm suffering from POIS I'm the exact opposite, some symptoms I have are: brainfog, depression, negative, anxious, avoiding people, body tension, avoiding light, isolating, angry, no ambition, no energy, no confidence, stuttering etc.

The last three days I've been reading a lot of this very long thread. Learned a lot about POIS, which is great. Unfortunately I've also learned that there is no cure for this yet. There are many theories about the cause of POIS it seems, it's very interesting to read about it all.
There is still a lot I have to discover about POIS, it's only three days since I know about this. So thanks for all your posts.
While reading the posts in this thread I decided I could no longer just be a passive reader, I had to write something just so you guys know there are more people suffering from this.

This is a horrible illness and I hope a cure will be found.
 

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« Reply #19660 on: 23/08/2014 02:31:50 »
Final Panic - your description of you personality is the same as me. I have suffered form a general anxiousness most of my life. It is very much linked to pois. It was there a little before but in stressful situations only. When it ramped up is when I had pois at 16/17, though at the time I did not know what I had or could link it specifically to having an O. I was in constant pois, so for me having an O did not make me consciously more anxious because I was now going to get pois. The anxiousness just flared back up the next day. As you said having an O pushes the body past a certain limit. I could see meditation & hypnotism helping to reduce the level of anxiety but not breaking the link between having an O an getting increased anxiety. The O causes pois with ramped up anxiety being one of the symptoms and not a case of getting anxious over having an O and getting pois.

I found it hard to do meditation, as I always had constant thoughts. I tried hypnotism using CD + headphones and that helped a bit with my general health and well being. I had to do it morning + night and continuously every day. when I stopped after a while its effects wore off. I also tried herbs + supplements to reduce the anxiousness and this did help lessen pois and the anxiousness which was a big part, but it meant I was not mentally as sharp which I did not like.

That general anxiety for me made wanting sex an act of stress release. The times when I had increased libido but also when iI put on more weight was happy and calmer then sex was lusty and not because I was stressed. Much less pois then, but it was hard for me to maintain that. Just lucky health spells always in the colder months. I've tried the continual solo self-control regime and it did not really help lessen the pois imo. It was good in the fact that it meant I was holding off from having an O during the week though. Still I think there are some here (younger guys anyway) who would still find that too stimulating and get some pois symptoms. I wonder how much of your reduced pois is due to you being really happy (in love) with your new gf. Its really good you have hardly any symptoms for this new relationship.
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« Reply #19661 on: 23/08/2014 14:43:45 »
Hi friends, I am back. Started new theraphy from next week to find cure to POIS.  Will post on this soon
 

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« Reply #19662 on: 24/08/2014 07:49:48 »

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Hi friends, I am back. Started new theraphy from next week to find cure to POIS.  Will post on this soon



Welcome back, Nathan!

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« Reply #19663 on: 24/08/2014 07:56:21 »
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This is a horrible illness and I hope a cure will be found.


Excellent summation, Tired!
 

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« Reply #19664 on: 24/08/2014 10:04:03 »
Thanks Demo.
I've spent many hours reading as much as I can about POIS the last couple of days, especially about experiences of fellow POIS sufferers. I'm very motivated to fight this illness as much as I can. I've learned about a couple of supplements/vitamins to reduce the symptoms of POIS and I'm going to try a couple of them out, all in a safe way of course. If I find something that works for me I will write about it here.
 

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« Reply #19665 on: 25/08/2014 15:26:31 »
Excuse me if this question has been asked before, but I must know: Niacin helps some people with POIS, but do we have Niacin deficiency or is it just the flush that helps relieve alleviate some of the symptoms?
Someone I know (non-POIS sufferer) came back with lab tests from the doc. It showed severe niacin deficiency so I thought I would ask.
 

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« Reply #19666 on: 25/08/2014 23:50:33 »
I had a POIS relapse, and also other symptoms like chronic insomnia, etc.

It turns out that the opiates I took to manage the pain from tonsil removal on a 4 day period elevated my damn prolactin again. I should have known this would happen.

Newest blood test shows this: Prolactin......9.06 NG/mL range for males (<=10)

Inside the stupid range yet feeling like my world is collapsing anyway. I need to get dopamine agonist prescription, yet I am scared if 2 or 3 weeks of usage which is probably all I will ever need will cause withdrawal syndrome, there is no information about short term usage side effects regarding withdrawal that I am aware of and it drives me insane.

I also may need an excuse if my levels are not high enough for qualifying for hyperprolactemia treatment, could social anxiety be a valid excuse (This is something I actually have to some degree thanks to POIS mainly)  or any other mental condition?
 

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« Reply #19667 on: 26/08/2014 01:55:59 »
I had a POIS relapse, and also other symptoms like chronic insomnia, etc.

It turns out that the opiates I took to manage the pain from tonsil removal on a 4 day period elevated my damn prolactin again. I should have known this would happen.

Newest blood test shows this: Prolactin......9.06 NG/mL range for males (<=10)

Inside the stupid range yet feeling like my world is collapsing anyway. I need to get dopamine agonist prescription, yet I am scared if 2 or 3 weeks of usage which is probably all I will ever need will cause withdrawal syndrome, there is no information about short term usage side effects regarding withdrawal that I am aware of and it drives me insane.

I also may need an excuse if my levels are not high enough for qualifying for hyperprolactemia treatment, could social anxiety be a valid excuse (This is something I actually have to some degree thanks to POIS mainly)  or any other mental condition?

Questions to you: Have you ever been on antidepressants? Have you ever tried dopaminergic supplements (maca, B vitamins, certain amino acids)? How does your current diet look like? What other lab tests do you have?

People need to post lab tests because then we might pinpoint something crucial. I'm sure OP would not mind as it would support the research us non-medical, depressed beings do.
 

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« Reply #19668 on: 26/08/2014 08:44:58 »
Ok so I tried Niacin for the first time yesterday. After reading a lot about it I decided to test it out and see for myself. I bought the flush type 100mg. I had not eaten for four hours before taking it. Took the pill at 5:30 pm and felt nothing till 6pm so I decided to take another one. Within 5 minutes my body started to tingle and after 15  minutes my face was as red like a tomato. I don't know if this was the effect of the first or second pill but it was definitely working. At around 6:35 pm I had an orgasm. At first I didn't know if this was too soon since it was about 20 minutes after the flush really started but I could feel the flush going away and my face was still a bit red when I orgasmed. Next time I try to be a bit more patient and orgasm 45 minutes after the flush.

Anyways, immediately after the orgasm I noticed that I wasn't sleepy like I normal am after an orgasm. I just got up and cleaned myself. I didn't really feel a drop in energy as well like is normally the case.
So almost no difference before and after orgasm. One thing I did notice was that I was very tired very soon in the evening. Went to sleep at 9:30 pm already and slept for ten hours.

The flush was really strong so maybe that took a lot of energy from my body? I felt very energized the first two hours after taking the Niacine but then became tired.

Today I don't feel the symptoms as strong as I would without Niacine. It's hard to measure but I would say the symptoms reduced 60 to 70%. It's still early so I don't know what the rest of the day will bring, also day 2 is normally my worst day after an orgasm so we have to see how that goes. But until now I would describe my experience with Niacin as positive :)
 

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« Reply #19669 on: 26/08/2014 12:27:39 »
I suggest trying to understand why we have excess parasympathetic responses after orgasm???????? that lasts for a week? Trying to understand from the first principles.
 

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« Reply #19670 on: 27/08/2014 11:57:28 »
Hi Mer, I think you are right. I am a nurse (44) suffer from POIS sice 25 years (pain, brain fog ect...) and I searched much to find deeply the cause of the problem. I meet soon my urologue to treat DEFINITIVELY (I hope!) the problem. Here is what I think what is POIS: This would be (for me, I specify!), a microadenoma to the epididym. Microadenomas releases catecholamins (sometimes, not always) and when the O. occurs, the hormonal system that is informed of the O. doesn't recognise the presence of cathecolamines in the parasympatic chain and an allergy occurs (the oedema and pain) and systemics problems occurs also as dominos...
Concretely: I can feel the microadenoma that is a kyst of 3 mm with palpation at the left testicule. For me it is only one side but there is a risk that microadenomas are on both sides. An echoghrapy will confirm the diagnosis, and after I will take an appointement in surgery, the operation is of a small importance (I'm not there, but I so hope I'm not wrong). I will write soon to confirm the results.
 

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« Reply #19671 on: 28/08/2014 15:54:33 »
Been reading about the issue I'm dealing with on top of all this (which is teeth clenching while I sleep). It was induced by antipsychotic drugs. I just read a study how they treated people with this condition by supplementing with L-Dopa. One natural source of this chemical is Mucuna pruriens. How is your experience with this?

WARNING: Unnatural sources of L-Dopa can cause permanent heart damage. Always use google before you give yourself in to try a new supp/drug!

Edit: Some claim "Without green tea, Mucuna is more of an anti-prolactin agent (prolactin is what causes the feeling of a sexual hangover)." Be cautious with herbs! Although we might have elevated prolactin due to the reaction of POIS or whatever else. Problem is we still just theorize the possible causes and chemical reactions. If your prolactin is elevated temporarily by POIS, then during these times Mucuna could help alleviate these symptoms. Problem is if you tend to drop your prolactin below healthy human levels then over-stimulation occurs. In the end this is going to cause the heart problems. If you have used L-Dopa or Mucuna (w or w/o green tea) then please share your experience because this could be a remedy for those of us with depression, PTSD and anhedonia on top of POIS!
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #19672 on: 31/08/2014 06:46:22 »
I'm a newbie to this forum and was reading the older posts and decided to start reading the most recent ones.  I had read a paper/study that concluded that prolactin increase was the norm post orgasm and it occurred to me that perhaps many of us POISers may simply have a longer period during which prolactin is heightened in our systems. 

I have tried the flushing niacin, aspirin, antihistimine combinations with limited results.  If Mucuna is likely to drop prolactin levels, then it would be a good thing to try.  I wonder if taking it right before sexual activity and after would be of value.  Given any of the concerns you've expressed, perhaps starting with a low dose would be advisable.  Also, would Ashwaganda or Maca potentially have a prolactin inhibiting quality?   
 

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« Reply #19673 on: 31/08/2014 07:25:01 »
Poisers may have a sudden fall in dopamine after an orgasm...symptoms says.

Everyone gets a sudden decrease in dopamine thanks to the temporal increase in prolactin after ejaculation. When you really think about it, hyperprolactemia could in theory cause similar symptoms to POIS

Talking about prolactin, I managed to reduce it from 11.66 ng/mL to 4.03 ng/mL and I have experienced progress because  of this.I could say I am almost cured, there are still things I must do like updated thyroid bloodwork and see it that was fixed and some  insomnia  I get if I ejaculate at night which I can't explain yet, better than POIS but still...

fornication, that's great that your prolactin levels have dropped. It would be useful for you to share how you managed to do that. Thanks.
 

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« Reply #19674 on: 31/08/2014 07:43:30 »
Here's a short, but useful summary of some natural prolactin inhibitor supplements.  I'm sure that some of you have tried a variety of these.  I'm going to check some of them out.  I do have pyroluria, so my b6/zinc intake needs to increase. 

http://www.muscle-health-fitness.com/prolactin-inhibitor.html/ [nofollow]
 

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