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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #2000 on: 17/11/2008 15:53:53 »
I just wanted to update everyone on my status.  I have now finished my first bottle of Relora (90 tablets).  So with three a day that makes one month.  During that time I know I have not had noticable POIS symptoms.  I have had an orgasm at least 15 times that I can think of.  Could the placebo effect still be considered?

The Relora seems to be fine. I think the placebo effect is in the 15 orgasms.

;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #2001 on: 17/11/2008 16:54:40 »
B_Jim, I put less sugar in my coffee this morning :D
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #2002 on: 17/11/2008 21:06:24 »
And coffe is another eenemy for me  ;D

There is a coffee substitute called Teeccino, which my acupuncturist sells to help people kick the caffeine
habit. I've never been a coffee drinker (allergic to it), but this stuff tastes good. It does have some dates and
figs to sweeten it, but no dextrose sugars. It brews like coffee and comes in several flavors. Hazelnut is the
one I've used.  http://www.teeccino.com/
 

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« Reply #2003 on: 17/11/2008 21:50:49 »
I once ordered a sample pack of Teeccino... I didn't like it at all, it's nothing like coffee. I switched to decaf.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #2004 on: 17/11/2008 23:54:41 »
I have never had any POIS outside of orgasm. 

I just wanted to update everyone on my status.  I have now finished my first bottle of Relora (90 tablets).  So with three a day that makes one month.  During that time I know I have not had noticable POIS symptoms.  I have had an orgasm at least 15 times that I can think of.  Could the placebo effect still be considered?

Tarkington do you use relora during pois or out of it and did it make you feel sleepy. If it did, did the sedative aspect of it reduce after continuous use.  I have only used about five pills.
I haven't gotten a chance to use it for a long period without Pois kicking in.
 

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« Reply #2005 on: 18/11/2008 01:15:50 »
For those of you who wish to keep records of your trials and symptoms and wish to do so on the computer, I recommend "Alpha Journal". I have downloaded and sampled various software journals and I liked this one the best and today I purchased it. It allows you to easily flip through entries and automatically saves your work. It also has a 30 day trial period. If anyone knows of a better one let us know, but I'm liking this one.

http://www.alpharealms.com/journal/index.htm

 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #2006 on: 18/11/2008 02:45:51 »
For those of you who wish to keep records of your trials and symptoms and wish to do so on the computer, I recommend "Alpha Journal". I have downloaded and sampled various software journals and I liked this one the best and today I purchased it. It allows you to easily flip through entries and automatically saves your work. It also has a 30 day trial period. If anyone knows of a better one let us know, but I'm liking this one.
http://www.alpharealms.com/journal/index.htm

Thanks, John, it looks very good. Appreciate your posting it for everyone.

John, since you are the Very First Member of this forum, people here might be interested to know what changes you've seen and experienced here as we approach the 2nd Year anniversary of your post! (February 18, 2007)
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #2007 on: 18/11/2008 02:50:19 »
TEECCINO

I loved it. Till the novelty of drinking dates and figs wore off. Besides I could never stay away too long from that Caffeinated Hold on my life...sigh...  [:I]
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #2008 on: 18/11/2008 02:57:10 »
And coffe is another eenemy for me  ;D
Maybe sugar is not bad for you.  :)
I do not want to generalize my case for the entire board.

I was just being silly, B_Jim. But seriously, you did influence me to cut the sugar down a little bit at least. I do crash from it.
 

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« Reply #2009 on: 18/11/2008 03:07:08 »
John, since you are the Very First Member of this forum, people here might be interested to know what changes you've seen and experienced here as we approach the 2nd Year anniversary of your post! (February 18, 2007)

B_Jim, you are the 2nd Member of this forum, posting on June 6, 2007. It would be great to also hear your historical perspective as we approach the Two Year Mark!
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #2010 on: 18/11/2008 03:13:15 »
TEECCINO

I loved it. Till the novelty of drinking dates and figs wore off. Besides I could never stay away too long from that Caffeinated Hold on my life...sigh...  [:I]

I'm glad I can't drink coffee. It sounds like heroin, especially the way some coffee drinkers describe their devotion to it.
If something had a "Caffeinated Hold" on my life, I would be inclined to kick it's butt to the curb.  ;) :D
 

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« Reply #2011 on: 18/11/2008 05:13:27 »
Same here.

I road a rollercoaster last year and after the ride finished I felt POIS symptoms...weird.  It was like I was on a high during the ride (all thoughs sensations going fast upside-down) and after it was a low.



Go go fenugreek at the amusement park? :)

I think I had POIS symptoms after a roller coaster ride once, but then again my girlfriend was sitting on my lap :)
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #2012 on: 18/11/2008 05:30:14 »
Thanks John for the software. I'll try this.

Girlwind, it's a good thing you're posting about this coffee substitute: I took a similar product for three months every morning and I was incredibly more tired than usual! As soon as I stopped I started to feel better. It contains chicory :
http://www.botanical-online.com/medicinalsachicoriaangles.htm
Toxicity
This plant should not be used by those people who present tendency to produce kidney stones, since the root is rich in oxalates. In the same way, people who have low blood pressure or with tendency to suffer anemias should refrain from eating it. It musn't be used with gastroduodenal ulcers.

I don't know if it was because of chicory/BP but definitely this product was causing fatigue in my case.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #2013 on: 18/11/2008 10:32:53 »
Demografx, I am still as amazed that so many people found the site merely be searching for a solution. I'm sure new people will keep popping in...it must be daunting when someone finds the forum now, there is so much to read! I am grateful to everyone who has contributed.

I am personally much better off now than 2 years ago, due to my NEs being POIS free as of late.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #2014 on: 19/11/2008 00:15:44 »
I wish you success with the tests. I'm surprised they have accepted. You'll have plenty of time to recover before the holidays !

Martin, I am seeing the university endocrinologist as an individual patient (anyone can go). Not as part of any research study. But it might also be a good way to find out if there is a possibility for them to do POIS research eventually.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #2015 on: 19/11/2008 00:23:51 »
Demografx, I am still as amazed that so many people found the site merely be searching for a solution. I'm sure new people will keep popping in...it must be daunting when someone finds the forum now, there is so much to read! I am grateful to everyone who has contributed.

I am personally much better off now than 2 years ago, due to my NEs being POIS free as of late.

John, I'm much better off, too, than two years ago when you started off this forum. If it weren't for this forum, I might not have been aware enough to see the connection between Levitra and POIS. I might have just thought I was simply improving with age.

ps - I am amazed too at how many people find us. But then again, POIS can be a very desperate condition. Especially when most of the world has no clue what we're going through!

POIS can be a living hell.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #2016 on: 19/11/2008 00:29:16 »
Historical perspective for the last 2 years ?
When i joined the forum i was in moderate depression. I tried sport and daylight exposure without success. St John's Wort quickly removed my depression.
In May, a friend said to me he found a diet against POIS symptoms.
- I seriously start it in July and i have first results. For the first time i understand that diarrheas were caused by sugar and not "stress" .
- In August, I started to have less hypoglycemias.
- September , i start to eat only proteins after orgasm and my POIS symptoms start to decrease.

I think POIS may have multiple causes. If someone think his POIS is linked to adrenal glands, he should avoid caffeine and try to controle glycemia (reduce sugar and high GI food). I don't think it's effective to follow the adrenal fatigue's diet recommanded by naturopaths/nutritionists without removed these stressors in a first time. And i think modern medicine makes a major mistake by underestimating physical stressors as sugar or others one. All stressors are not psychological.

B_Jim, thank you for all your terrific contributions here. I hope coffee is not contributing heavily to my POIS. If it is, I guess I must accept it. Or else!

Because of your experience, I am paying much closer attention to protein vs. Carbohydrates.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #2017 on: 19/11/2008 00:41:52 »
I think I had POIS symptoms after a roller coaster ride once, but then again my girlfriend was sitting on my lap :)

Now this requires some serious science: take a roller coaster ride again with said female removed. If symptoms persist, try bumper cars or boat rides!
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #2018 on: 19/11/2008 00:51:45 »
Hi Counterpoints (or whoever else has access to the questionnaire form),

I just filled out the form at http://pois.olympe-network.com/.  However, I just noticed that I made some errors in doing so.  Is there a way for me to edit my responses?  Or, if I need to fill it out again, would someone be able to delete my first version for me afterwards?
Thanks!

Guthrie, how have you been feeling lately?
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #2019 on: 19/11/2008 01:40:17 »
Hey Demografx: I found this article on the Natural News website.
It has a long list of health experts commenting on caffeine's detrimental effects on the adrenals.   [xx(]
http://www.naturalnews.com/012352.html

The hidden dangers of caffeine: How coffee causes exhaustion, fatigue and addiction
"After prolonged "caffeinism," your body enters a state of adrenal exhaustion. Your caffeine consumption has simply
pushed your adrenal glands so much that they've burned out. Ralph T. Golan, ND, describes this unfortunate state in
his book, Herbal Defense: "Caffeine forces your glands to secrete when they don't have much left to give, and they
have to keep digging deeper and deeper, making you more and more tired over time. And over the years, it takes
more and more coffee to get the same result. Some people reach the point of drinking half a dozen or more cups of
coffee to get the same result and it's barely keeping them awake. That's severe adrenal depletion."

In other words, caffeine affects your body just like any drug. You start taking it slowly, but as your body develops a
tolerance to it, you need more and more to feel the same effects. Eventually, your body reaches a point where it can't
be without it; otherwise, you will start to experience withdrawal symptoms."

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #2020 on: 19/11/2008 07:25:17 »
I think I had POIS symptoms after a roller coaster ride once, but then again my girlfriend was sitting on my lap :)

Now this requires some serious science: take a roller coaster ride again with said female removed. If symptoms persist, try bumper cars or boat rides!

I was only kidding about that.  I really don't recall

SeriouslY though I did experience a similar stiffness and pain after taking a calicium supplement.  I am beginning to think that my symptoms might be caused by a lack of blood flow through capilaries( either a costriction or blockage).  Calcium through food in it's natural method delivery won't cause a problem but ingestion of bone meal or coral calcium suplements causes severe prolems
 Since others have found relief through Levitra which is used to treat ED and I have used an herbal mixture of Maca
(seems most effective) Yohimbe and Horney Goat Weed over the last 3 weeks that has been more successful than anything I have tried in the last 30 years.  When I
Also I mentioned alcohol earlier having a similar effect to POIS.  Alcohol causes constriction of blood vessels.
When I have had injuries having an orgasm will seem to slow  or halt the healing process or even worsen it.    
Perhaps what causes muscle stiffness in some by reducing the supply to muscles results in a reduced flow to the brain causing brain fog and dizziness in others?
Also some people experience this by acending too quickly in high altiudes.
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« Reply #2021 on: 19/11/2008 17:04:27 »
Girlwind, thanks for the dead-smiley and the million reasons caffeine's bad for you. You've heard your friends say it can have a heroin-intensity hold on people. I've given up a million times. But the Caffeine Monster sneaks into my bedroom at night and forces me to make a deal with the devil, so what can I do? I would replace it with good sex, but we all know where THAT leads <wink>.

I'm just not truly ready yet to quit, 3 physicians' pleas notwithstanding. But seriously, I do appreciate your concern.
 

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« Reply #2022 on: 19/11/2008 17:08:40 »
...I have used an herbal mixture of Maca (seems most effective) Yohimbe and Horney Goat Weed over the last 3 weeks that has been more successful than anything I have tried in the last 30 years...

Finally...thank you.

I hate to be a party pooper, but the following article talks about some serious risks and side effects of Maca and Yohimbe and advises to
see a medical professional
when taking them:

http://www.myfittribe.com/articles/20080716/maca-and-yohimbe.html

Also please see the following article's discussion on "Safety" re. Horny Goat Weed:

http://altmedicine.about.com/od/herbsupplementguide/a/HornyGoatWeed.htm

Since these plants work similarly to Levitra and other ED drugs, it's not surprising that they carry risk as well!

It seems that several of us here respond well to this group of agents and with more research - and caution - we might find some answers to POIS!

We have had one theory evolve from this: that these agents increase Nitrous Oxide, and that NO is somehow implicated in POIS. An intriguing part of their action as it relates to POIS is that they increase sexual desire and potency. Do they somehow "replace" what POIS "takes away"? Are Levitra and the agents discussed above only helpful to older men? Could there be a relationship to Fenugreek and Relora which affect Cortisol, which is implicated in sexual function?
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #2023 on: 19/11/2008 18:41:31 »
I just want to respond to to the Fenugreek comment some people made.

I went and bought some this week, and tried it this weekend. Took one friday night and one on saturday morning after 'some action' :P

I did feel much better than I usually do. Normally i feel very drained, with an almost headachy feel inside my head for a day or two after.. Very down generally. This time i did not have any strange feeling in my head, and did not feel as 'drained'. I wasnt bouncing off the walls, but I could tell that I was doing much much better than usual. By sunday, i felt 100% - so this stuff def helps - FOR ME. I bought Solgar (very expensive - but a top quality product) as most other brands are so hit and miss with this sort of thing.

Ill def keep experimenting with it. I believe a 'cure' is out there. I don't think im necessarily sick, just that I get depleted from whatever hormone or chemical after sex. Whether it be an adrenal or brain issue, I think I just need to find that one herb or supplement that's going to replenish me quicker than I can by myself.

Other supplements that have helped me out too is your typical flu medication (Vitamin C, synephedrine, asprin, antihistamine) those combo fizzys. They make me feel better, and I might take one every once in a while.



 

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« Reply #2024 on: 19/11/2008 18:42:54 »
Finally...thank you.

I hate to be a party pooper, but the following article talks about some serious risks and side effects of Maca and Yohimbe and advises to
see a medical professional
when taking them:

http://www.myfittribe.com/articles/20080716/maca-and-yohimbe.html

MACA IS NOT SO BAD, YOHIMBE MORE RISKY
Excerpts from the article Demografx posted

"Maca is a Peruvian plant with a history of consumption for warriors, livestock, and Peruvians. The reason maca is being
brought up in the same conversation as sex is that it has been shown to increase libido and semen quality. However, itís
important to note that a diet high in maca and low in iodine has been associated with high rates of goiter. In rats, it has
been shown to enlarge prostate glands. However, maca is consumed in many parts of the world as a dietary staple with
minimal risks.

Yohimbe, on the other hand, poses a far more serious risk. Itís promoted as a natural aphrodisiac and alternate option to
medications such as Viagra. Yohimbe relaxes and dilates blood vessels in the penis, allowing enhanced blood flow and
erection. While research has shown small benefits for men with erectile dysfunction of organic origins, the health risks
outweigh the advantages. Yohimbe has been linked to seizures, kidney failure, dizziness, nausea, insomnia, high blood
pressure, anxiety, and rapid heartbeat."


I have taken Maca on and off for a few years, and as long as I stay at or below the recommended dosage on the bottle,
it works well to help me recuperate energy after over-exertion. Also, there is some evidence that it can actually help women
balance their hormones when they get peri-menopausal. Interesting how they note that it's important that maca must be
kept in balance with getting enough IODINE in your diet. Don't I know that  one!
 

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