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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #2475 on: 24/12/2008 21:35:20 »
Girlwind---
Thanks you for your response a few days back--You mentioned Rhodiola and Holy Basil-
Can you tell me what time of day you take them. I've read quite a bit the last few weeks about these plants (including Valerian), and I was wondering if you can detect any improvement with them. Interestingly, my psychiatrist mentioned Valerian the last time I visited. My current operating theory is that if I can improve my overall well being (including my anxiety condition), POIS will be diminished even if just marginally. I remember for many years I was feeling quite well, and my POIS was tolerable, though measurably uncomfortable. I knew it was coming,I faced it well enough, and just waited a couple of days. About a year and a half ago, my whole being went into a tailspin,anxiety and POIS. I'm certain it was accumulated stress.
When I went to a Chinese Ph.D. in Biochemnistry (and acupuncturist) for treatment, she told me that in China the hormones are considered to be subject to psycho/emotional causes. I find it hard to accept this in its entirety, such as your
unfortunate encounter with lightning, but in many instances I think this is correct.


I have taken Rhodiola and Holy Basil during the day, after meals. The dose for the Rhodiola I took was only 2/day.
The Holy Basil I took up to 5 gel caps, 3X/day. I found each of them to be very effective initially, for lowering that
cortisol stress-buzz. But in time, they each lost their effectiveness, probably because my body got used to them.
I currently don't take them at all, and am hoping that in a year's time, they will possibly become effective again,
after I take a long break from them.

Valerian, UN-fortunately does not work for me. It causes me to become more hyper, rather than relaxed! This is
a bummer for sure, because valerian CAN BE a great sleep aid, if you don't have this sort of "paradoxical" reaction.

I totally agree with your conclusions about the improvement in one's overall well being causing a diminishment
of POIS symptoms. That has DEFINITELY been true for me. When my overall health is stronger and I am sleeping well
and feeling rested, my POIS symptoms are far less severe. Managing stress and staying balanced emotionally is
important, but that is much easier to do, when you feel strong and well rested!
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #2476 on: 24/12/2008 21:54:05 »
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If he suggests peanut butter and jelly sandwiches I'll try it

I already have...that's my usual lunch, sorry it doesn't work. Dirt I'm not sure about, perhaps it's high in minerals.  :D

I'm workin' on a theory... will be chatting in the new year.

Merry Christmas everyone!

« Last Edit: 27/12/2008 10:42:38 by John21 »
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #2477 on: 24/12/2008 22:08:41 »
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If he suggests peanut butter and jelly sandwiches I'll try it

I already have...that's my usual lunch, sorry it doesn't work! Dirt I'm not sure about, perhaps it's high in minerals.  :D

I'm workin' on a theory... will be chatting in the new year.

Merry Christmas everyone!

Happy Holidays, John!

For those of you who don't know, John is the VERY FIRST POSTER on this thread! February, 2007!

But, John! Now you're gonna keep us all in suspense about your new theory???? It's not fair!!!!!! ;D
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« Reply #2478 on: 24/12/2008 23:05:00 »
I have a bad back---M.D. says probably arthritis or whatever--Chiro says compressed disc, out of whack--Acupuncturist says blocked meridians--Massage Therapist says tight muscles--Psychiatrist says that area is focus of my stress etc. etc.--
I say physical overuse and injury is original cause made worse by anxiety/panic/POIS triggers etc.--How will I deal with it?? I have to reduce Anxiety and Panic and POIS-
For me ALL are related to my back--Sometimes Anxiety and POIS wander around a choose a new way to torment--None of these "specialists" talk to other "Specialists"--Our culture requires "specialists"--Our bodies and souls require more than that---THIS FORUM MAY PROVIDE THIS BRIDGE, however diplomacy and delicacy are very important---As an attorney (one of my professions), I think argumentation is not helpful. We need MORE great people like we already have--With MORE and more people sharing their stories, I am confident that MORE and more ideas will be tested, and eventually there will be
critical moments when many will be helped-----Synchronicity and Epiphany-----
HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO ALL-------I always always always always feel better after a good meal----
 

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« Reply #2479 on: 25/12/2008 00:23:43 »
I have a bad back---M.D. says probably arthritis or whatever--Chiro says compressed disc, out of whack--Acupuncturist says blocked meridians--Massage Therapist says tight muscles--Psychiatrist says that area is focus of my stress etc. etc.--
I say physical overuse and injury is original cause made worse by anxiety/panic/POIS triggers etc.--How will I deal with it?? I have to reduce Anxiety and Panic and POIS-
For me ALL are related to my back--Sometimes Anxiety and POIS wander around a choose a new way to torment--None of these "specialists" talk to other "Specialists"--Our culture requires "specialists"--Our bodies and souls require more than that---THIS FORUM MAY PROVIDE THIS BRIDGE, however diplomacy and delicacy are very important---As an attorney (one of my professions), I think argumentation is not helpful. We need MORE great people like we already have--With MORE and more people sharing their stories, I am confident that MORE and more ideas will be tested, and eventually there will be
critical moments when many will be helped-----Synchronicity and Epiphany-----
HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO ALL-------I always always always always feel better after a good meal----


Underwater, I have a back problem with conflicting specialist theories, so I think I can empathize with your plight.

I agree with your philosophy. I think an eclectic view of POIS will do great things for all the suffering. And that is not something that a typical medical research study can provide! The studies are too often funded by pharmaceuticals who have a vested interest in mass-marketing an existing treatment.

With the organization/research skills of people like B_Jim and Counterpoints here, perhaps we will be able to synthesize the amazing amount of information on this site and develop some protocols that are customized according to the needs of specific POIS sub-groups, e.g., mainly cognitive symptoms, primarily exhaustion-based, etc.
 

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« Reply #2480 on: 25/12/2008 01:28:56 »
Steve--
Underwater,
 
I was inspired by your setting the bar so high to "swim 80 minutes a day."

I just finished trying that and it was great.

Thanks for the simple, practical idea.

Steve D.

 

 

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« Reply #2481 on: 25/12/2008 02:50:40 »
Merry chrimas for all sufferers :) 2008 has been a great year for us : we made a good job and we have now real weapons to fight Pois for our all different states. Thanks to all for help.

Many thanks, B_Jim, you have contributed enormously here since your "founding" days...as the 2nd regular poster!

Merry Christmas!
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« Reply #2482 on: 25/12/2008 03:12:13 »
WORTH RE-VISITING: B_Jim's First Post (updated!)

More on POIS theories, here and elsewhere; links to POIS research; our experiments with Fenugreek and Relora; and more!
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg95285#msg95285
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #2483 on: 25/12/2008 03:35:17 »
CHASTITY/ABSTINENCE

Demografx,

On beginning to read previous entries in this thread I saw that you have experimented with chastity. What was your overall impression with using that as a technique?
Steve D.

Thanks, Steve. It doesn't work (for me).

As several others have noted, Steve, abstaining/chastity eventually creates a tension for many people that can be as bad as POIS! In my case it has also led to depression, loss of libido and ED.

On the positive side, if one can and wants to handle chastity...comfortably...then one is cured of POIS!

For me, the current comfort level is approximately 4-5 weeks of abstention at a time.

Steve, above I said that, "As several others have noted, Steve, abstaining/chastity eventually creates a tension for many people that can be as bad as POIS!"

An example of "several others" is below:
There  is also the risk of stress and depression due to lack of  sexual release. It seems you just can't win.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #2484 on: 25/12/2008 04:38:26 »
Demographx,


>>>>Steve, above I said that, "As several others have noted, Steve, abstaining/chastity eventually creates a tension for many people that can be as bad as POIS!"


I want to be respectful and careful around other people's feelings and beliefs as we co-participate in creating meaningful solutions for all POIS sufferers.
I am surprised and impressed with the array of tools that people are employing to fight this illness and want to learn new things that will be helpful to me, and to humbly offer my experience, if it is useful to anyone else. Around the topic of sexual abstinence, I have never found a topic so incendiary and so quick to inflame fear, hatred and shame, however unintentional, in other human beings, POIS sufferers or not. So, I want to tread lightly here.

Some of the terrible fears in discussing this topic are the enormous spiritual abuses so many people have suffered at the hands of spiritual/religious authorities. Just the word 'celibacy' can bring back horrific, clarion child abuse memories in people.

Even the words 'sexual abstinence' can enflame rage in a person who has had to fight for their right to choose what is sexually appropriate for them...So, I'd like to be ginger here.

Respectfully,


Steve D.



 

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« Reply #2485 on: 25/12/2008 04:40:56 »
Okay Demografx and girlwind pls lets not get into any arguments, we are only here to solve a problem.  We should not criticize each other on things that dose not help the cause, we need to keep this forum as friendly and focused as possible.  Both of you have followed different routes that produced great information.  we all cant follow the same route unless this forum would not have lasted as long.  
 

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« Reply #2486 on: 25/12/2008 04:46:21 »
I have been to doctor and got some blood work and according to him am a perfectly healthy guy.  I asked him about cortisol level and he said that my severe changes in cortisol level will affect my results so i should not worry about my cortisol level.   
I did this test in the heart of POIS.  It was not the worst pois ever but it was bad.
For TSH theories :  My TSH is 1.520  normal range .350  --- 5.5000/ my tsh seems pretty low to me.
 

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« Reply #2487 on: 25/12/2008 04:49:08 »
I have bought some fenugreek and will be posting on its effects in about two weeks.
I have decided to reduce use of relora since my cortisol level dose not seem to be affected and cortisol seems to be so important for the body's metabolism
 

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« Reply #2488 on: 25/12/2008 04:50:54 »
srry to be getting personal
For those who have relationships how did you deal with POIS when going after an interest.
again srry to get personal but i need tips.
 

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« Reply #2489 on: 25/12/2008 05:03:04 »
srry to be getting personal
For those who have relationships how did you deal with POIS when going after an interest.
again srry to get personal but i need tips.

At what stage? After you are in a relationship, or while you are trying to start a relationship?
 

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« Reply #2490 on: 25/12/2008 05:35:38 »
Merry Christmas everyone!

(I'm a 'Merry Christmas guy', not a 'happy holidays guy' so I had to represent for the Christmas crew.)

Peace :)
 

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« Reply #2491 on: 25/12/2008 05:40:25 »
>>>>>>
sorry to be getting personal
For those who have relationships how did you deal with POIS when going after an interest.
again sorry to get personal but i need tips.

I have known that I had these symptoms for many years , but have not had a name for them until 6 days ago. I am in a relationship and sexually what I do is, negotiate with my partner to have genital-non orgasmic sexuality interspersed with periods of no genital contact at all.

That, and I try to do romantic loving things for her to kind of make up for the additional stress it causes her to be in relationship with a POIS sufferer. For example, I remember reading that Nat King Cole sent his wife a yellow rose every day of their marriage. I don't do that, but I do buy, write and send her a greeting card every single day. She likes that.

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« Reply #2492 on: 25/12/2008 11:19:57 »
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But, John! Now you're gonna keep us all in suspense about your new theory???? It's not fair!!!!!!

Ok Demo, as you wish. But my theory isn't new, and peanut butter might even help. I am thinking thyroid.

A couple of weeks ago my double vision came back on me. Double vision can be a symptom of hyperthyroidism. I always thought that if I had this malady I would have more of the listed symptoms, but maybe not: http://www.ispub.com/ostia/index.php?xmlFilePath=journals/ijfp/vol4n2/diplopia.xml

I realized that at the time this returned I had been away from home and had changed my diet. And when I returned home I was trying new foods as well. Why would this matter? Because my typical evening meal was broccoli/cauliflower/carrot + potato + soybeans. Soy, broccoli and cauliflower are all goitrogenic. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goitrogen

And as it happens, my typical lunch includes a PB&J sandwich, and peanut butter is on the list as well. So, what I unknowingly had was a diet well tailored to reducing somewhat the effects of an overactive thyroid. Could this explain my recent success post NE (rather than or in addition to garlic)? Well I had an NE yesterday morning and I definitely felt I was affected, although I have a cold making it harder to distinguish. Last night I loaded up on my typical goitrogenic supper and today I seem better already. If I am right a couple of intense weeks of this diet and my eyes might get better.

I am going to try to get some blood work done and if I am able to I will abandon this diet for a duration beforehand to try to prove the point. TSH plus freeT4 and freeT3 seem to be the tests to ask for.

Girlwind, I believe you are hypo? Do you find that you are sensitive to such foods?


 

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« Reply #2493 on: 25/12/2008 15:56:30 »
Hi Martin---
You mention that the slightest stress can trigger a more intense POIS experience (during POIS), where before this "stress trigger" there may have been close to a zero POIS manifestation. I think this happens to me all the time; during anxiety episodes and POIS episodes. I'm reluctant to say that certain things may help, because when I think I'm on to something, later I find that I am not. It's hard to avoid "stress triggers" in life, but I think we can strengthen our immune/nervous system overall to combat our problems. Girlwind seems to be focusing on a holistic approach,and I think she's very prescient. Granted, orgasm has its own neurochemical chain reactions, but I can't help thinking it isolated from our overall homeostatis.
     I used to do marathons back in the late 1970's and I ran long distance up to 4 years ago, when I switched to long distance swimming. My endorphins would keep me calm up to 90% of the time. However, stressful periods (with POIS or without) would
send me into discomfort. It seemed that POIS fit nicely in this mix and always made- and makes- things much worse. POIS seems to pile on my condition to make things intolerable (when I have it). Right now I'm trying to seriously work on supplements to my diet and remaining hydrated. This forum has helped a lot in getting me focused on diet, especially Girlwind's comments. I guess we all hope that a solution could be natural. If I feel that I have come upon some successful combination of my supplements I will report. I certainly have avoided sugar, alcohol and caffein for a long time. If I were to have a chocolate moose and a tall glass of champaign I would die, literally. Is that WEIRD??????????

I was expecting to have more informations about foods to help to stay ok when running such a long time. Perhaps it's only a view from myself because I tend to notice improvements in my energy with nutrition, but maybe you don't need this. I was also a long distance runner for a while: first, to achieve this, I had to stay completely sexually abstinent (I believe that a good description of pois is "low endurance", mentally or physically).
For me a high carb diet (low GI only) (pastas, bread) was particularly helpful to run long distances, along with wheat germ, raw liver (this was helping with breathing and relaxation in the mind), oysters, kelp (fucus vesiculosis), magnesium. Also I was carefully monitoring to eat enough of all existing nutrients, which is not always a good thing because of NEs ... !
After exercise, high protein was helpful to recover.
Just an other point, do you swim a long time in a pool with chlorine ? I'd be concerned if it's the case.  Excessive chlorine may cause problems with thyroid.
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« Reply #2494 on: 25/12/2008 16:09:00 »
Merry Christmas everyone!

(I'm a 'Merry Christmas guy', not a 'happy holidays guy' so I had to represent for the Christmas crew.)

Peace :)
I'm not belonging to any crew except this forum ! I wish to all Merry Christmas.



 

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« Reply #2495 on: 25/12/2008 16:45:16 »
I was experimenting with raw organic veganism with emphasis on extremely large quantities of living foods. It worked remarkably well in the sense that my sexual desire was eliminated( just as Gandhi's work states that it will) However I discovered through blood work 10 days ago that I have become iron, Vitamin D and b-12 deficient . This has been doubly vexing in that the weakness associated with anemia can be confused with POIS symptoms.
For 11 months I was plagued with anemia, but the POIS symptoms were completely gone. When I began to see my partner again 8 months ago, and engage in non-orgasmic sexuality, the 'onslaught' commenced. Through thoughtful negotiation, very careful sexual boundaries and the willingness of my partner I have avoided the full torrential consequences of POIS....Whew!
Hi SteveD, but my post adress to other as well.
Everytime I eat a vegan diet I feel a peace in the mind, a better nervous system in some way difficult to describe, along with joy. But I'm not willing to do this for a long time however because this effect is not permanent.

When you eat only vegetables, phosphorus is decreasing and this give a chance to other nutrients necessary to metabolize phosphorus to increase
(I insist on the "only" because vegetables have not the same effect otherwise.)

Also because of the reduced amount of proteins, there is a raise in B6 which is necessary for amino acids metabolism.

By the way, note that phosphorus is necessary for ATP production and for parathyroid gland. (We talked about adrenals, thyroid, pancreas, sexual glands, pineal gland, but a missing one is parathyroid, associated with calcium regulation and maybe tremors)

I strongly suggest to keep this somewhere in our theories :
Guaiafesin is used to treat phosphates intoxication in the body and may help with ATP production : It is used to treat fibromyalgia.
We now postulate that a defective metabolism, possibly a kidney enzyme, forces retention of phosphate, which gradually accumulates to detrimental levels in many tissues. This excess induces inadequate energy formation (ATP), cellular fatigue and malfunctions that explain all the symptoms of fibromyalgia. Our paper for interested professionals defends that theory.

     We no longer prescribe gout drugs (uricosurics). We now use guaifenesin for fibromyalgia because it has no side effects and is even safe for children
Source : http://www.fibromyalgiatreatment.com/GuaiProtocol.htm
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« Reply #2496 on: 25/12/2008 18:21:20 »
Hi Martin---
Over the last ten years or so, I have a very balanced diet. Plenty of protein and carboydrates. I need to consume more fruit. I am about 5'11' and weight about 165 lbs. with 9% body fat. Very little fat, sugar (processed), alcohol (none) and caffeine (none)in diet.. I need to eat about 5 small meals a day, but I don't. I can't believe I haven't the discipline to do this. This will be my new year's resolution. (by the way, my last blood test was normal, sugar, thyroid etc.)
When I did marathons (years ago), I ate like a pig, but still very little sugar and caffeine; though tons of carbos.  When I slowed down in the 90's, that's when POIS started manifesting itself significantly. POIS seemed to have reignited by panic disorder from the 1970's--I always dealt with the underlying anxiety/panic first (and still do). This is because POIS was tolerable though very uncomfortable, and CONSTANT anxiety is NOT. Right at the moment, I am dealing with my anxiety condition as usual, but POIS is messing it up. However, I feel some progress with my GAD, and am now completely off meds. For me, orgasm, NE's and erotic dreams can cause problems. Sometimes I don't know if its POIS, POIS LIKE, Sexual Anxiety, Panic etc.etc. This is because symptoms are so similar. Over the years, POIS for me has been defined by the 2-4 day recovery time frame that is so clearly delineated. It's like an anxiety episode with a specific time frame. Regarding Chlorine, I'm very aware of the research and potential dangers. In fact, right now I am swimming every other day to see if there's effect. Sorry if this is a rambling,incoherent answer. I just sat down and peeked at the site. Also, I am adding to my myriad of supplements all the time. This I will list this weekend, as I don't remember every one, and I don't feel like going downstairs right now. HOWEVER, I am going to take Girlwind's advice and focus on strengthening my adrenal glands and overall nervous system. I'm going to buy Adrenal Support supplements tomorrow. I have this intuition that I'm missisng something real simple, and that I've failed to scrutinize my diet, with regard to supplements (because it's a lot easier than changing my acutual food diet). Certainly this forum is helping me focus, but I hope that some rancor that I'm sensing ceases. Each contributor has the potential for creating an epiphany for another member, and we must always add new members; This is so logical. 
 

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« Reply #2497 on: 25/12/2008 19:56:38 »
I want to be respectful and careful around other people's feelings and beliefs as we co-participate in creating meaningful solutions for all POIS sufferers.
I am surprised and impressed with the array of tools that people are employing to fight this illness and want to learn new things that will be helpful to me, and to humbly offer my experience, if it is useful to anyone else. Around the topic of sexual abstinence, I have never found a topic so incendiary and so quick to inflame fear, hatred and shame, however unintentional, in other human beings, POIS sufferers or not. So, I want to tread lightly here.

Some of the terrible fears in discussing this topic are the enormous spiritual abuses so many people have suffered at the hands of spiritual/religious authorities. Just the word 'celibacy' can bring back horrific, clarion child abuse memories in people.

Even the words 'sexual abstinence' can enflame rage in a person who has had to fight for their right to choose what is sexually appropriate for them...So, I'd like to be ginger here.
Respectfully,
Steve D.

Steve, if I may respectfully submit to you: just my opinion, but we have all suffered POIS too long and too agonizingly to be "ginger". Many of us take risks here just by posting publicly about POIS and some incredibly private, confidential details!

But what's worse, risking someone's rage or staying in the hellish pits of POIS? I vote for the latter being worse. Much worse.

But I do appreciate your sensitivity.
 

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« Reply #2498 on: 25/12/2008 20:02:38 »
Merry Christmas everyone!
(I'm a 'Merry Christmas guy', not a 'happy holidays guy' so I had to represent for the Christmas crew.)
Peace :)

I happen to be a Happy Hanukkah guy, but I wish all a "Merry Christmas" or "Happy Holidays" as well! :)
 

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« Reply #2499 on: 25/12/2008 20:10:13 »
Certainly this forum is helping me focus, but I hope that some rancor that I'm sensing ceases. Each contributor has the potential for creating an epiphany for another member, and we must always add new members; This is so logical. 

Underwater, I apologize for anything that I may have contributed recently to a less-than-harmonious environment. It has been extremely unusual for the forum since its inception. More than anything, I really do wish a very high esprit de corps here.
 

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