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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #3200 on: 29/01/2009 16:54:31 »
Hi Deloun,

Thanks for loading up your test results, very helpful!

How is your immune system ? Often get unwell?

How about leaky gut, digestive problems, bloat, stomach pain etc ?

I would recommend Primal Defense Probiotic Formula for friendly bacteria
for your very low friendly bacteria readings.

Wow ... your first test is really messed up!

The mercury Kwik tests and copper probably are the worst.

What has your doc recommended for excreting and chelating the elevated mercurys ??

I will relook over this more in depth later,

Michael




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« Reply #3201 on: 29/01/2009 17:23:09 »
Deloun,

Do you also have any tests for your neurotransmitters ?

With your diagnosis of Undermethylation, I bet you also have imbalances with your neurotransmitters.

Have you had your adrenals checked? Iam sure I read that Undermethylation can lead to adrenal fatigue.

Also that mercury causes undermethylation depletion of glutathione.Supplemening with high doses
of glutathione would make the undermethylation individual feel alot better.
Best to check with your doc on this.

Very informative read on Methylation status, mercury and many other related inc datas of which supplements
help :

http://jbnat.com/articles/methylation.pdf


 

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« Reply #3202 on: 29/01/2009 17:25:11 »
Hi Deloun,

Thanks for loading up your test results, very helpful!

Thank you for your comments.

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How is your immune system ? Often get unwell?

I believe it could be better but my immune system is not very weak I think.

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How about leaky gut, digestive problems, bloat, stomach pain etc ?

I'm not sure about the leaky gut, but I have had a permeability test for my colon and the results were normal so I think it is OK, regarding that.

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I would recommend Primal Defense Probiotic Formula for friendly bacteria
for your very low friendly bacteria readings.

Indeed, the amount of friendly bacteria in my colon is very low. I've already taken probiotics for a while after the test, but I might do some more and have a test again.

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Wow ... your first test is really messed up!

The mercury Kwik tests and copper probably are the worst.

What has your doc recommended for excreting and chelating the elevated mercurys ??

I will relook over this more in depth later,

Michael

To chelate I'm planning to try the Cuttler protocol with alpha lipoic acid and DMSA, both are known to be very effective mercury chelators. I have a book about this, which contains this protocol. I've posted earlier about this yesterday.
 

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« Reply #3203 on: 29/01/2009 17:27:52 »
[...]
I have bought a book about mercury amalgam fillings and chelation therapy called "Amalgam Illness" by "Andrew Hall Cutler" (2), which I can really recommend. He is a chemist who himself has been sick by amalgam fillings and he has cured himself. In his book he describes a chelation protocol where alpha lipoic acid and either DMSA or DMPS are being used. I plan to follow the chelation protocol with alpha lipoic acid and DMSA, since DMSA seems to be more effective then DMPS, according to scientific research that I've read online.

(1) http://europeanlaboratory.com
(2) http://www.noamalgam.com

Edit: replaced incorrect second link by correct one

I've quoted the part of my message yesterday regarding chelation.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #3204 on: 29/01/2009 17:42:03 »
Michael--I have a prescription for compounded cortisol 5mg. I'm trying to gage how long I should do that before
I begin the thyroid hormone...  I'm thinking at least a week. I don't want to get the side effects that seem to happen with
thyroid hormones, when you have weak adrenals, so I'm being very cautious.  What's your take on this?... I'm continuing
all my natural adrenal supplements as well.

Also when I took my cortisol yesterday, I suddenly became very relaxed and tired. Did you have that experience too? Is
that common? After a few hours it changed to kind of hyper, but initially it felt like a big slowing down.

Lastly, I take regular DHEA and it obviously isn't absorbing well. After 8 years of at least 25-50 mg per day, my
levels are still low range. Where do you get the sublingual DHEA and the cream? It sounds much more effective.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #3205 on: 29/01/2009 17:42:36 »
Deloun,

Do you also have any tests for your neurotransmitters ?

With your diagnosis of Undermethylation, I bet you also have imbalances with your neurotransmitters.

Yes, I have also requested tests for several neurotransmitters and some of them are indeed deficient, which can indeed be a consequence of poor methylation. The results show low serotonin and deficiencies of noradrenaline (norepinephrine) and adrenaline (epinephrine).

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Have you had your adrenals checked? Iam sure I read that Undermethylation can lead to adrenal fatigue.

I'm not sure, I've requested tests for quite a lot of things, I have to check this.

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Also that mercury causes undermethylation depletion of glutathione.Supplemening with high doses of glutathione would make the undermethylation individual feel alot better.
Best to check with your doc on this.

Indeed, in fact, the orthomolecular doctor already prescribed glutathione, but it is part of the many supplements she prescribed that I mentioned that I still have to take. And I'm thinking about taking the methionine as methylation donor in addition which I mentioned.

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Very informative read on Methylation status, mercury and many other related inc datas of which supplements
help :

http://jbnat.com/articles/methylation.pdf

Thanks a lot for your suggestions and that pdf certainly seems interesting, I'll definitely take a look at it.
 

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« Reply #3206 on: 29/01/2009 18:15:33 »
Yes, Deloun  posted something about  methylation p135. To be honnest it's not easy to understand . I will read more articles on this.

Michael, did you make the test days after ejaculation ?

If not, it means the hormones depletion is constant ant not just after orgasm. I remember you talked about inflammation and role of diet. I believe inflammation caused by junk food is another factor of hormonal unbalance. Not just repeated ejaculations, or psychological stress.
I will go to my lab next week to ask what tests they do. Saliva test especially for DHEA/cortisol if possible because i believe they are more reliable. My heavy metal test is negative (porphyrins).  

Hi B_Jim,

Yes most of the testing was done the morning after orgasm during POIS
I also did the tests when POIS was not present.

I found Borage Oil high strength 4-5 grams really helped
with inflammation as well as vit B supps and more fruit in
my diet.I agree with you the less junk food is most important
for helping with inflammation especially the day(s) after orgasm.


Dhea/Cortisolx4 saliva is perfect tests for your adrenals.

Are the tests from your own doc? If so it would be very helpful
if you could ask for full neurotransmitter and hormone tests.

 

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« Reply #3207 on: 29/01/2009 18:38:59 »
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #3208 on: 29/01/2009 18:48:16 »
Michael--I have a prescription for compounded cortisol 5mg. I'm trying to gage how long I should do that before
I begin the thyroid hormone...  I'm thinking at least a week. I don't want to get the side effects that seem to happen with
thyroid hormones, when you have weak adrenals, so I'm being very cautious.  What's your take on this?... I'm continuing
all my natural adrenal supplements as well.

Also when I took my cortisol yesterday, I suddenly became very relaxed and tired. Did you have that experience too? Is
that common? After a few hours it changed to kind of hyper, but initially it felt like a big slowing down.

Lastly, I take regular DHEA and it obviously isn't absorbing well. After 8 years of at least 25-50 mg per day, my
levels are still low range. Where do you get the sublingual DHEA and the cream? It sounds much more effective.

Hi Girlwind,

Once you have reached either 20mg-30mg of cortisol
in going up at 2.5mg of cortisol every 5 days, you can then
add some form of thyroid. Which Thyroid have you been prescribed?

Yes, being cautious is definetly
wise in this situation as you dont want to experience the thyroid dumps
which causes anxiety, overall nervousness and heart palpitations from
adding Thyroid med when you have not enough Cortisol in your
body to accept.

With isocort and hydrocortisone, yes I did feel many side effects
like bloat, heaviness, drained, slower physically and mentally.
It was clear to me that I was not suited to both iso and hydrocort
so I looked for an alternative and found a few people online
doing much better on Medrol. I felt much better on Medrol with
steady energy and a better ability to handle stress and no side effects.

I think I started on 30mg of Armour once I hit 6mg of Medrol but I increased
too quickly on the armour and experienced the thyroid dumps.

I then changed to a 1/2 grain every 3-4 weeks or so depending
on symptoms. If I was feeling Hypo again then I would increase.

I would recommmend you to increase by at the most 1/4 grain first since
you have had adrenal fatigue longer than I.

Sorry Girlwind, I have tried to search for my orders for dhea cream and dhea
sublingual but my email search engine is not working properly.


The 2 dheas I used were called dhea plus life flo cream and
Douglas Labs Dhea Sublingual 5mg 100 Tablets if that helps?

Now I only rub 1 dose of Dhea cream a day since my Dhea levels
gradually got better and rose abit above the upper range.

It is now sitting just under the top range which is ideal.


 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #3209 on: 29/01/2009 19:01:17 »
Girlwind,



I forgot to say that I would not recommend Dhea cream until your
Thyroid free t3 is in 1/4 of the top range.

I remember now Dr. Mariano posting that people with Thyroid problems
have thick skin and the gels and creams have a hard time getting though the skin.

Dhea sub should be absorbed fine via the back of the tongue.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #3210 on: 29/01/2009 20:05:14 »
Hey Michael--

I have heard some people think that you may have too many "easy answers." So I'd like for you to clarify, if this process
really was as EASY as you make it sound? Or was it a more of a challenge to get all the hormones balanced? And what
about other people that you know who have either POIS, CFS or other out-of-balance hormone conditions... how easy
was it for them to get back in balance? What were/are the main obstacles along the way? How did you/do you deal with
these?  What warnings would you give to people who begin the hormone balancing agenda? What expectations would
be reasonable to have? And are there any other forums you'd recommend to find more information on all this?

I've really appreciated the time you've given to this POIS forum over the last day. It's been VERY informative for me personally.
so, thanks
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #3211 on: 29/01/2009 21:41:05 »
Update: I tried Relora 2-4x/day (500-1000 mg/day), every day, for three weeks to a month.  I noticed mild post-orgasm anxiety improvement, but nothing else (other than feeling somewhat tired for the first few days).  Overall, I would say there was no significant effect in my case. I had several releases in that period, so it was "put to the test".  Also, I wasn't getting my cortisol levels checked in this period, so I can't confirm whether or not it had an effect on cortisol.

Note that I was also taking phosphatidylserine (~ 1000 mg/day) during this time. 

And I also tried ashwaganda.  I actually noticed more of an effect with it than with either relora or phosphatidylserine.  It certainly didn't cure me of POIS, or even come close.  But it helped me relax somewhat.

Finally, I have run two one-month experiments with beta blockers, at this point.  The first time, they did seem to help.  My POIS wasn't cured, but symptoms were lessened.  With nadolol (a general beta blocker), I noticed less sensitivity to sugary foods and caffeine (these can bring on POIS like symptoms for me).  Bisoprolol took several weeks to help, and it did seem to diminish symptoms somewhat.

The second time I tried bisoprolol, it wasn't as effective.  It's hard for me to say how much it helped or didn't help.  I think it helped a little, but it certainly isn't the answer for me, on it's own anyways.
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« Reply #3212 on: 29/01/2009 22:43:31 »
I did not intend to make my success in curing POIS come across easy since
It definetly was not easy.

There was alot of ups and downs since experiencing the first small signs
of POIS, hormone+neuro chemical imbalance and adrenal fatigue in my
late teens. At 21 during a trip to New York that is when I knew something
was seriously wrong.After an orgasm in the NY hotel the next morning
I woke up with flu+cold like symptoms along with headaches, brain fog,
inflammation all over the face, body and also felt exhausted for no reason
and could not go out that day to explore NY but had to sleep in extra
hours to recover somewhat in the NY hotel.

Why did I go from training twice a day in boxing and competing
in amateur matches and having great energy and drive for life as well
as very high libido to ....
someone who felt completely exhausted day and night, feeling dead after
every orgasm for up to 2 weeks at its worst, to having panic attacks
when the house phone rang or being too scared to answer the door.

I tried my local gp/drs and I asked each time for a new doc since
some thought it was all in my head,
one felt pity for me and asked me why I could be so stupid,
blamed it on multi vitamin and other supplements
and said if i stopped them for 6 months everything would go back as normal.

Finally one doc was good enough to refer me to an Urologist and then
later on an Endocrinologist. I got papped with Ibrobufen for the migraines
and was told to come back after 3 months.

I eventually got a few hormones checked but I had
printed out many pages of studies and data on what hormones
should be tested for and why.

The Docs spent 20secs to look at it and then put it down.

One said, there was no need to test Estradiol because it was a female
hormone.

I didnt know at that time so i just took his word for it.

After doing my own research I know that if E2 is slightly high
or low, it causes many problems with libibo as confirmed
by Dr Mariano. I believe I made a post a few months back on
this.

They didnt even bother to test Free/Bio test, Dht, Cortisol, Free T3 Thyroid
and many others and simply saying these hormones did not need to be
checked and that I was within range for SHBG, total Test, Dhea &  Prolactin.

So again, I took their words for it but after finding out , my SHBG was way too low,
total test was low, dhea was low and Prolactin was a few points from the top
of the range.I found out that high prolactin could be related to
tumors and pituitary damage and went to have furthur tests done for
prolactin while on POIS and they all came back 2-3x higher than the first test
through the doc when not in POIS.

Luckily no brain tumor or abnormalities were present.

I also had many experiences with Chinese herbal drs where they blamed
it on the false liver fire and that me being too Yang(heat) and not enough
Yin fluids(Cold) present and that was causing the inflammation and headaches.
Also that my adrenals were depleted and had to take their Adrenal
tonics to repair them.

I probably spent over 3 thousand pounds(5000usd roughly)on herbal
treatments. It did help but did no where near curing.

Since I had lost touch with my social life it meant I did not
see my friends anymore and that throughout this period I just stayed
in the house everyday unless I had to go out.

I had not one single
soul to talk to about this and even if I did that person would
not have a bloody clue and I would not want to put all this negative
energy towards them.

The above is a very short version and I usually prefer to keep the sentimental
side to myself but maybe people on this board can relate to this than to hormone chat.

Anyways my previous situation with POIS is not that bad compared
to others who have had it for 10,20 or 30 years.

I have a friend who I have never met who is nearly twice my age
(Although i'm sure he wouldnt like me saying that :)
who has had Chronic fatigue syndrome
for 12 plus years.

He could not climb a flight of stairs without suffering for the
rest of the day.

Now he is doing really well with Osteopathic
and other treatments.He has opened his own clinic
to treat other people with similar symptoms.

The folks on the Anabolic minds and mesomorphosis forums
had really helped me out alot even if they did not know.

Dr Mariano
also posts there and I use to take alot of my time to read his posts.

http://forum.mesomorphosis.com/members/marianco.html


I was the impatient type and wanted to be cured quickly
and often tried to do too much all at once.

I found out from good and bad experiences and from mistakes,
it is best to fully research and understand what is going on in your
body before even supplementing, especially if it is hormones.

Use the results from your own
data and research scientific studies and ask others who have
had the same problems and have improved their health.

Keep monitoring your levels and adjust accordlingly and also go by
symptoms as well.

The more tests you can get done the quicker you can find out what
is wrong and the quicker you can be treated which will enable
you to feel better sooner than later.

Your welcome Girlwind Iam just going from my experience.

Michael

P.S http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/community/
is a very informative forum dealing with Adrenal fatigue and
Hypothyroidism related problems.(It has been closed to post
but you can still read)
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #3213 on: 30/01/2009 01:49:14 »
ON tyrosine.  I tried once to eat lots of proteins especially chicken. I saw improvement but only in talking, i talked alot more but memory and cognitive skills were still lacking.
 

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« Reply #3214 on: 30/01/2009 01:52:47 »
After a week or so of doing that it became less effective
 

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« Reply #3215 on: 30/01/2009 06:04:42 »
Girlwind: Life Entension has sublingual DHEA 25mg. LEF.org or Life Extension.com.  They also have some blood testing.   
 

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« Reply #3216 on: 30/01/2009 10:01:27 »
I have checked it and the supplement that I've gotten prescribed isn't glutathione, but L-glutamine, which is a precursor to glutathione.
 

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« Reply #3217 on: 30/01/2009 10:10:18 »
ON tyrosine.  I tried once to eat lots of proteins especially chicken. I saw improvement but only in talking, i talked alot more but memory and cognitive skills were still lacking.

So you are taking tyrosine at the moment you mean, right? I have also ordered free form L-tyrosine of Source Naturals, a while back, but until now I have only tried to take a few tablets a few times and haven't tried it anymore yet. I believe it should at least be taken for a few days in a row and in sufficient dosages for it to be effective. It might help me, since it's known to be a precursor to dopamine, noradrenaline, adrenaline and thyroid hormones and tests showed deficiencies of noradrenaline, adrenaline and T3. I'm curious to know if it helps you.
 

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« Reply #3218 on: 30/01/2009 10:25:12 »
This is a question meant for all of you. What do you think of the idea that anyone who wants to, can upload his laboratory test results at the picasaweb space I posted earlier, after the person scanned them and removed all information on the tests that can identify him or her? And then to put each persons test results in a different album with the name of the album containing that persons forum nickname. To remove personal information that can identify you after you have scanned the test results, you can simply open the results in a drawing application like for example windows paint or gimp on linux and painting all the personal information white.

I personally believe it can be quite useful to have different laboratory test results available as reference of different people with POIS, what do you think?
 

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« Reply #3219 on: 30/01/2009 11:56:03 »
Alternatively, personal information on the test results can be covered with something before scanning to conceal it and with some scanners and scan applications you can select the scan area.
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« Reply #3220 on: 30/01/2009 16:04:35 »
ON tyrosine.  I tried once to eat lots of proteins especially chicken. I saw improvement but only in talking, i talked alot more but memory and cognitive skills were still lacking.

So you are taking tyrosine at the moment you mean, right? I have also ordered free form L-tyrosine of Source Naturals, a while back, but until now I have only tried to take a few tablets a few times and haven't tried it anymore yet. I believe it should at least be taken for a few days in a row and in sufficient dosages for it to be effective. It might help me, since it's known to be a precursor to dopamine, noradrenaline, adrenaline and thyroid hormones and tests showed deficiencies of noradrenaline, adrenaline and T3. I'm curious to know if it helps you.

I did not use tyrosine pills, i just ate alot of chicken and meat, it help at first but stoped being effective. and it only helped with talking.
 

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« Reply #3221 on: 30/01/2009 16:06:07 »
I did not intend to make my success in curing POIS come across easy since
It definetly was not easy.

I was the impatient type and wanted to be cured quickly
and often tried to do too much all at once.

I found out from good and bad experiences and from mistakes,
it is best to fully research and understand what is going on in your
body before even supplementing, especially if it is hormones.

Use the results from your own
data and research scientific studies and ask others who have
had the same problems and have improved their health.

Keep monitoring your levels and adjust accordlingly and also go by
symptoms as well.

The more tests you can get done the quicker you can find out what
is wrong and the quicker you can be treated which will enable
you to feel better sooner than later.

Your welcome Girlwind I am just going from my experience.

Michael

Thank you so much Michael, for your very intimate detailed account of your healing process. I am personally
very grateful for your time and generosity with the wealth of information you have presented. Because I am
just a newbie with the hormone balancing thing, I appreciate the accounts of one who is a "veteran" in this process.
I have lived with CFS and POIS for 30 years, (the CFS being at least a hundred times more devastating to my life and
functioning than POIS), so I can totally empathize with how hard it was for you during your collapse. But now
feel very hopeful knowing that there is something CONCRETE that I can do to change my body and energy for the
better. I also understand that it will not be an easy ride, but I'm much better prepared for it, due in part to all the
information that you have provided me with. 
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« Reply #3222 on: 30/01/2009 16:55:38 »
Girlwind: Life Entension has sublingual DHEA 25mg. LEF.org or Life Extension.com.  They also have some blood testing.  

Thank you! I will certainly check that out.
 

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« Reply #3223 on: 30/01/2009 17:09:41 »
I have checked it and the supplement that I've gotten prescribed isn't glutathione, but L-glutamine, which is a precursor to glutathione.

HEY DELOUN--

According to what I have read, N-A-C (n-acetyl cysteine) is a precursor to glutathione, which is A KEY COMPONENT in
liver detoxification.
It has worked WONDERS for me in helping remove some of the heavy metals in my body--arsenic and
uranium in particular.  I also took PCA-Rx for heavy metal detox., which has been very helpful as well.

Whereas L-glutamine, as I've used it, has had anti-inflammatory properties, particularly for the gut. I used to have
problems with leaky gut syndrome, due to candida issues, and L-glutamine was awesome in helping resolve that. I had to take
it religiously every morning and evening on an empty stomach (very important, or it will be digested as protein) for 6 months
to completely heal the leaky gut. I still take it now when I have gut aggravations. For me, it has been a very helpful and easy
supplement to take.
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« Reply #3224 on: 30/01/2009 19:10:37 »
Michael-
Re: Blood Brain Barrier Permeability, Oxygen and Age

I was wondering if you can tell me how long it took you to solve POIS, from your initial, devastating experiences until your successful conclusion recently? Also, I assume you were in great shape physically (boxing/training etc) when POIS started? But did you continue to exercise vigorously during your recovery period? What was your routine? Can you also tell me your age?

I'm asking these questions because I'm interested in how medications, supplements etc. affect different people differently if, for their efficacy, they need to pass the BBB. One of my theories is that if a person has good circulation and plenty of blood OXYGEN (the universal detoxifier), they may respond differently to medications.
Perhaps faster with a stronger impact? I don't know. This may (theoretically) be a result of our brains with billions of cells continually cleaning cellular waste and toxins; removing them. A young person in great shape with plenty of circulating oxygen may very well have an easier time with the BBB permeability issues. This may explain how your intake of GABA and 5HTP so "easily" found their receptors. Thus, my theory suggests that doses of different supplements (such as amino acids) may be totally different for different people or may never work at all.

For me, whatever I take goes right to my brain. For example, I just took 100 mg. of L Theanine the other day and it went right to my brain---the same power as a psychotropic. You obviously are strong and respond quickly to meds, and you can change things up quickly. I also am a life long athlete in very good shape, but I'm 60 yrs. old and I'm losing strength and power and endurance. This is a bummer. Right now for me, I have concluded that I will continue my experiments with supplements at MUCH lower doses (due to age). For me, I think this issue of Oxygen, Circulation and BBB is significant. I don't ever want to return to any modern, psychiatric medications. My psychiatrist was quite puzzled last year how taking 1 mg. of Valium a day worked so fast and effectively for 3 months, since it is NEVER given in such low doses, not even to babies). I assume it was ushered in right past all barriers.

Thanks Michael, your answer will help me in my experiments with swimming, breathing, posture, and how to take my supplements.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
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