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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #375 on: 16/03/2008 08:33:01 »
REACTION TO PLEASURE?

Many societies and religions teach a twisted warning about pleasure, so that pleasure can result in intense guilt. I was brought up in such a belief system through parochial schooling, with heavy doses of corporal punishment to enforce that notion.

I sometimes wonder if the pleasure of orgasm leading to guilt because of early conditioning can somehow "train" the body to create POIS?

I have thought about this too. I think its a possibility. I too was under the impression as a child that masturbation was bad. I wonder how one would go about testing the hypothesis that this could create POIS ?
I am pretty certain that there are people who suffer from POIS who were not exposed to early adverse sentiments though.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #376 on: 16/03/2008 20:51:10 »
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Many societies and religions teach a twisted warning about pleasure, so that pleasure can result in intense guilt. I was brought up in such a belief system through parochial schooling, with heavy doses of corporal punishment to enforce that notion.

Demografx,
I am curious, what was the belief system you were brought up in? Also, what punishment was inflicted and what was the stated reason for it?
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #377 on: 16/03/2008 21:02:52 »
I tried a 500mg Tyrosine last week after another NE, and I didn't have any POIS symptoms but I don't know if it was due to the Tyrosine for sure.  I definitely felt the effects of the Tyrosine, it made me feel rather rather mentally off (different than the horrible POIS)... perhaps I am unusually sensitive to it. I tried one 250mg Relora today, and it didn't seem to affect me at all. I will be curious it try 3 a day in the POIS state. If it helps me by increasing DHEA I would rather take it than a DHEA supplement.
 

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« Reply #378 on: 17/03/2008 00:38:25 »
I first tried DHEA and pregnenolone for POIS and depression about 5 years ago. I found that they both helped reduce symptoms but caused chest pains. So I stopped their use. I think both of these supplements are cardiotoxic.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #379 on: 17/03/2008 03:03:56 »
From John21:
"Demografx,
I am curious, what was the belief system you were brought up in? Also, what punishment was inflicted and what was the stated reason for it?"

John, the Roman Catholic school system in the 1950s, paddling rear ends or (less often) hands with a large shilally (large bat) for just about any "mistake" - it is very well known how the RC teachings - especially back then - try to instill fear of the "evil" of sex, that "sex is dirty."

It was difficult for me to post about this, but I feel that it needs to be explored. So I was glad to see the responses.
Thank you.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #380 on: 17/03/2008 09:29:48 »
I am younger than you are, I am not as familiar with abuses that have occured in the past... I am sorry to hear you had to live through this. The belief that fornication is wrong is definately an RC tenent.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #381 on: 17/03/2008 18:18:43 »
REACTION TO PLEASURE?

Many societies and religions teach a twisted warning about pleasure, so that pleasure can result in intense guilt. I was brought up in such a belief system through parochial schooling, with heavy doses of corporal punishment to enforce that notion.

I sometimes wonder if the pleasure of orgasm leading to guilt because of early conditioning can somehow "train" the body to create POIS?

I think your idea/theory has merit . Certainly, it has been shown that emotions can indeed have an effect on the body too and if such guilt is of such a degree........ then it doesn't seem that untoward.............. and that it could well have a psychosomatic response on the body. It could well be that in your case this may be true. Whether the theory bodes well with others situations will be very interesting to find out.

Does this mean that you do in fact feel and overwhelming intensity of guilt  after release ?
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #382 on: 17/03/2008 21:15:21 »
I am younger than you are, I am not as familiar with abuses that have occured in the past... I am sorry to hear you had to live through this. The belief that fornication is wrong is definately an RC tenent.
John, thank you for the sentiments. And for the confirmation.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #383 on: 17/03/2008 21:24:22 »
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Neil, thank you very much for writing.

No, I don't think I feel that way today after sex (but who knows what lurks in the unconscious mind?) My theory is that PERHAPS (I'm not totally convinced) my early conditioning - and some other people's - created intense post-orgasmic guilt in my early years.

I frankly don't remember it clearly but it is well known, as John21 affirms that one of the Church tenets is that "fornication is wrong", that RC teachings try to instill frightful guilt about sex in youngsters and so it's reasonable to think that I was affected.

My quasi-theory (call it a super-hunch ;D)goes on to hypothesize that the early frightful guilt set in motion some psychosomatic symptoms that, as an adult, now express themselves as POIS.

But this may all be secondary to the fact that, however POIS was set in motion for me and other people, the prime emphasis now should be on the cure.

Neil, thanks again for your thoughtful post.

It would be great to hear about this from others on the POIS Forum!
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #384 on: 17/03/2008 21:38:21 »
I first tried DHEA and pregnenolone for POIS and depression about 5 years ago. I found that they both helped reduce symptoms but caused chest pains. So I stopped their use. I think both of these supplements are cardiotoxic.
Bizzy, thank you for adding to my "warning" about DHEA. As everyone knows, I'm also concerned about my own "cure" of Levitra...concerned that others should be very careful in trying to replicate someone else's success.

Everyone has different body/brain chemistry. And different interactions with other medicines/supplements.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #385 on: 17/03/2008 22:25:56 »
FROM BIZZY March 16:
"I too was under the impression as a child that masturbation was bad. I wonder how one would go about testing the hypothesis that this could create POIS ?
I am pretty certain that there are people who suffer from POIS who were not exposed to early adverse sentiments though."

I haven't a clue either how to test the hypothesis. But I agree with you that there are POIS sufferers who were not exposed to early adverse sentiments. Heck, I'm not even sure my early adversity has anything to do with my POIS! Just an idea I'm throwing out there that's been sitting with me for a few decades ;D
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #386 on: 18/03/2008 13:31:15 »

Neil, thanks again for your thoughtful post.

It would be great to hear about this from others on the POIS Forum!

You're welcome.....thank YOU for your supportive, productive, informative and insightful posts.........this thread has become a fantastic resource and nerve center for people to come and discuss this condition/illness.

I hope all who visit here benefit from just being able to share.

 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #387 on: 18/03/2008 21:41:02 »
I donīt think in the guilt idea. My symtoms start inmediately PO and decrease after four days so so, always.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #388 on: 18/03/2008 23:56:51 »
I feel the same as solution. Due to the severity of the contition that I have experienced I do not believe that it could possibly be due to conditioning. In my early childhood I did not have any warnings about the dangers of sex, I wish I had. I was raised in a Protestant home and sex was not discussed, it was basically taboo.

I became Catholic a few years ago and I accept and love it's teachings, as I believe they come from God. It saddens me to hear of people in the Church that don't live up to it's primary value of love. Love doesn't force people to do anything, which parallels God's gift of free will. I believe in teaching children what we believe to be the truth: that God thinks we shouldn't fornicate, and allowing them to make their own decisions.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #389 on: 22/03/2008 19:40:47 »
I'm only guessing when I say that some, not all, people may have had early negative sexual conditioning (including taboos) that could have set POIS in motion. I could be dead wrong. But let's not rule it out.

As I mentioned earlier, I'm not sure that the conditioning started my POIS. Even with the old teachings that were harsh and brutal. And "taboos" are implicitly negative.

In any case, I agree that with adults, it is now a mostly or complete physical reaction.

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #390 on: 24/03/2008 10:26:08 »
I took one Relora before bed last night. I had a poor sleep but I'm hoping it was from drinking a wee bit of alcohol yesterday. Alcohol always affects my sleep severely but the amount I had was so little I didn't think it was going to affect me (It was the Eucharist at morning Mass). I am somewhat hopeful of Relora because I had a sexually explicit dream yet did not have an NE, which is quite amazing for me. I'm going to wait for my sleep to regulate back to "normal" and try it again.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #391 on: 24/03/2008 23:31:56 »
John,

I would maybe recommend taking the Relora a little while before bed and not right before.  I've been noticing generally that taking some stuff right before bed messes with my sleep more than helps it.  I found this with both Theanine and holy basil, both of which I like generally.  Like maybe an hour before.

I'm encouraged generally by Relora over many other herbal relaxing substances, and I've tried them all.  From a lot of my reading of how these things work, many of them rely on playing with either serotonin or dopamine levels and this is a slippery slope I believe to getting unbalanced mentally/emotionally/physically.  The reason is I think its hard to play with those levels and keep yourself in your right mind as these are very sensitive alterations in the brain chemistry.  Get a little out of balance and you get depressed, lose your sex drive, generally get out of whack. It's easy to throw things out, I find.
 
Relora on the other hand, seems to work specifically on reducing cortisol levels which is the chemical produced when the body gets stressed.   So its less likely to play around with your brain, which is a good thing.  And stress is most definitely a direct result of POIS for me.
I'm really speaking for myself here, as I am very sensitive to these various anti anxiety, calming products.  Some people seem to swear by them.

As for POIS effectiveness, I only got modest help my last time, but that may be because I had just started taking it, PLUS I was mixing it with a lot of other stuff. 
I have felt very good taking it the last few days, but its now been 11 days since my last orgasm.  I still wouldn't recommend taking it all the time.  I am just using it for times when I'm under extra stress.

I still don't think I've found the magic pill for POIS yet but I never give up.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #392 on: 27/03/2008 01:15:39 »
hk1979, and B_Jim, you sound like you've had some scientific training or studying. If I may ask, in what field?
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #393 on: 28/03/2008 06:23:54 »
First of all, wanna say that I'm extremely glad to find a supportive forum on this topic.
I've been trying to search for this for a while but couldn't find anything.
Guys, I read many of the posts and some of the symptoms are just outrageously unfair.
Why do we get this weird condition?
So annoying..
I don't think I saw someone with the exact condition as mine.

I'm 20 and have a very annoying condition.
After orgasm (sex or masturbation) I have diarrhea.
The first time was about 5 years ago when I was 15-16
Back then it happened very rarely.
It was like this,
for about 1 month of the year, it would happen maybe half of the time.
So I didn't give much thought and ignored it.
As time went by, it got worse and worse.
Every year, the rate and the period grew slowly.
Now I'm 20, and the rate is worse than ever.
Even last year, it was like half of the time for maybe 3-4 months a year.
Since this year, it's been like 80% of the time so far for almost 4 months..
I'm so sad guys..help me out
Diarrhea comes within 20-60 minutes, but most likely around 30 minutes.
When it comes, it comes in a form of hurricane.
It's just once and the next day after a day or a day and half, I poop normal.
if I have sex right after the diarrhea, the second time around I don't have diarrhea (nothing to come out I guess)

Some other symptoms that I experience (5-10% of the time) are weird noise in my ears, headache and dizziness.

Is there something I can do to make these symptoms go away?
Has anyone here had similar symptoms and got rid of them?

Thanks guys
 

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« Reply #394 on: 28/03/2008 16:47:56 »
Welcome, pdawg, sorry I don't have any silver bullet for you. We're all still struggling for answers. But I do have very mild symptoms that are similar to yours. Best wishes.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #395 on: 28/03/2008 17:21:40 »
wow.

just wow.

i can't even imagine what it must be like to have to refrain from sexual activity, and even avoid sexual stimuli in case of nocturnal emissions.

i hope things improve.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #396 on: 28/03/2008 17:39:52 »
Hi everyone, I followed this post for more than 6 months and finally decided to show up, generally I have a 10yrs experience of POIS, suffering from most of the symptoms you describe here.

I suppose its very difficult for newcomers (as well as people who just drop by from time to time, to check whether you know some sort of a cure for that syndrome) to follow the information supplied by members of that thread - profiles, medicines, protocols, diets, exercise routines and other backgrounds that could definitely help to identify some - maybe common - variables.

Thats why I founded a ning social network - where you can support this group in hopefully - more meaningful way.

Tell me what you think, and if you are interested we can create that network together to fight for our health. I am absolutely open to share administrators privileges with anyone interested.


the address of that forum/network is newbielink:http://nopoison.ning.com/ [nonactive]

I shall successively transfer content to that place adding more structure and meaning to it.

Hope to meet you there, feel free to comment it here or there.

Good night and good luck.

James






 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #397 on: 28/03/2008 17:42:55 »
Ah, and one more thing - english is not my first language, so forgive me my spelling or syntax mistakes ;)
 

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« Reply #398 on: 28/03/2008 19:07:46 »
Nopoison

I joined your network.

Welcome Pdawg,
I am amazed at how varied the symptoms are among everyone. 

Found out one thing that may help re DHEA.  Chromium picolinate.  My wife had a whole book on it and one thing it does is make DHEA naturally in the body.  It's very cheap too.  I've started taking it regularly, so we'll see.

Been feeling very dopey lately..don't know if its related to the Relora or the L-tyrosine I've been taking..or something else altogether.
 

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« Reply #399 on: 28/03/2008 20:14:27 »
Ah, and one more thing - english is not my first language, so forgive me my spelling or syntax mistakes ;)


Hi nopoison.

I do wish you well with your network.

Please forgive me if I have misunderstood your meaning of "I shall successively transfer content to that place adding more structure and meaning to it.".........but...it would be nice once you've copied and pasted all the info from here that perhaps some form of reciprocation in the way of a link back here would be nice..............maybe I misunderstood though, but I took that to mean that you'll transfer all the info from this site to yours....if I have got it wrong then I sincerely apologize |!

Good luck

neil

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