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Demo, weren't you going almost a year without any added testosterone, believing that Levitra was a 50-75% cure?
But if that [testosterone] were the (sole) cause of POIS, wouldn't about 5-10% of the planet complain of these symptoms?
Also, I think these tests should be done when you are feeling your worst. Then we don't have to hypothesize about what levels might be going to, when you are symptomatic.
I think testosterone could be extremely important in a lot of cases. But let's not jump to conclusions or generalize. There's also the question of 'adrenal fatigue' vs 'adrenal hyperactivity'. We aren't all in the same boat.
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TESTOSTERONEDemo's experiment proves ejaculation affects testosterone levels. Dispite general studies (ejaculation don't affect steroids levels). It's another form of Pois or Pos. I read a lot of Pois testimonies. Each time i see case talking about "mood change after ejaculation" , "not motivated after orgasm", I think they are close to Demo's case.
Quote from: Counterpoints on 04/04/2009 19:54:31Also, I think these tests should be done when you are feeling your worst. Then we don't have to hypothesize about what levels might be going to, when you are symptomatic.I disagree. In my case, out-of-POIS revealed a chronic deficiency, justifying 24/7 treatment. It's reasonable to assume that my testosterone would only be worse in-POIS.
If there is a chronic deficiency, it will likely be picked up during in-POIS testing or out-of-POIS testing.
Quote from: Counterpoints on 04/04/2009 22:52:21If there is a chronic deficiency, it will likely be picked up during in-POIS testing or out-of-POIS testing.I really don't see how a chronic deficiency can be picked up during in-POIS testing. If, for example, testosterone drops dramatically, but in-POIS only (only after orgasm), how would we know looking at the in-POIS results that this is just a momentary drop or a chronic one? I started out intending to do in-POIS testing, but my interest in moving more quickly is why I accidentally found the benefit of out-of-POIS testing. I'm glad I did. If my results in-POIS came back on testosterone, I don't see how the next step, treatment recommendation, could be made reliably and accurately.I think out-of-POIS testing is a more reasonable starting point. At least it worked out that way in my case.
If there's a problem, in-POIS testing is more likely to identify it than out of POIS testing. You may not know whether the problem is chronic, or not, but you know it exists. If there is a positive result, you follow up with repeat tests. On the other hand, a normal out-of-POIS test may make it more difficult to proceed with further testing: you may no longer feel urgency to repeat tests, and your physician may not either.Therefore, in this medical system, starting with an in-POIS test (with follow-up tests) appears more rational, in the balance of probabilities. If an in-POIS test is normal, I would still consider an out-of-POIS test though.
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Quote from: Counterpoints on 05/04/2009 02:52:53If there's a problem, in-POIS testing is more likely to identify it than out of POIS testing. You may not know whether the problem is chronic, or not, but you know it exists. If there is a positive result, you follow up with repeat tests. On the other hand, a normal out-of-POIS test may make it more difficult to proceed with further testing: you may no longer feel urgency to repeat tests, and your physician may not either.Therefore, in this medical system, starting with an in-POIS test (with follow-up tests) appears more rational, in the balance of probabilities. If an in-POIS test is normal, I would still consider an out-of-POIS test though.Good points, CP, but unfortunately follow-up testing, vs. immediate treatment seems to be the outcome of in-POIS testing. And I was very happy to minimize my number of required tests. Still, I had to repeat my out-of-POIS test to see if the treatment in fact increased testosterone.Maybe I was lucky, because I was able to go right into treatment mode (after MRI ruled out tumors). And since testosterone is my POIS culprit (the treatment worked), I don't have to worry about finding any other POIS culprit with added in-POIS testing.But you're right that generally, in-POIS testing does seem to be the better starting point, because others may not be so lucky with problem detection. And because of the likely reluctance to re-test after a normal out-of-POIS test, as you point out. I wish there were a way to accommodate the best of both worlds without repeat testing!I have a question: why would you recommend an out-of-POIS test if in-POIS testing results are normal?